This might be it, we are doomed.

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by spence

I've yet to hear any serious ideas. Really all I've seen from Trump are negative, demeaning, insulting and childish attacks. You don't turn that off, it comes so naturally to Trump because that's who he really is...

Sounds a lot like running on Hope and Change.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Sounds a lot like running on Hope and Change.

No, not at all.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, not at all.

Actually, he's right. Obama had no specific ideas, he just promised this vague notion of "change".

we voted for change, and we got it, boy.

I saw a news report the other day. After getting elected, Obama asked to borrow a specific Norman Rockwell painting, to hang just outside the Oval Office. Everyone who walks into that office, has to walk right past it.

Know what it is?

A little black girl walking down the street, past a wall, on which is spray-painted in grafiti, the word "N*GGER".

Who the hell would want to walk past that every day, on the way into their office? A race-obsessed fanatic, who wants a constant reminder of who his enemies are. This, from the man who said he would unite us, and be a post-racial president.

Right.

[Rockport24]

Originally Posted by spence

I've yet to hear any serious ideas. Really all I've seen from Trump are negative, demeaning, insulting and childish attacks. You don't turn that off, it comes so naturally to Trump because that's who he really is...

Well honestly, maybe some of that bluntness will help our foreign policy, because this method of gentle diplomacy doesn't seem to be working so well with Syria or ISIS! If Regan acted like this, god knows where we would be with communism!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Rockport24

Well honestly, maybe some of that bluntness will help our foreign policy, because this method of gentle diplomacy doesn't seem to be working so well with Syria or ISIS! If Regan acted like this, god knows where we would be with communism!

Correct. When Carter was elected, the liberals said that his appeasement strategy would lead to peace. They were wrong. And as always, failed to learn from that empirical evidence.

[spence]

God the hate runs deep with you...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

God the hate runs deep with you...

Right, right. I point out that our president specifically asked for a painting that makes whites out to be the worst kind of loathsome racists, and I am the hateful one.

You sit in Rev Wright's church for decades, who would expect anything different?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Right, right. I point out that our president specifically asked for a painting that makes whites out to be the worst kind of loathsome racists, and I am the hateful one.

You sit in Rev Wright's church for decades, who would expect anything different?

Actually, the woman who posed as a girl for the painting made the request. It was up for 4 months. It's one of the most iconic political paintings of all time by one of America's greatest painters.

The hate is consuming you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually, the woman who posed as a girl for the painting made the request. It was up for 4 months. It's one of the most iconic political paintings of all time by one of America's greatest painters.

The hate is consuming you.

It's divisive.

Look, it's an important part of our history, and if you're going to put up an entire museum, or when you teach history, it's an important subject to touch upon. I'm not saying we pretend it didn't happen.

But if I'm picking one painting to hang outside the Oval Office, I don't pick something whose only message is that whites, at one time, were institutionally racist to blacks. I'd pick something that unites all of us. And if a white President had a painting of Willie Horton raping a white woman, or abu Mumia Jamal murdering a white police officer, which are also factually correct, I don't think you'd be on board with it.

The great uniter!

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But if I'm picking one painting to hang outside the Oval Office, I don't pick something whose only message is that some whites, plus the Europeans, and the Arabs, and stronger African tribes that profited from the slave trade, at one time, were institutionally racist to blacks. I'd pick something that unites all of us.

The great uniter!

There, fixed it for you, history, unlike skin color, IS more than skin deep.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

The hate is consuming you.

I've told him that in the past.

I view the painting as giving a middle finger to all the racists out there who called him the N word, a ganster or the new one "You people".

Let's lie about his religion, his country, etc and then when we are upset say he is divisive.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I've told him that in the past.

I view the painting as giving a middle finger to all the racists out there who called him the N word, a ganster or the new one "You people".

Let's lie about his religion, his country, etc and then when we are upset say he is divisive.

What was sitting in Rev Wright's church for decades? Just a way to give the finger to racists? Because his sermons seemed to cast the net pretty wide, in terms of defning the enemies of that congregation (which seem to include all honkeys, not just the bad ones). And that, seems very consistent, with the mindset of someone who would want that painting, of all the painitngs in the world, to hang outside the oval office.

All the tea leaves say the same thing. Remember the "bitter clingers" comment, when the Great Uniter thought the mike was off. He also claimed that all Republicans do, the only thing they do, is "hate all the time".

After all that, I'm supposed to believe he gives a fig about my aspirations? He has absolutely no idea what motivates huge numbers of Americans. So he assumes were are motivated by racism. It can't be that our ideas are better (after all, liberalism is working SO WELL in CT, RI, Mass, IL).

Easier to paint me as a hater, than to refute what I'm saying, given the empirical evidence available to us.

