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11-17-2016, 04:15 PM
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Ledge Runner Baits
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Thank God pot is legal, I think I'm going to need a good buzz on in order to survive the next 4 years.
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11-20-2016, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
i believe he received $100,000 from the tobacco industry..
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He was paid $100,000 for saying ". . . news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit."?? Really? Sounds like a thoroughly wasted $100,00.
On the other hand, if Pence was paid a hundred grand to make smoking sound good, then tells us that it is not good for us and we should quit, maybe he is not trustworthy.
Did you actually read what you posted?
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11-20-2016, 09:27 AM
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Eh, back to predictions.....
Gas will be $4+ sooner than later at the pump because the incoming administration will likely pee off the Muslim suppliers of oil and they will shut down the supply....
Then the domestic oil fields and coal mines will become open game with no heed to the environment(no EPA!) and the ecological disasters will mount and be dismissed by the administration (Global warming isn't real)
Despite it being a 'national emergency', the gov't will probably privatize the drilling and mining, possibly to foreign interests who submit the lowest bid. The high paid jobs in the industry will go to them, with token Americans doing the labor
But, I don't think we'll hear about any of this because I think that the administration will do what Bushv2 did and seal all presidential records in the interest of National Security.
And the atmosphere will get hotter, the oceans will rise and the ozone will be lost......
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11-20-2016, 11:14 AM
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time to go
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justfishin'
Eh, back to predictions.....
Gas will be $4+ sooner than later at the pump because the incoming administration will likely pee off the Muslim suppliers of oil and they will shut down the supply....
Then the domestic oil fields and coal mines will become open game with no heed to the environment(no EPA!) and the ecological disasters will mount and be dismissed by the administration (Global warming isn't real)
Despite it being a 'national emergency', the gov't will probably privatize the drilling and mining, possibly to foreign interests who submit the lowest bid. The high paid jobs in the industry will go to them, with token Americans doing the labor
But, I don't think we'll hear about ant of this because I thing that the administration will do what Bushv2 did and seal all presidential records in the interest of National Security.
And the atmosphere will get hotter, the oceans will rise and the ozone will be lost......
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Time will tell but this guy has figured out how to use salt water as a fuel.
https://youtu.be/F0vycQ06a04
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11-17-2016, 11:39 AM
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Jim, i could not tell you if she resigned. I remember that some guy was forced to resign. He was the acting head so maybe she did resign. I don't know remember either way. sometimes people who are not guilty are forced to take the fall. There was investigations and there was no evidence at all that the White House knew.
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11-17-2016, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Jim, i could not tell you if she resigned. I remember that some guy was forced to resign. He was the acting head so maybe she did resign. I don't know remember either way. sometimes people who are not guilty are forced to take the fall. There was investigations and there was no evidence at all that the White House knew.
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True, especially in politics, innocent people are often asked to fall on the sword.
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11-18-2016, 11:20 AM
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I don't think Trump will have Guiliani in his admin. bc of how much $ he made making speaches after being mayor. I know how the right complained so much about the Clinton's and the $ they made.
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11-18-2016, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I don't think Trump will have Guiliani in his admin. bc of how much $ he made making speaches after being mayor. I know how the right complained so much about the Clinton's and the $ they made.
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I don't think most conservatives have any quarrel with what she did. If the free market wants to pay her for speaking, that's how a free market is supposed to work.
What we object to, is the hypocrisy involved when Hillary complains about a rigged system that favors insiders (yet takes full advantage of it herself), and when she complains about Wall Street excess (she made a mint speaking to Goldman Sachs). And when she refuses to reveal the transcripts of those speeches, but bashes Trump abut not revealing taxes.
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11-18-2016, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I don't think most conservatives have any quarrel with what she did. If the free market wants to pay her for speaking, that's how a free market is supposed to work.
What we object to, is the hypocrisy involved when Hillary complains about a rigged system that favors insiders (yet takes full advantage of it herself), and when she complains about Wall Street excess (she made a mint speaking to Goldman Sachs). And when she refuses to reveal the transcripts of those speeches, but bashes Trump abut not revealing taxes.
