Kiss it goodbye....

[fishpoopoo]

what if you fish multiple states?

in one season I fished NH, MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ (okay it was a party boat), DE, MD, VA, and NC.

not that would happen every year, but you can imagine the non-resident license fees piling up!

[Grampy]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Last frontier Mike ... The foot is in the door ... Its not the money . Its the End of the World as we know it .. I hope the "fee" stops global warming .. I personaly don't care .. was quitting fishing and joining a bowling team anyway .. cool shirts ..

M.M.M.M.M , Let's see, would the team be called "The Ditch Trolls Bowling League"?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Mike P

How many of you guys would buy a Beachmaster on eBay for $50?

Bet the license will cost less, and it'll last longer than the first bluefish that swims along.

Listening to you people complain about a lousy fee that'll run less than the cost of an inflated plug is almost comical.

I don't like it any more than you do, but it's inevitable. Big Brother calls the shots. The days when states could thumb their nose at Washington are over, and have been for 40 years. You either toe the line or lose billions in funding (remember how DC shoved the .08 OUI limit down the throat of every state, and the 55 mph speed limit back in the 70s). Suck it up. What most of you spend on fishing in a year could buy licenses for a whole Boy Scout troop.

Very well said

-spence

[BW from AZ]

Rates range from $30.00-$90.00 for non-residents depending on the State...

SUCKS big time. I have a Arizona fishing license and because i don't live next to the ocean and fish ONE week a year i pay more to do so? I don't believe in "nonresident" fees. I AM A CITIZEN AND RESIDENT OF THE USA. Just another "TAX" to line their coffers with. If any of it gets back to the fisheries after management / enforcement costs it wont be enough to do squat. What I pay in travel costs is bad enough. This doesn't sit well with me.
ps where does it cost more to check which state you live in to implement a data gathering?

[Slipknot]

IMO if the gov. needs us to have a saltwater lic. , then it should be valid in all states just like a drivers license .

If they just need my name and phone number, then a simple stamp is all it should cost me.

[fishpoopoo]

the upshot of a recreational saltwater license is that we will be able to be identified and quantified as a political group.

by state.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by fishpoopoo

the upshot of a recreational saltwater license is that we will be able to be identified and quantified as a political group.

by state.

and i am not particularly in favor of it...myself
===========================================
but when an EPO is called because you spot some people
filling buckets with undersized schoolies
their license (if they even have one )can be YANKED
and the fines should be increased....dramatically
not to mention their cars taken as well as all their gear

[BasicPatrick]

Ok, Here are some facts and opinions of the situation...

Fact...When the Magnuson Stevens Fisheries Reform Act was re-authorized by congress in '07 there was a great deal of discussion and even congressional hearings around the horrible data on all things related to Recreational Fishing. Included in the bill was a clause that requires all coastal states to have a "registry" of recreational anglers by 2009. The Feds will institute a "registry" for any state that does not do so on thier own.

Fact...The wording in the bill is not well written because politics is politics but "something" must be done to comply by 2009.

Fact...This afternoon "Monday 1/28 I spoke with a "senior official" with /MA DMF and there is currently no proposal on the table.

Opinion...The EPO referred to in the beginning of this thread was probably stating what has been running around for rumor and inuendo for over a year.

Fact...All East Coast States currently either have a Recreational Salt Water Liscense or a Bill filed to create one, except MA & Rhode Island.

Fact...All New England Coastal States have been meeting on this issue.

Opinon or Confirmed Unofficial Information...From all info I have gathered, the feeling amongst the New England States except Maine is that Salt Water Licenses should/will be reciprocal.

Fact...Besides Florida, Salt Water Anglers in States with a License are NOT RECEIVING THE POLITICAL BENEFITS/ATTENTION/CLOUT THAT SOME ARGUE WILL COME WHEN A STATE GETS A LICENSE. In a few States the license is still too new to tell.

that is all for now...

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

Ok, Here are some facts and opinions of the situation...

Fact...When the Magnuson Stevens Fisheries Reform Act was re-authorized by congress in '07 there was a great deal of discussion and even congressional hearings around the horrible data on all things related to Recreational Fishing. Included in the bill was a clause that requires all coastal states to have a "registry" of recreational anglers by 2009. The Feds will institute a "registry" for any state that does not do so on thier own.

