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Old 08-21-2008, 01:27 PM   #1
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and when you find opportunity, you outsource it to china for a hefty profit and say screw you to any civic duty of possible employment of you fellow citizens who in the end, would be buying your product IF they can afford it.
Nebe! You finally got it! You didnt mention the government! So you, me or anyone else that cares can CHOOSE not to buy there products!


Oh by the way, here is the latest Obama ad - he sure is going out of his way not to be negative!


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Old 08-21-2008, 01:39 PM   #2
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I find nothing negative about that add....

the goverment is not stopping me from choosing anything Jim... it never has. But what it used to do was protect its citizens by doing its best to have a strong well balanced economy and budget. It did this by trade tariffs, tax insentives for domestic growth, and most importantly, it did this by promoting the idea that patriotism was all about buying American made products instead that notion has been turned into killing muslims... hmmmm
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see, you make sense then get wacky. No one is promoting killing muslims.

I can be blamed for some of that, I have not and dont ever foresee buying an American car. I love Toyotas and Hondas and dont see the quality in US cars.
the manufacturing in this country is a major issue, but its been goign on for 40 years. We blossomed post WW2, when all other manufacturing countries were destryoed but as they started to rebuild, we have been goign downhill.

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maybe capitalism is flawed.
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We blew up Japan and Germany, then paid to re-build them. When they were done, they had all new factories and a competitive advantage......
But what really gave Japan an edge was when they drafted their post-war constitution with virtually no military provision. No military, no military budget - thier tax money gets used for productive rather than destructive purposes.
Our federal budget consists of 42% to defense so we can be the world's SWAT team.

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And what is it exactly that we are defending? Our nation was founded on the principles of our goverment serving OUR people. It seems to me that our military is used to protect financial interests these days.. I grow more and more skeptical every day of the way this whole show is run..

anyone got some cool-aid?
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We blew up Japan and Germany, then paid to re-build them. When they were done, they had all new factories and a competitive advantage......
But what really gave Japan an edge was when they drafted their post-war constitution with virtually no military provision. No military, no military budget - thier tax money gets used for productive rather than destructive purposes.
Our federal budget consists of 42% to defense so we can be the world's SWAT team.
Not only that, we sent Japan our leading thinkers in processing. Japan used these processes to build their manufacturing. The concepts of Six Sigma and straight through processing were introduced and mastered by the Japanese.

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So why did we do this?? Why has our country consistantly givin itself away?? Corruption?? Payofffs?? I doubt it is based on good will.
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So why did we do this?? Why has our country consistantly givin itself away?? Corruption?? Payofffs?? I doubt it is based on good will.
post WWII - i think it was goodwill and I think it paid off. Noone wanted to repeat the post WW1 disaster with Wilson's 14 points, so the US set out to rebuild. You have to remember that many people realized that WWII defeated Hitler, but made another enemy - Russia, much stronger. We needed all the allies we could get. Japan and Germany remain strong allies and trading partners and that can be atrributed to our treatment of them after the war.

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Ford Focus isnt bad. And those baby chevrolets are pretty durable. Most durable car I've ever known was my 98 black Chevrolet blazer. Tinted windows, leather seats, sun roof, power everything. I had a lot of fun in college with that car.
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The increased prosperity of one country does not necessarily mean another must have lost wealth. Economies are not finite - the pie we are cutting from can be enlarged.
A car can be built anywhere, but the financing is usually domestic. There's quite a bit of money in lending money so someone can buy the car made in Korea - sometimes there is more profit in the financing than in the production.

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sometimes there is more profit in the financing than in the production.
Yes. especially when the customer financing the car is broke, has lost his telecominications job to some indian and has bad credit...


man I am cynical today.. I apologize.
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carefull.. that's my department... ..

hard NOT to be cynical, in today's world.....
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I guarantee you half of the focus is put together from asian parts...
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...but enough with the nostalgia, most American car factories are in Ontario now. They just moved accross the Detroit River. Cheaper labor cost (company does not have to foot the bill on healthcare premiums, government healthcare is attractive to American car manufacturers).
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and sadly, your right about the asian car parts
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See. More lost jobs in the US.. And McCain says everything is fine??
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See. More lost jobs in the US.. And McCain says everything is fine??
No,,,,he says all economic indicators are fine. Jobs lost in one sector are replaced with jobs in another. the unemployment data is not that bad,,,5.1%? But....it is trending down which is not good.

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ahh yes. That totally makes sense..

now back to opportunity, goverment opression and Obama
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man, you got to see this! This is McCains new add. Remember, I dont like McCain, but this add is DAMN funny!
stupid negative crap, but funny!


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this is no fun without Spence

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Sorry, I'm busy as a mother...I'll try to expose all the flaws in your comments later tonight when I'm on vacation.

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Sorry, I'm busy as a mother...I'll try to expose all the flaws in your comments later tonight when I'm on vacation.

thanks,

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take your time Spence.. there are many to point out
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ha!
Dont waste too much time, I'll forget about the thread over the weekend and never read it again.

Any cool vacation plans?

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I think he is going to a day spa where he will be rubbed down in olive oil by small fat men wearing nothing but linen man-skirts and will have cucumbers laid all over his face. Or at least that is what I think his dream vacation is ... Somehow I doubt its a trip to a NASCAR event
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You are wrong on everyone of your points Likwid. The rich do spend their money.

Yes, you are a number to most companies, but work hard, make yourself invaluable and see how well they treat you.

Most companies make a profit. they are not in it as a hobby.

Go to a flat tax or a national sales tax and do away with a progressive income tax. It's the only true way to make sure everyone pays their share, no more and no less.

OK Spence, Enlighten me...
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Go to a flat tax or a national sales tax and do away with a progressive income tax. It's the only true way to make sure everyone pays their share, no more and no less.

Hey we agree on something!
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rich people invest, putting there money into new technology, new business, etc. This is what fuels growth, not a damn thing the US GOvernment does. Spence, can you really blame "this administration"? You think that big business really cares who is in office? If they do, its more a matter of taxes.
You aint EVER gonna get new forms of energy unless some rich people put their money behind it.

I'm going into politicla hiding, there is no one out there reflecting my views, the "change" Obama is promoting is marketing BS for the I hate Bush Crowd, no substance and more "let the government fix things" for the losers of the world who cant get it done themselves. McCain, I have no clue what he stands for and is not going to do anything to move this country forward.

At a minimum, I hope whoever gets in, keeps us safe continues to keep terrorism at bay. The rest of the damage they may inflict can be reversed.

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McCain, I have no clue what he stands for and is not going to do anything to move this country forward.
To be honest with you, I think that I would be tempted to want to vote for him if I didnt think he will continue the course that this country is on...
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Spence, can you really blame "this administration"? You think that big business really cares who is in office? If they do, its more a matter of taxes.
You aint EVER gonna get new forms of energy unless some rich people put their money behind it.
The energy challenges we face are larger than anyone really realizes. Sure rich people will have to invest, but given the short-term returns that our economic system mandates, this is a problem that will take decades to solve.

If we continue the Bush policy of "let the free market fix it" we're doomed.

This isn't to say we socialize the problem, but government needs to guide industry through incentives and funded research.

This is the biggest issue facing America today. Not terrorisim.

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