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We heard it constantly here that she (a private citizen) should release the transcripts of the Goldman Sach speaches. So anyone in the Trump's WH (since they are public officials) I assume will have to release all the transcipts of the speaches they made prior to become appointed/elected. If not that is hypocrisy. I assume everyone will release their college transcripts also since people on the right where screaming for Obamas - right?
Would you release your companies reserve factors?
We ain't ever seeing his taxes.
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11-18-2016, 02:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulS
We heard it constantly here that she (a private citizen) should release the transcripts of the Goldman Sach speaches. So anyone in the Trump's WH (since they are public officials) I assume will have to release all the transcipts of the speaches they made prior to become appointed/elected. If not that is hypocrisy. I assume everyone will release their college transcripts also since people on the right where screaming for Obamas - right?
Would you release your companies reserve factors?
We ain't ever seeing his taxes.
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"We heard it constantly here that she (a private citizen) should release the transcripts of the Goldman Sach speaches. "
So what? Is that an unreasonable thing to request?
"So anyone in the Trump's WH (since they are public officials) I assume will have to release all the transcipts of the speaches they made prior to become appointed/elected. "
Fair enough.
"I assume everyone will release their college transcripts also since people on the right where screaming for Obamas - right?"
Did Trump and Hillary release transcripts? Most candidates do. Obama, as you say, did not. I wonder why?
"Would you release your companies reserve factors?"
Not remotely the same thing. Though you always impress me with how much you know about insurance. But if I gave a speech saying that companies shouldn't have to hold adequate reserves, that would be fair game to make public.
"We ain't ever seeing his taxes."
Maybe not, you may well be right.
I wanted to see the transcript of her speeches, only after she was whining about a rigged system, and whining about how evil business is. Because those stances seem totally at odds with taking 250k for a 30 minute speech from Goldman Sachs.
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11-18-2016, 03:33 PM
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I do think it is unreasonable for a private citizen to have to release work they were paid to do. Just as you shouldn't be expected to release the work you do for your employer, Hillary (or anyone in any admin) should have to release that same work (unless it was illegal in some way, etc.).
I can't remember past Pres. releasing transcripts and don't believe that was common like releasing your taxes is.
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11-21-2016, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I do think it is unreasonable for a private citizen to have to release work they were paid to do. Just as you shouldn't be expected to release the work you do for your employer, Hillary (or anyone in any admin) should have to release that same work (unless it was illegal in some way, etc.).
I can't remember past Pres. releasing transcripts and don't believe that was common like releasing your taxes is.
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I don't think it's the same thing. My company owns the work I do for them. I don't think Goldman Sachs was "buying" the speech from Hillary, rather paying her to come and give the speech. Unless her speech had any proprietary details in it, which I can't see how it would.
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11-20-2016, 01:12 PM
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How Trump deals with messages he doesn't like
You know, we have a guest in the audience this evening. Vice President-elect Pence, I see you walking out but I hope you hear just a few more moments. There's nothing to boo, ladies and gentlemen. There's nothing to boo. We're all here sharing a story of love. We have a message for you, sir. We hope that you will hear us out.
And I encourage everybody to pull out your phones and tweet and post, because this message needs to be spread far and wide, OK?
Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at Hamilton: An American Musical. We really do.
We sir, we, are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us — our planet, our children, our parents — or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us.
Again, we truly thank you for sharing this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds, and orientations.
Trumps comments show his Authoritarian personality is shinning bright
The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior
Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen!
The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!
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11-20-2016, 01:26 PM
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I don't think it's appropriate for the cast to say that at the end of the show to a person visiting the show. That said,as i said earlier I think Trump is going to end up getting in trouble because he can't control his emotions.
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11-20-2016, 02:16 PM
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reminds me of when Obama attacked the Cambridge police dept for "acting stupidly"
I don't mind that they addressed him, they saw an opportunity and took advantage at an appropriate time....I hate the idea that elected officials get some special treatment...the should be more approachable and accountable, particularly if "the people" are addressing them in a respectful manner which was the case...would have been great if Pence offered to speak with them all after the show to hear and try to address their concerns
maybe Trump will invite them all to the White House for a beer
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11-20-2016, 02:20 PM
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Wait till president Trump has some Democratic Governors sticking their finger in his face. He would go ballistic. However I doubt the Democratic Governors would do that.
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11-20-2016, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Wait till president Trump has some Democratic Governors sticking their finger in his face. .
