Good God do I hate Elizabeth Warren

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Sounds like the swamp draining I would support.
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When politicians sell influence to the highest bidder, that's bad for everyone. Would Warren's bill also limit/ban contributions from labor unions? Or only from other businesses? People tend to forget that just as the GOP gets donations from Wall Street, so do the democrats get donations from labor unions and Hollywood. They all have their masters.

Also interesting that Warren is sad that the public has such little trust in Washington,. Coming from someone who lied about her ethnicity when applying for a job paying 400k, that's pretty interesting.

God I hope she gets the nomination.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

When politicians sell influence to the highest bidder, that's bad for everyone. Would Warren's bill also limit/ban contributions from labor unions? Or only from other businesses? People tend to forget that just as the GOP gets donations from Wall Street, so do the democrats get donations from labor unions and Hollywood. They all have their masters.

Those evil labor unions are not the big donors
The top five donors to super PACs in the 2016 election are all billionaires or, at least, worth nine figures. There’s the environmentalist former hedge fund manager Tom Steyer. He has donated $66.2 million to NextGen Climate Action, his super PAC supporting Democratic candidates who back action to counter climate change. Republican casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson and his wife have donated $52.9 million. S. Donald Sussman, the Democratic hedge fund billionaire, has given $37.2 million to an array of super PACs. Newsweb Corporation chairman Fred Eychaner has supported Democrats with $32.1 million in super PAC donations. Facebook billionaire Dustin Moskovitz and his wife, Cari Tuna, have donated $22 million to super PACs supporting Democrats.

These donors combined to give more than $210 million ― more than all reported election spending by labor unions. In total, super PAC donations by rich people giving more than $500,000 topped $757 million by Oct. 19. That’s nearly six times the amount donated by labor.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Those evil labor unions are not the big donors
The top five donors to super PACs in the 2016 election are all billionaires or, at least, worth nine figures. There’s the environmentalist former hedge fund manager Tom Steyer. He has donated $66.2 million to NextGen Climate Action, his super PAC supporting Democratic candidates who back action to counter climate change. Republican casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson and his wife have donated $52.9 million. S. Donald Sussman, the Democratic hedge fund billionaire, has given $37.2 million to an array of super PACs. Newsweb Corporation chairman Fred Eychaner has supported Democrats with $32.1 million in super PAC donations. Facebook billionaire Dustin Moskovitz and his wife, Cari Tuna, have donated $22 million to super PACs supporting Democrats.

These donors combined to give more than $210 million ― more than all reported election spending by labor unions. In total, super PAC donations by rich people giving more than $500,000 topped $757 million by Oct. 19. That’s nearly six times the amount donated by labor.

Why did you specify the donors to super PACs, as opposed to the top donors who give directly to the candidate? Trying to hide something?

Labor unions don't give meaningful money to democrats? Then it wouldn't be a big deal to stop taking it. Go ahead and propose that.

[Slipknot]

Pete,
Jim didn’t say they were the big donors, he asked a question or 2 and you did not even come close to answering it.
This is why I choose to contribute less to this forum. Same nonsense back and forth.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Pete,
Jim didn’t say they were the big donors, he asked a question or 2 and you did not even come close to answering it.
This is why I choose to contribute less to this forum. Same nonsense back and forth.
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The refusal to answer direct points really is something.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The refusal to answer direct points really is something.

This is a proposal for a bill, not written legislation.
Warren is a politician, of course she would propose things that are somewhat weighted to her perceived constituents advantage.
It still has to go thru the legislative process, where things get added and subtracted, at least in theory all legislators get to weigh in on it.
You find something that you think could be objectionable, with no basis and complain about it, claiming that you are sure some group or individual you object to would get an unfair advantage.
As far as math goes feel free to divide the $757 million by 6 to come up with an approximate number for how much labor unions donate in this case, all I did was try to illustrate that Labor unions are nowhere near as powerful as some think. If you think there is some secret money, feel free to show me.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

This is a proposal for a bill, not written legislation.
Warren is a politician, of course she would propose things that are somewhat weighted to her perceived constituents advantage.
It still has to go thru the legislative process, where things get added and subtracted, at least in theory all legislators get to weigh in on it.
You find something that you think could be objectionable, with no basis and complain about it, claiming that you are sure some group or individual you object to would get an unfair advantage.
As far as math goes feel free to divide the $757 million by 6 to come up with an approximate number for how much labor unions donate in this case, all I did was try to illustrate that Labor unions are nowhere near as powerful as some think. If you think there is some secret money, feel free to show me.

Warren has her big donors too, including Wall Street and well connected law firms. How come it's OK when she takes donations from corporations, but sinister when everyone else does it?

And for once, instead of you posting an article, how about you tell me what you think about it.

[Pete F.]

I started writing something but in theory, remember there are a ton of details, I agree with what she proposes on reform in washington pretty completely.
My concern is that in Congress things typically get gutted to the point where they mean nothing or have enough exemptions that they are easily worked around for someone's benefit.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Sorry, but this made me chuckle...

[Nebe]

I named my diesel Volkswagen donald trump. It’s orange and it lied to pass emissions.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Ahhhh, but it still passed and you have it for another year

[nightfighter]

Did my civic duty to get rid of this awful woman.

[Slipknot]

I voted early and apparently I did vote often enough because they called it an hour after closing 3000 to 1500 but that can’t be.

This state is becoming a lost cause
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I voted early and apparently I did vote often enough because they called it an hour after closing 3000 to 1500 but that can’t be.

This state is becoming a lost cause
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I got a kick out of that last night, they were calling it with <1% of precincts reporting.

[nightfighter]

Hahahahaha

"I should have been more… mindful....." before she willingly signed documents describing herself as Native American.... for the Texas bar, Harvard, UPenn, and God knows where else....
Now hopefully she just goes away, if only as a second tier Senator. A death knell for her presidential bid?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Hahahahaha

"I should have been more… mindful....." before she willingly signed documents describing herself as Native American.... for the Texas bar, Harvard, UPenn, and God knows where else....
Now hopefully she just goes away, if only as a second tier Senator. A death knell for her presidential bid?

Here’s hoping she takes a hike
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Hahahahaha

"I should have been more… mindful....." before she willingly signed documents describing herself as Native American.... for the Texas bar, Harvard, UPenn, and God knows where else....
Now hopefully she just goes away, if only as a second tier Senator. A death knell for her presidential bid?

she didn’t lie, she just wasn’t sensitive enough. that press conference was wonderful
to behold.

round eye who want-um live in teepee of great white chief, will regret lies for many moons.

and for her slander if the covington kids, she
might have to fork over many wampum.
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[Got Stripers]

I'd say no way she runs after that tidbit was published.

[Jim in CT]

i am so happy this thread was started and is still around.
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[nightfighter]

So am I, Jim. So am I, a year later.

Such satisfaction to see, and hear, her dropping out. POS woman. Now get your azz back to work being a Senator, at least until we can vote your azz out. (Which should not be much of a stretch after her third place showing in Mass on Super Tuesday!) Almost three years after starting this thread, and tolerating its hijacks, I feel quietly vindicated to know that she now also knows; the people are not with you, Elizabeth!

[rphud]

Warren is playing a very interesting game right now, except for her PRC driveway press talk. Staying uncommitted until the offers start coming in? Not sure Bernie or Joe are quite that desperate yet or ever will be. Maybe poison to either one. Convention could be the "best" since Chicago!