Double standard

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’m starting a rumor

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nobody pays attention to you

[Pete F.]

The best (and worst) thing about the cult of Trumpism is that any deviation from the officially prescribed adoration is cause for ostracism. Trumpism cannot accept dissenting views from its supporters and will countenance no accountability for the dear leader. What is good is what is Trump; and whatever Trump is, is by definition good.

Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino.

On Wednesday, the day after a midterm cycle dominated by President Trump’s divisive fear-mongering about immigrants invading our country, I listened as he told another of the lies for which has become so notorious. During his White House news conference he said, “I’ve never used racist remarks.”


I know the real Trump better than most. For 3½ years, I worked in almost daily contact with him at the highest levels of the Atlantic City casino empire over which he once held sway. I saw him treat black people and minorities as inferior. I heard him say vulgar, bigoted things and I rebuked him for them. But he did not quit. Indeed, he has continued it to this day.

Others who have known him, including his son Eric and former football player Herschel Walker insist he is not a racist. But I don’t see how anyone who has watched him across the 40 or so years could conclude otherwise. After all, he has been so public about it.

We can go back to the start of his career in the early 1970s and the outrage he expressed when Trump and his father were charged by the federal government with discriminating against African-Americans in the rental housing they owned in New York City. Trump’s response was to hire Roy Cohn, who then countersued, calling the Justice Department attorneys “storm troopers” and “Gestapo.” The Trumps ultimately agreed to integrate their buildings, but the Justice Department acknowledged they never really complied. Because they didn’t want to. As Donald saw it, and I remember him voicing a version of this idea within the inner circle of his executives on several occasions: “Blacks don’t want to live with whites, so why isn’t it OK for whites not to want to live with blacks?” I know that in similar fashion he despised the affirmative action guidelines (50 percent female and 30 percent minority at every level) we were required to implement to maintain our gaming license. He would say it was not realistic and a waste of money to train people who did not have the ability.

I recall one busy Saturday night, walking the casino floor with him, when he saw what he considered an inordinate number of black customers. “It’s looking a little dark in here,” he calmly stated. It was his way of telling me to limit our charter bus programs in urban neighborhoods. I ignored him and continued to run the business in the best interest of Donald, the bondholders and the employees.

[Sea Dangles]

Don’t let the facts get in the way of the truth Wayne.
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[scottw]

this is great....

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is great....

They see the hat and run for a safe space.
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[PaulS]

So people have said that MAGA really means nothing more than support of Trump and that support has no racial aspect to it. If that is the case why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams. Seems like these students don't understand the true meaning of MAGA.

"A year and five days ago, I wrote for the first time about a phenomenon at high school games: white fans -- mainly students -- chanting "Trump" or waving Trump signs to try to initimidate opposing teams that had a larger nonwhite representation among its players. Alas, it's a trend that isn't abating -- reflecting other acts of cruelty by adults that have taken place as some white are emboldened by Donald Trump's presidential victory (and his executive actions against, for example, Muslims and immigrants) to lash out against minorities.

It's happening all over -- in the last few months, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa and Oklahoma. An Indiana coach blamed Trump's emboldening of racists for his black players being on the receiving end of racial slurs off the court."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So people have said that MAGA really means nothing more than support of Trump and that support has no racial aspect to it. If that is the case why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams. Seems like these students don't understand the true meaning of MAGA.

"A year and five days ago, I wrote for the first time about a phenomenon at high school games: white fans -- mainly students -- chanting "Trump" or waving Trump signs to try to initimidate opposing teams that had a larger nonwhite representation among its players. Alas, it's a trend that isn't abating -- reflecting other acts of cruelty by adults that have taken place as some white are emboldened by Donald Trump's presidential victory (and his executive actions against, for example, Muslims and immigrants) to lash out against minorities.

It's happening all over -- in the last few months, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa and Oklahoma. An Indiana coach blamed Trump's emboldening of racists for his black players being on the receiving end of racial slurs off the court."

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Earth to Paul...there are some jerks out there, some stupid people, some mean people, some racist people, and they are on both sides. We don't take their behavior, and hold accountable everyone who voted the same way they did.