[spence]

I love it, now Norman Rockwell is offensive and Donald Trump is admired for his personality.

Your world is upside down.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I love it, now Norman Rockwell is offensive and Donald Trump is admired for his personality.

Your world is upside down.

It's not offensive. But it's divisive.

Look, if next to that painting, he had another painting of white Americans marching alongside Dr King, that would be different.

But he doesn't. And the fact that he only has that one painting, even though segregation ended 50 years ago and he never once experienced it, says something about Obama. Nothing surprising, it just reinforces what non-brainwashed people already knew.

I don't admire Trump's personality, kindly refrain from those false claims.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Look, if next to that painting, he had another painting of white Americans marching alongside Dr King, that would be different.

But he doesn't. And the fact that he only has that one painting, even though segregation ended 50 years ago and he never once experienced it, says something about Obama. Nothing surprising, it just reinforces what non-brainwashed people already knew.

Keep going, this is starting to get good.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Keep going, this is starting to get good.

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[Nebe]

The clown car will be on the track tonight!!! Stay tuned for the brain trust's ideas on how to
A- drag us into another war
B- continue to enrich the 1% while stagnating wage growth for the middle and lower classes.
C-try to turn over social security to Wall Street and defund at the same time
D- using religion as a tool to gain votes to support their corporate based agenda !!!!

MURIKA!!!!!!
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[Nebe]

If there's one trait I have witnessed amongst conservative republicans, it's bad taste in art
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If there's one trait I have witnessed amongst conservative republicans, it's bad taste in art
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Well, to be fair to us slack-jawed hillbillies, we can't all be as cultured as Obama, with Jay Z on his ipod, and Beyonce on his speed dial.

[PaulS]

I can see Jim's house on Sunday mornings

Jim's wife - Dear, we're going to be late for church.

Jim - Yes, don't forget I'm sch. to be an usher today.

Jim thinking to himself - I gotta hurry up and call the Pres. a POS and Hillary a FCOTUS.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I can see Jim's house on Sunday mornings

Jim's wife - Dear, we're going to be late for church.

Jim - Yes, don't forget I'm sch. to be an usher today.

Jim thinking to himself - I gotta hurry up and call the Pres. a POS and Hillary a FCOTUS.

Paul, let's get to the heart of this...

It's indisputable that Obama said that middle-Americans are bitter people who cling to religion/guns because they are racist.

It's also indisputable that he said that Republicans "gotta stop just hatin' all the time".

He's talking about me, and people like me.

How would you like me to describe him? How would you honestly describe someone who spoke about you that way? If I describe him in insulting terms (and of course I do), perhaps he has earned no better from me. Respect is to be earned, no?

Being Catholic, doesn't mean I'm supposed to let someone say hateful (and demonstrably false) things about me, and then thank him for the priviledge.

[Nebe]

I hope you don't vote for trump then. 😝
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I hope you don't vote for trump then. ��
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Me? I have zero respect for Trump, he's not close to worthy of POTUS. Fair enough?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Me? I have zero respect for Trump, he's not close to worthy of POTUS. Fair enough?

Sounds like you're voting for Hillary then

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like you're voting for Hillary then

Not in a million years. She has all the hate-filled, character issues Trump has. The difference is that in addition to being a jerk, Hilary has a proven track record of gross incompetence in high-level federal jobs (Secstate). Trump doesn't. So if the choice is between 2 a-holes, and the difference is that one hasn't shown that he'd be a flop in a senior government role, and the one who is a flop also has never met an abortion that she didn't like, then I can plug my nose and vote for Donald.

Moot point, he's about to drop like a brick and go away. Too late, but he's hopefully on his way out.

Spence, based on the racist poll you posted of the bst states to live in, who are you voting for? Margaret Sanger? I guess Hilary is the next best thing, right? After all, she has said she admires Sanger. Two peas in a pod.

[PaulS]

Mont, ND, SD, Utah. All more white than some of those states listed.

Face it, you just have African American's on your mind.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Mont, ND, SD, Utah. All more white than some of those states listed.

Face it, you just have African American's on your mind.

Paul, the states he listed as the "best", have a combined black population that is one-quarter the national average. He was the one who claimed those were the best states. I pointed out, correctly, that his "best" states are overwhelmingly white.

If my pointing that out makes me the racist, I fail to see how.

I'd argue, quite convincingly, that the people who put that poll together, are the ones focused on blacks. Specifically, they are focused on not living anywhere near them.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Face it, you just have African American's on your mind.

Call it what it is.....Jungle Fever
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[Nebe]

One point to Jim.
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[PaulS]

Your cherry picking the states to fit your narrative. Many other states have higher % of whites but where not listed.