Fact...The wording in the bill is not well written because politics is politics but "something" must be done to comply by 2009.

Fact...This afternoon "Monday 1/28 I spoke with a "senior official" with /MA DMF and there is currently no proposal on the table.

Opinion...The EPO referred to in the beginning of this thread was probably stating what has been running around for rumor and inuendo for over a year.

Fact...All East Coast States currently either have a Recreational Salt Water Liscense or a Bill filed to create one, except MA & Rhode Island.

Fact...All New England Coastal States have been meeting on this issue.

Opinon or Confirmed Unofficial Information...From all info I have gathered, the feeling amongst the New England States except Maine is that Salt Water Licenses should/will be reciprocal.

Fact...Besides Florida, Salt Water Anglers in States with a License are NOT RECEIVING THE POLITICAL BENEFITS/ATTENTION/CLOUT THAT SOME ARGUE WILL COME WHEN A STATE GETS A LICENSE. In a few States the license is still too new to tell.

that is all for now...

Well we will see this guy is higher up than most. Justb remember this post come January 2009.

[wheresmy50]

IMHO, there is NOOOOOO way there will be one federal license for multiple states. You think the southern states are going to give up the money they already get from state licenses? Forget that, you think the northeast states are going to pass up on all that money into the general fund?

It would suck for the shops (and the fishermen), but if fishermen really wanted to protest this, they'd get together and stay home for a year. The states would have to take notice.

I like your idea Bedford, but we have no leverage to demand anything. You have to be in a position of some kind of power to negotiate, and we aren't short of doing something extreme and unpleasant. Write your congressman all you want, but there's money involved here.

[flatts1]

Basic Patrick wrote:

Fact...Besides Florida, Salt Water Anglers in States with a License are NOT RECEIVING THE POLITICAL BENEFITS/ATTENTION/CLOUT THAT SOME ARGUE WILL COME WHEN A STATE GETS A LICENSE.

Licensing recreational anglers will give us about as much clout with fishery management, as licensed drivers have with auto insurance management.

Licensing changes nothing in that regard.

[BasicPatrick]

Holy Sheet Batman....Mike....did we just agree....Oh my GOd Armegheddon must be at hand

Originally Posted by flatts1

Licensing recreational anglers will give us about as much clout with fishery management, as licensed drivers have with auto insurance management.

Licensing changes nothing in that regard.

[flatts1]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

Holy Sheet Batman....Mike....did we just agree....Oh my GOd Armegheddon must be at hand

Yup!

I think you and I often agree on the "what", where we often disagree is on the "how".

[Hooper]

Just found out too that I have to obtain a $135 Transportation Workers Identification Card, TWIC, (or something like that) because I hold a captains license and run charters in the summer.

Guess they want to make sure terrorists are not going undercover as charterboat captains, while they plot the demise of the US.....

A Tax by any other name is still the same

[Backbeach Jake]

I keep going back and forth on this issue,
today I'm anti.
I can think of no instance where paying the government for permission to do something has gotten me more permission. Quite the contrary. Oversand Permits are my glaring example. The more we've paid over the years, the less access we've gotten. Before Race Point had permits we had total access 365 days a year. Dunes,shore and trails. Now what do we have? 4/15-11/15 minus part of June, all of July, and part of August. For 150 bucks. A license or a permit is used soley to raise the funds to deny you access to what you have already. Without the fees from permits, the government doesn't have the funds to remove the users. In short, by paying, we fund our own demise as sportsmen.
When the government does something for your own good, you can bet the farm that it ain't going to be good.

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

I keep going back and forth on this issue,
today I'm anti.
I can think of no instance where paying the government for permission to do something has gotten me more permission. Quite the contrary. Oversand Permits are my glaring example. The more we've paid over the years, the less access we've gotten. Before Race Point had permits we had total access 365 days a year. Dunes,shore and trails. Now what do we have? 4/15-11/15 minus part of June, all of July, and part of August. For 150 bucks. A license or a permit is used soley to raise the funds to deny you access to what you have already. Without the fees from permits, the government doesn't have the funds to remove the users. In short, by paying, we fund our own demise as sportsmen.
When the government does something for your own good, you can bet the farm that it ain't going to be good.