If I see someone in a Red Sox hat kill someone, does that say anything about other Red Sox fans?

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.

He's not a good guy, not even close. But your side is trying to make him out to be much more. They said McCain was racist, and that Romney hated women. You lose credibility when you endlessly try to demonize everyone who is apolitical threat.

Can we ever talk about his policies? Ever? No one here disagrees that his behavior is disgusting. But he's not inciting racism.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Earth to Paul...there are some jerks out there, some stupid people, some mean people, some racist people, and they are on both sides. We don't take their behavior, and hold accountable everyone who voted the same way they did.No, but you can hold accountable people who are wearing MAGA hats who are yelling things that people can view as racist. After enough people in MAGA hats (not red hats, but red hats w/MAGA on them) yell racist things the data is credible enough to know that you are more likely to find a racist person who has a MAGA hat than you are in the general population w/o the hat. You're an actuary so you know that is true. It is not saying by any stretch that all MAGA wearing people are racist.

If I see someone in a Red Sox hat kill someone, does that say anything about other Red Sox fans?

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.past comments - sheethole countries, etc.

He's not a good guy, not even close. But your side is trying to make him out to be much more. They said McCain was racist, and that Romney hated women. You lose credibility when you endlessly try to demonize everyone who is apolitical threat. Who is "they"? Are you doing exactly what you just railed against in your 2nd sentence above?

Can we ever talk about his policies? Ever? No one here disagrees that his behavior is disgusting. But he's not inciting racism.

Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person who still has like 38% approval rating - which prob. translates into 90% of Republicans.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person who still has like 38% approval rating - which prob. translates into 90% of Republicans.

"but you can hold accountable people who are wearing MAGA hats who are yelling things that people can view as racist"

Fine. Hold THEM accountable. But don't transfer their guilt, to people who wear a similar baseball cap who aren't doing anything wrong. The hat is irrelevant. The person, and his actions, are what matter.

"the data is credible enough to know that some people wearing those hats are racist "

Agreed. But the hat doesn't make them racist, their actions do.

"you are more likely to find a racist person who has a MAGA hat than you are in the general population"

I don't concede that for a second.

"Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.past comments - sheethole countries, etc"

Did the kids claim that Trump made them do it? Or are you just speculating?

"Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person "

Because his policies are what actually matter, they are what effect us. And the alternative in the 2016 election, was also a vile disgusting person.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Because his policies are what actually matter, they are what effect us.

How much time was spent discussing Obama's mom jeans, his "treasonous" wearing of the brown suit, his disrespect for the White House bc he once put is feet up on the desk, his disrespect for the military/flag bc he saluted w/a cup of coffee in his hand, etc.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So people have said that MAGA really means nothing more than support of Trump and that support has no racial aspect to it. If that is the case why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams. Seems like these students don't understand the true meaning of MAGA.

"A year and five days ago, I wrote for the first time about a phenomenon at high school games: white fans -- mainly students -- chanting "Trump" or waving Trump signs to try to initimidate opposing teams that had a larger nonwhite representation among its players. Alas, it's a trend that isn't abating -- reflecting other acts of cruelty by adults that have taken place as some white are emboldened by Donald Trump's presidential victory (and his executive actions against, for example, Muslims and immigrants) to lash out against minorities.

It's happening all over -- in the last few months, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa and Oklahoma. An Indiana coach blamed Trump's emboldening of racists for his black players being on the receiving end of racial slurs off the court."

