So, how about our brilliant middle eastern vetting process

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Tough crap. Their feelings are getting hurt, our people are getting murdered.

"I think with Donald Trump said was idiotic "

I don't know anymore, I just don't.

In other words, you agree with what he said.

Here's the rub, we can't control let alone defeat terrorism without Muslims at our side. Trump's remarks and your support for them are playing right into ISIS's recruiting strategy.

[afterhours]

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Here's the rub, we can't control let alone defeat terrorism without Muslims at our side.



i wish they were on our side, where is the outpouring of muslim condemnation and anger directed at isis? maybe it's just me but i haven't heard much more than a bit lip service - not the outrage that one would expect from this peaceful religion.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Here's the rub, we can't control let alone defeat terrorism without Muslims at our side. Trump's remarks and your support for them are playing right into ISIS's recruiting strategy.

What would happen to ISIS's recruiting strategy if ISIS was destroyed?

[detbuch]

[QUOTE=afterhours;1088186]

Originally Posted by spence

Here's the rub, we can't control let alone defeat terrorism without Muslims at our side.



i wish they were on our side, where is the outpouring of muslim condemnation and anger directed at isis? maybe it's just me but i haven't heard much more than a bit lip service - not the outrage that one would expect from this peaceful religion.

It would be comforting if the so-called vast majority of moderate Muslims were called upon by their leaders to a jihad against the terrorists of whom it is said are blaspheming their faith. It shouldn't take long for that vast majority to absolutely crush those who are trying to destroy their faith. After all, the rest of the world wouldn't interfere--would even help them.

But, It seems that loud impressive sounding "condemnations" are proclaimed, which, I guess ,is supposed to be enough. I'm wondering what they are condemning them to.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

In other words, you agree with what he said.

Here's the rub, we can't control let alone defeat terrorism without Muslims at our side. Trump's remarks and your support for them are playing right into ISIS's recruiting strategy.

"In other words, you agree with what he said.
"

Here's all anyone here needs to now about you and politics. Hilary said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia. You will not say that she lied. I say "I don't know" what to think about Trump, and you know for certain what my intentions are. Have fun explaining that.

I don't know what to think. I do know that I can no longer take a president who, when he sees images of huge piles of dead westerners, thinks the true victims are the muslims that might get taunted, and who thinks the underlying issues are gun control and/or climate change. He is a world-class horse's azz.

"Here's the rub, we can't control let alone defeat terrorism without Muslims at our side"

Here's the other rub. If "Muslims" aren't on our side now, what the f*ck are they waiting for? Who helped the Muslims in Afghanistan fight the invading Soviets? Who helped feed starving Muslims in Somalia? Who freed Muslims in Kuwait? In Afghanistan? In Iraq? The male shooter in California, what country gave him a good middle class job, at a company that threw him and his c*nt wife a baby shower last year?

This religion is based on Mohammed, who was a bloodthirsty, murderous, barbaric thief, someone the Japanese of WWII could really relate to. That's historical fact. He was the exact opposite of Jesus. Not surprising that the religion based on his life, might accurately be described as "satanic." Is there a Muslim country, on the planet at this time, that is at peace within its borders, and with its neighbors? How many Muslim countries are not committed to the destruction of Israel? How many religions stone their women, and mutilate their genitalia?

"Trump's remarks and your support for them are playing right into ISIS's recruiting strategy"

And if you hero listened to any number of military experts who begged him not to withdraw from Iraq, we would not be talking about ISIS today.

All this horebleep about "this plays into their hands". How has being open and hospitable working out, Spence? How has Obama's strategy of appeasement working so far? You tell us!

I don't like Trump. His remarks on Islam are not as idiotic to me, as they would have been last year. Especially compared to the strategy embraced by maybe the only person less up to the task of solving this problem, which is Obama. Maybe that's why I am willing to listen to Trump, because compared to Obama, he doesn't sound so un-hinged anymore.