This has got to be the best thing I have read in a long time
Fred you hit the nail square on the head

Sad but true

[Raider Ronnie]

[QUOTE=Hooper;560145]Just found out too that I have to obtain a $135 Transportation Workers Identification Card, TWIC, (or something like that) because I hold a captains license and run charters in the summer.

Hooper,
You got some more info on that and where you found out?

[Raven]

your not running a ferry service from shore to shore....

what's next.... a plug license ??

because your transporting plugs
across the water back and forth

and they may have been built by
terrorist plug builder's

come to think of it
there are some nefarious lookin plug guys
on this site.... hmmmm

i better call the homeland security office...
just in case...

[macojoe]

as a few said, "Can't beat them join them"

Yep so with everything the gov says we should just lay down and take it in the A**

And that is just why we are getting all these rules!!

Everyone complains but no one does anything about it!

I use to go to all the meetings and you know how many people be there for rec. fishing??
A handful thats it!! we have 1 million fisherman and 25 show at a meeting?

And thats why we will be taxed to do something we love!! And this is the beginning!!
Because if you don't get up and fight now, you will contunie to get taxed more, less access, less fish, ect ect...
There are more complaining here on this board, then what show up at meetings!!

We ALL need to take a stand!!! ALL!! Don't leave it to the few!
If you just showed up at the meetings and not said anything would be better then doing nothing!!

[striperman36]

So how do we organize to make sure the funds are directed in each state to the fishers and the fisheries?
FL has done a phenomenal job. The whole process of getting out and back in Sebastian Inlet is a breeze. I even have filet stations and wash downs hoses right there.

[MakoMike]

I'm starting to hear rumors that the states are talking to each other about this and, with big push from the feds, they are talking about making all of the licenses reciprocal for all of the states. Keep you fingers crossed!

[riverrat55]

Alot of States already have fees(license) for saltwater fishing!!!
$15 to $20 would be ok to me!!!
Money could be used to repair jetties along the coast!!!
Look at Plum Island and the mouth of the Merrimac River!!!

[Backbeach Jake]

Here's a tidbit for you: Wanna know how the State F&W spends your inflated freshy license money? The change their pickup colors by a shade of green. That's right, the factory hunter green wasn't close enough so they get a complete repaint. Base coat /Clear coat.
This is a stone fact, I painted them myself. I expect them to be no more frugal with my salty license money. The number of trucks that I painted could have been equiptment, or officers, instead it was a shade of green.

[snake slinger]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Here's a tidbit for you: Wanna know how the State F&W spends your inflated freshy license money? The change their pickup colors by a shade of green. That's right, the factory hunter green wasn't close enough so they get a complete repaint. Base coat /Clear coat.
This is a stone fact, I painted them myself. I expect them to be no more frugal with my salty license money. The number of trucks that I painted could have been equiptment, or officers, instead it was a shade of green.

thats totaly retarded

[Nebe]

MPA's will be next. If you ask me though, and i know this will piss everyone off, MPA's are the only way to fix so many of our overfishing problems without favoring on euser group over another... the way the current system works of managing one link in a giant food chain is a joke.. They protect the dogfish which eats everything in site and then cant figure out why some stocks struggle to rebound.. close it all and let it fix its self. Its kind of like when 2 kids cant agree to share a toy. you simply take away the toy.

slightly off topic, but its coming.

[tattoobob]

Nebe what are MPA's?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Marine Protected Areas:
Generally closed to anything other than passive (swimming, bird/whale watching etc) activities. No fishing (Rec or Comm.) no hunting, etc...

[Pete F.]

This is the response from my representative to my concerns regarding saltwater fishing licenses. It seems quite different from the talk on the street. I guess I don't have to sell my stuff for a few years.

"Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about saltwater fishing licenses under the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Reauthorization Act of 2006. I appreciate your feedback on this issue.



The Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Reauthorization Act was passed in 2006 by the previous Congress and signed into law by President Bush on January 12, 2007. It seeks to curb overfishing through annual catch limits and other improved accountability measures. It also establishes a "federal angler registry," essentially creating a national license for saltwater fishing that will take effect in January of 2009. The legislation prohibits charging anglers a fee for such a license until 2011. I will certainly keep your thoughts in mind regarding the affordability of such permits after 2011 and will carefully consider any actions Congress can take to ensure Vermonters' access to saltwater fishing."