Paul, to clarify, I think words (from a POTUS) matter a great deal, and Trumps words are usually a grave disappointment to me. But he's not issuing a call to arms for racists (in fact he has decried racism countless times), there isn't (despite his disgusting words to the contrary) a lot of right wing violence with him paying for defense fees.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It's happening all over -- "

[PaulS]

And I thought this thread was about a member here who was nicknamed double standard for his always attempting to argue the exact opposite depending on whether it was a Rep. or a Dem. Hope he is ok as he hasn't been around for a while.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And I thought this thread was about a member here who was nicknamed double standard for his always attempting to argue the exact opposite depending on whether it was a Rep. or a Dem. Hope he is ok as he hasn't been around for a while.

it's too early to be drinking on a Thursday Paul

[Jim in CT]

Lastly Paul, some of the taunting by Trump supporters, is defensive. I'm so sick of the left trying to label us all as haters, that even I want to buy a MAGA hat and walk around the Wesleyan campus wearing it, saying "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah" to everyone. DO you really not see what the liberal politicians and the media have done to the level of discourse since they turned on Bush? Trump has taken it to new lows without doubt, but it's been a long long time since political discourse was ethical. Hilary's deplorables comment was a perfect example. Obama said "Republicans gotta stop just hating all the time".

I think conservatives got tired of getting hit below the belt, so they nominated someone who could win in the arena of dirty fighting.

That doesn't explain all of it, not even close. But there is some of that. I don't know many conservatives who don't feel that way. Look at what happened to Kavanaugh, look at what happened to the Covington kids, look at the questions NBC asked the Sandman kid (very challenging questions, painted him as the aggressor), and the stupid softball questions she asked Phillips.

It hasn't been fair for a few years. The conservatives finally took off the gloves and put on brass knuckles, and the left wasn't expecting it. And they can't deal with it, they thought only they were allowed to fight dirty.

[Sea Dangles]

Perhaps it is the message on the hat that makes these folks lose their minds. I just happen to think making America great again is a good thing. Others clearly are opposed to this concept and wil do anything to obstruct and malign this message of unity.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Perhaps it is the message on the hat that makes these folks lose their minds. I just happen to think making America great again is a good thing. Others clearly are opposed to this concept and wil do anything to obstruct and malign this message of unity.
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When did you think America wasn't great.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by PaulS

When did you think America wasn't great.

Apparently he listened to Trump’s inauguration speech
As George Bush said: That was some wierd #^&#^&#^&#^&
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Apparently he listened to Trump’s inauguration speech
As George Bush said: That was some wierd #^&#^&#^&#^&
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Ha, you are getting like Wayne. Thanks for attempting to crawl into my thoughts. Is this a new snowflake super power?
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

When did you think America wasn't great.

Paul, I am not hating on the country and never have. I will not threaten to leave or stomp my feet regardless of who is in power. I do see room for improvement however. This message is almost identical to the famous Michelle O’bama quote that liberals defended endlessly. Now that it is associated with a Republican,the liberals turn it into a message of hate and oppression.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Paul, I am not hating on the country and never have. I will not threaten to leave or stomp my feet regardless of who is in power. I do see room for improvement however. This message is almost identical to the famous Michelle O’bama quote that conservative media attacked mercilessly. Now that it is associated with a Republican,the liberals turn it into a message of hate and oppression.
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Fixed it for you

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Paul, I am not hating on the country and never have. I will not threaten to leave or stomp my feet regardless of who is in power. I do see room for improvement however. This message is almost identical to the famous Michelle O’bama quote that liberals defended endlessly. Now that it is associated with a Republican,the liberals turn it into a message of hate and oppression.
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No it isn't.

She clarified what she said. You said that "I just happen to think making America great again is a good thing" along with the attempted backhanded slap.

So, when did you think America wasn't great bc your statement clearly says America is/wasn't great at some point.

If you think like Jim said that we should alwayst try to be better, that is a different statement.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

No it isn't.

She clarified what she said. You said that "I just happen to think making America great again is a good thing" along with the attempted backhanded slap.

So, when did you think America wasn't great bc your statement clearly says America is/wasn't great at some point.

If you think like Jim said that we should alwayst try to be better, that is a different statement.

who cares if she clarified her statement, after she caught heat for saying it.

and if your issue with trumps slogan is the word “again”, how about obama’s slogan if hope
and change? doesn’t that imply that things are currently pretty damn bad? but it’s ok when obama says that currently, america stinks. and he cane up with that slogan way before the market crash, so it wasn’t that .

there’s the double standard.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

No it isn't.