If the issue is Muslim terrorism, and one guy wants to kick all Muslims out of the country, and the other guy's solution is to get me to drive an electric car, the first guy doesn't seem so stupid all of a sudden.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"In other words, you agree with what he said.
"

Here's all anyone here needs to now about you and politics. Hilary said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia. You will not say that she lied. I say "I don't know" what to think about Trump, and you know for certain what my intentions are. Have fun explaining that.

I don't know what to think. I do know that I can no longer take a president who, when he sees images of huge piles of dead westerners, thinks the true victims are the muslims that might get taunted, and who thinks the underlying issues are gun control and/or climate change. He is a world-class horse's azz.

"Here's the rub, we can't control let alone defeat terrorism without Muslims at our side"

Here's the other rub. If "Muslims" aren't on our side now, what the f*ck are they waiting for? Who helped the Muslims in Afghanistan fight the invading Soviets? Who helped feed starving Muslims in Somalia? Who freed Muslims in Kuwait? In Afghanistan? In Iraq? The male shooter in California, what country gave him a good middle class job, at a company that threw him and his c*nt wife a baby shower last year?

This religion is based on Mohammed, who was a bloodthirsty, murderous, barbaric thief, someone the Japanese of WWII could really relate to. That's historical fact. He was the exact opposite of Jesus. Not surprising that the religion based on his life, might accurately be described as "satanic." Is there a Muslim country, on the planet at this time, that is at peace within its borders, and with its neighbors? How many Muslim countries are not committed to the destruction of Israel? How many religions stone their women, and mutilate their genitalia?

"Trump's remarks and your support for them are playing right into ISIS's recruiting strategy"

And if you hero listened to any number of military experts who begged him not to withdraw from Iraq, we would not be talking about ISIS today.

All this horebleep about "this plays into their hands". How has being open and hospitable working out, Spence? How has Obama's strategy of appeasement working so far? You tell us!

I don't like Trump. His remarks on Islam are not as idiotic to me, as they would have been last year. Especially compared to the strategy embraced by maybe the only person less up to the task of solving this problem, which is Obama. Maybe that's why I am willing to listen to Trump, because compared to Obama, he doesn't sound so un-hinged anymore.

If the issue is Muslim terrorism, and one guy wants to kick all Muslims out of the country, and the other guy's solution is to get me to drive an electric car, the first guy doesn't seem so stupid all of a sudden.

Brutally honest ....Great post
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[scottw]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ader-virginia/

this is great...Obama administration official goes to "moderate" Mosque to condemn Trump and his rhetoric...turns out the Mosque he is condemning Trump from has been investigated for all sorts of ties to Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood...and on...

Trump is riding a wave of folks who trust his foolishness more than they trust leftist stupidity and they are anxious to embrace someone who won't be cowed by political correctness...

it's the swing of the pendulum......payback for 8 years of the worst president in American history who, through the help of his supporters, has lowered the bar and sewn the seeds of discontent, rubbed old wounds raw(as any good community organizer is instructed to do)...using Spence logic...the democrats have created Trump and have played right into his hands

every presidential election season the dems and the media scream of the republicans and their candidates..."where's the red meat??"...here you go , a heaping helping...

I don't like Trump...but I can't say I don't and won't enjoy the hair pulling, hand wringing and cackling from the folks that gave us Obama

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Anyone notice that the 'message' has been that background checks don't work when you want a buy a gun, and ironically that the background checks will work just fine for the migrants???

just an observation

I know... right???

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

I know... right???

Hahaha! And there it is
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ader-virginia/

this is great...Obama administration official goes to "moderate" Mosque to condemn Trump and his rhetoric...turns out the Mosque he is condemning Trump from has been investigated for all sorts of ties to Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood...and on...