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getting tougher and tougher to find a democrat governor 
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11-20-2016, 03:08 PM
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hey one of my predictions is about to come true.. Trump wants Mittens to be secretary of state.
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11-20-2016, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
hey one of my predictions is about to come true.. Trump wants Mittens to be secretary of state.
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now you sound like trump
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11-20-2016, 03:30 PM
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believe me scott, if i wanted to sound like trump it would be tremendous. Believe me, it would be huge. We are going to drain that boil and make america sit again !
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11-20-2016, 09:32 PM
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Now he's considering Sessions for
a post in his administration? 
that's Like resurrecting Asslinger
from the dead.
it'll get real NASTY
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11-21-2016, 12:50 PM
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11-21-2016, 01:40 PM
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They could have been asking her view on global trends to use it their investment decision making. Why should a competitor of theirs have access to the info. they paid $ for?
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11-21-2016, 02:06 PM
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They could have been asking her view on global trends to use it their investment decision making. Why should a competitor of theirs have access to the info. they paid $ for?
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Then that's not a speech, that's consulting work. Paul, if what you said were true, all she'd have to do is say "the speech itself is proprietary information to the clients who paid me", and that would be the end of it. She hasn't said that (as far as I know), which tells us, that the picture you painted, isn't even close to what happened.
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11-22-2016, 12:13 PM
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Late to the party and it may have been posted already, but the one professor somewhere that predicted the Trump win a while back followed up with a prediction that he will be impeached to put Pence in the oval office full time. Now that's a prediction!
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11-22-2016, 12:17 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me.
Have I mentioned legalization of marijuana ? Kiss that goodbye.
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11-23-2016, 05:47 AM
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Billionaire US President-elect Donald Trump has said he is not obliged to cut ties to his business empire when he takes office on 20 January.
His son-in-law Jared Kushner - a real estate heir who has no experience of diplomacy - could help forge peace between Israel and Palestinians (really and you all complained about the commuinty orignizer )
The US should not be a "nation-builder" in the world this I agree with.. but not sure his Cabinet are on the same page
And the right took a fit with Bill on a plane with the Attorney General . the Clinton foundation and donations from other Governments quid pro quo
But they remain silent with the suggestion he is unwilling to cutting ties with business with tie's or loans from other government..
And his administration will be going after Unions so much for working class America
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11-23-2016, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Billionaire US President-elect Donald Trump has said he is not obliged to cut ties to his business empire when he takes office on 20 January.
His son-in-law Jared Kushner - a real estate heir who has no experience of diplomacy - could help forge peace between Israel and Palestinians (really and you all complained about the commuinty orignizer )
The US should not be a "nation-builder" in the world this I agree with.. but not sure his Cabinet are on the same page
And the right took a fit with Bill on a plane with the Attorney General . the Clinton foundation and donations from other Governments quid pro quo
But they remain silent with the suggestion he is unwilling to cutting ties with business with tie's or loans from other government..
And his administration will be going after Unions so much for working class America
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so you are saying you have a problem with people on the right holding(or not) Trump to the same standards(or lack of) that people have held the Clinton's(and others) to in the past?..........and before any of the things you listed have actually occurred...this is like "fake news"... 
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11-23-2016, 05:27 PM
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so you are saying you have a problem with people on the right holding(or not) Trump to the same standards(or lack of) that people have held the Clinton's(and others) to in the past?..........and before any of the things you listed have actually occurred...this is like "fake news"... 
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Do you need it to happen 1st for it to be an Issue by then its to late
With the Clinton foundation you knew who donated what and when the rest of the rights narrative was just that fake news
As of today know one knows who he he owes or who own's him
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11-24-2016, 05:58 AM
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Do you need it to happen 1st for it to be an Issue by then its to late ??
With the Clinton foundation you knew who donated what and when the rest of the rights narrative was just that fake news
As of today know one knows who he he owes or who own's him
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I admit that it's quite a change having an incoming president who actually had job and career outside government.... I don't think the Foundation disclosure agreement came about or into affect till she actually became SOS...and was nothing more than something they were excited to undermine and work around in typical Clinton fashion
you should prepare now for the fact that everything Trump says and does for the next 4-8 years is going to make you crazy 
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