She clarified what she said. You said that "I just happen to think making America great again is a good thing" along with the attempted backhanded slap.

So, when did you think America wasn't great bc your statement clearly says America is/wasn't great at some point.

If you think like Jim said that we should alwayst try to be better, that is a different statement.

I think there are a lot of ways to make improvements Paul,such as veterans services and health care etc. But personally,I feel the country struggled during the previous administration. There were instances where I thought feelings were put before national security and the world lost a lot of respect for the United States as a global superpower. Thanks for asking.
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[Cool Beans]

To hell with this... maybe we should just embrace the hate.. and admit that we on the right are all racists and all we want to do is kill all the minorities and Make America White Again......

No matter what any Republican or Conservative on here says... certain people will always use "their superior intellect" and "critical thinking" to change facts by using their feelings, emotions and huge brains into "new facts" that prove we are all Hitler loving racists. We all love Putin and Kim Jung Un... By wanting to protect our great country we are uncaring racists... Both parties have all promoted border security as major parts of their party, but only one side is racist...

Like I said before... We are living in the Twilight Zone........

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

To hell with this... maybe we should just embrace the hate.. and admit that we on the right are all racists and all we want to do is kill all the minorities and Make America White Again......

No matter what any Republican or Conservative on here says... certain people will always use "their superior intellect" and "critical thinking" to change facts by using their feelings, emotions and huge brains into "new facts" that prove we are all Hitler loving racists. We all love Putin and Kim Jung Un... By wanting to protect our great country we are uncaring racists... Both parties have all promoted border security as major parts of their party, but only one side is racist...

Like I said before... We are living in the Twilight Zone........

Maybe you should try using your "superior intellect" or "critical thinking" instead of always trying to insult people in your posts.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Maybe you should try using your "superior intellect" or "critical thinking" instead of always trying to insult people in your posts.

I don't remember calling or even inferring to your inferior in intellect, never called you a racist, occasionally I do admit that I have made jokes about Spence and his manhood... but that's about it.

I think I have done pretty well lately trying to explain why I think the way I do and have not called anyone names or insulting people. I just don't understand how you think the way you do....

When unemployment rates were too high, when health care costs went up instead of down like was promised, when I couldn't keep the same doctor, when every time white on black crime creates a riot or protest but not black on black or black on white, when tax rates were too high, when lack of border security is causing real problems both drugs and criminal. These are just a few things why America wasn't as Great as it used to be. None of these things that I feel are important to Make America Great Again are RACIST. Almost all of the policies and changes that the Trump Administration has put through are making America greater than it was. Not that long ago, anyone could wear any hat no matter what and it wouldn't cause that person to get beaten up or chased out of a place of business. It has become so bad now, that your whole life can be ruined by wearing a hat. Social media has made it exponentially worse.. a quick screenshot showing only part of a story and BOOM.... you are now getting death threats and your school has to close... WTF... this is INSANE....

[Pete F.]

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[Jim in CT]

so saying “make
america great again” is too negtive, as it implies the current situation isn’t great.

but a slogan of “hope and change”, is fine, somehow that doesn’t have a negative connotation about the current state of affairs.

i don’t get it. they both imply that the current situation needs fixing.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so saying “make
america great again” is too negtive, as it implies the current situation isn’t great.

but a slogan of “hope and change”, is fine, somehow that doesn’t have a negative connotation about the current state of affairs.

i don’t get it. they both imply that the current situation needs fixing.
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Again implies we aren't great at the moment, I don't see any other way to spin that.

"Hope" is just a positive, confident word. "Change" doesn't imply we aren't great but that we can do better. Improve access to healthcare, improve environmental responsibility, less war, a non-nuclear Iran, more equality for the LGBT community etc... pretty much all the stuff that Trump is working to reverse.

Now you could argue that in Trump's mind we weren't great under Obama for the types of changes he helped to usher in. So maybe MAGA really means kick people off of health insurance, trash the environment, more war, discriminate against the gay community etc...

So we can be great again if that's what great means to you. It certainly seems like that's what it means to Trump.