Trump is riding a wave of folks who trust his foolishness more than they trust leftist stupidity and they are anxious to embrace someone who won't be cowed by political correctness...

it's the swing of the pendulum......payback for 8 years of the worst president in American history who, through the help of his supporters, has lowered the bar and sewn the seeds of discontent, rubbed old wounds raw(as any good community organizer is instructed to do)...using Spence logic...the democrats have created Trump and have played right into his hands

every presidential election season the dems and the media scream of the republicans and their candidates..."where's the red meat??"...here you go , a heaping helping...

I don't like Trump...but I can't say I don't and won't enjoy the hair pulling, hand wringing and cackling from the folks that gave us Obama

Very well put. This is totally the back swing of the pendulum.
The thing is.. There is no way that trump will be elected. That is unless the dumbing down of America has reached its final stages
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[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What would happen to ISIS's recruiting strategy if ISIS was destroyed?

Brilliant! Somebody should relay this to the President.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Brilliant! Somebody should relay this to the President.
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What's his plan to accomnplish this? To make it harder for law-abiding Americans to buy guns, and to get more people to convert to solar panels? Yessir, that will bring ISIS to their knees before lunch!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Brilliant! Somebody should relay this to the President.
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Yup. Then he and that hugely vast majority of moderate Muslims could finally get together and easily stamp out that really tiny group of radical, extremists who call themselves Muslim but really aren't.

[Nebe]

The US government does not want to solve problems. They want to create more problems so we are further dependant on the system
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[Jim in CT]

When Bush stood at th erubble of the twin towers, he got on top of a car, ambraced a foreman, and yelled into a bullhorn "I hear you! America hears you! And soon, the people who knowcked down these towers, will hear from all of us!" He said it, he meant it, and he did it. We can, and shoud, debate how well he dit it, and what he could have done better. Say what you will about him, he said ehwt he felt and he did what he said.

Today, we have Obama. In reference to one massacre after another, he warns us not to be rude to Muslims, to think twice about buying guns, and to use less fossil fuel.

When you put it that way, one of those two guys really looks like an idiot, doesn't he?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The US government does not want to solve problems. They want to create more problems so we are further dependant on the system
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Said the guy who supports, wait for it, Bernie Sanders. Because Bernie the socialist will reduce dependency on the system?

[Nebe]

I didn't say I was against it
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[Nebe]

Or at least, I didn't say I am against Bernies agenda.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Very well put. This is totally the back swing of the pendulum.
The thing is.. There is no way that trump will be elected. That is unless the dumbing down of America has reached its final stages
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Actually, the dumbing down of America has been occurring for several years under socialist policies which create an environment in which individual responsibility is diminished, even ridiculed, in favor of government aid. Policies which create a climate of thought in which solving personal problems becomes too difficult without government intervention. Policies which entitle Americans to growing lists of government help and handouts which in turn transforms growing numbers of Americans who become convinced there is no embarrassment or indignity in being given the handouts. And who then not only believe they are owed the gifts which they now demand, but who then are taught that the gifts actually give them dignity. At which point they have been dumbed down to believing that their sustenance and dignity depends on the largesse of government.

The final stages of the dumbing down of America will more easily be achieved with the election of Bernie Sanders. From there, we can evolve, or descend, into further degradations of actual individual freedom and dignity.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ader-virginia/

this is great...Obama administration official goes to "moderate" Mosque to condemn Trump and his rhetoric...turns out the Mosque he is condemning Trump from has been investigated for all sorts of ties to Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood...and on...

Trump is riding a wave of folks who trust his foolishness more than they trust leftist stupidity and they are anxious to embrace someone who won't be cowed by political correctness...

it's the swing of the pendulum......payback for 8 years of the worst president in American history who, through the help of his supporters, has lowered the bar and sewn the seeds of discontent, rubbed old wounds raw(as any good community organizer is instructed to do)...using Spence logic...the democrats have created Trump and have played right into his hands

every presidential election season the dems and the media scream of the republicans and their candidates..."where's the red meat??"...here you go , a heaping helping...

I don't like Trump...but I can't say I don't and won't enjoy the hair pulling, hand wringing and cackling from the folks that gave us Obama

I don't care for Trump either, but I am glad he's in the race (thus far), here's why...his presence on that stage is increasing debate audiences by millions and millions. Tons of people are watching on TV just to see what he might do. Some of those people, who only tuned in for Trump, will hear Carson, or Cruz, or Rubio, and think, "hey, that guy doesn't hate everybody like Obama and NBC claim. He sounds smart to me, I'll give him a listen". That's a good thing, as long as he doesn't stick around TOO long.

[Fly Rod]

If Bernie is elected what will the new flag look like?.....your president thought he was an advocate for gun control....in reality he has been the best advocate for the purchasing of guns, can not keep guns on gun shop shelves....as far as banning people on the no fly list over 40% of the 70 thousand on the list do not belong on it....Ted Kennedy, John Lewis(senator) and a couple of US news reporters was on it.....if U get a one way ticket to go to a foreign country U may end up on the no fly list....what some people do not know when purchasing a gun U R checked by the feds and they also check the no fly list included in that check...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's a good thing, as long as he doesn't stick around TOO long.

And your argument above is very reasoned for getting the message out, but what mechanism is there to get rid of him from the race? The most inflammatory things he says INCREASE his poll numbers, even when false (i.e. 1000's in Jersey city, NJ)

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

The most inflammatory things he says INCREASE his poll numbers, even when false (i.e. 1000's in Jersey city, NJ)

Déjà vu from several years ago
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And your argument above is very reasoned for getting the message out, but what mechanism is there to get rid of him from the race? The most inflammatory things he says INCREASE his poll numbers, even when false (i.e. 1000's in Jersey city, NJ)

Are his poll numbers at an all-time high?

The mechanism to get him out, i sthat 75% of GOP voters want someone else. Problem is, now, there are too many alternatives to Trump. As some drop out, the "non Trump vote" will consolidate around 1 or 2 candidates, he will falter and, eventually, fail. I hope.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

If Bernie is elected what will the new flag look like?.....your president thought he was an advocate for gun control....in reality he has been the best advocate for the purchasing of guns, can not keep guns on gun shop shelves....as far as banning people on the no fly list over 40% of the 70 thousand on the list do not belong on it....Ted Kennedy, John Lewis(senator) and a couple of US news reporters was on it.....if U get a one way ticket to go to a foreign country U may end up on the no fly list....what some people do not know when purchasing a gun U R checked by the feds and they also check the no fly list included in that check...

Psssst. Bernie is pro gun.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by spence

The K-1 visa is actually supposed to be pretty hard to get through. Even have to provide police records from every place you've lived since age 16. You also have no idea if she was radicalized before she came, you're just making assumptions at this point.

And now I think we know the answer...

https://gma.yahoo.com/san-bernardino...pstories.html#

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Piscator

And now I think we know the answer...

https://gma.yahoo.com/san-bernardino...pstories.html#

Spence is proven wrong only a little less often than Obama . At least in this thread 😊
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Are his poll numbers at an all-time high?

The mechanism to get him out, i sthat 75% of GOP voters want someone else. Problem is, now, there are too many alternatives to Trump. As some drop out, the "non Trump vote" will consolidate around 1 or 2 candidates, he will falter and, eventually, fail. I hope.

We'll see.
It will be a game of chicken to see who drops out, and if it happens in time. All assuming Trump doesn't go third party.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

We'll see.
It will be a game of chicken to see who drops out, and if it happens in time. All assuming Trump doesn't go third party.

Howard Dean was in the hunt on your side, early on, as I recall. Like Trump, he's a little funny in the head. Though not as overtly bombastic as Trump, though not by all that much, either. When Dean was running, he said that if he won, he would consider having the FCC breakup Foxnews. That's a wee bit fascist.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Psssst. Bernie is pro gun.
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did not mention or ask if bernie was pro gun....only mentioned your current president about guns....