Fact check his speech if you dare

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Since he is clearly running on the economy, I find his lies about the differences between his and the past administration the most offensive. He hasn't created more jobs, wages when inflation is factored aren't higher, look at most recent past presidents and their growth rate is significantly higher, the lies just keep on coming. But I do know his base eats that stuff like candy, they don't care because they hate the democrats and want to hold on for four more years.

I new Pete would follow quickly, saves me typing, but some of the lies are just outrageous. The one about pre-existing conditions is ridiculous, since they have done everything legally they can possibly do to eliminate all aspects of Obama Care.

Carry on, nothing will change, the lies will continue and we will continue to be governed by tweet.

I think you meant knew.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Since he is clearly running on the economy, I find his lies about the differences between his and the past administration the most offensive. He hasn't created more jobs, wages when inflation is factored aren't higher, look at most recent past presidents and their growth rate is significantly higher, the lies just keep on coming. But I do know his base eats that stuff like candy, they don't care because they hate the democrats and want to hold on for four more years.

I new Pete would follow quickly, saves me typing, but some of the lies are just outrageous. The one about pre-existing conditions is ridiculous, since they have done everything legally they can possibly do to eliminate all aspects of Obama Care.

Carry on, nothing will change, the lies will continue and we will continue to be governed by tweet.

I agree with some of that. Would have been better if he said "while the previous administration inherited a mess and did a decent job bringing us back...I took a different approach by cutting taxes and eliminating regulations, and that has allowed us to improve meaningfully, far beyond what anyone thought was realistic." I'm not sure you can say that Obama's economic agenda was a failure. It wasn't nearly as robust as what we have now, but it wasn't a failure. The $750B "stimulus' was a pathetic failure, but that was one bill that flopped completely, even Obama later admitted so. . But As a whole, the economy was better when Obama left than what he inherited.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Since he is clearly running on the economy, I find his lies about the differences between his and the past administration the most offensive. He hasn't created more jobs, wages when inflation is factored aren't higher, look at most recent past presidents and their growth rate is significantly higher, the lies just keep on coming. But I do know his base eats that stuff like candy, they don't care because they hate the democrats and want to hold on for four more years.

I new Pete would follow quickly, saves me typing, but some of the lies are just outrageous. The one about pre-existing conditions is ridiculous, since they have done everything legally they can possibly do to eliminate all aspects of Obama Care.

Carry on, nothing will change, the lies will continue and we will continue to be governed by tweet.

Spot on. The constant bashing of prior admin. was childish and offensive. The lies were to be expected.

[Pete F.]

Trump has now tweeted/retweeted more about Pelosi's reaction to his speech than about the content of his own speech. Four times more.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by piemma

Pete F. You have too much time on your hands.

20 minutes

[Pete F.]

Human nature...we take action based on how we FEEL, not what we need.
Floridaman presides over $23 trillion of debt, $1 trillion budget deficit & a growing asset bubble.
We SHOULD care.
But we won’t until it bursts
( Floridaman knows this)
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Human nature...we take action based on how we FEEL, not what we need.
Floridaman presides over $23 trillion of debt, $1 trillion budget deficit & a growing asset bubble.
We SHOULD care.
But we won’t until it bursts
( Floridaman knows this)
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[Pete F.]

Five pages out of how many of lies, slurs and exaggerations from Putin's Puppet and his Reality TV show.

How many millions no longer have health care because Floridaman has NO plan?
How many thousands more troops in harm's way in the Middle East?
How many Children killed by gun violence every day?
How many more people are homeless each day?
How many children go without food?
How many bridges need to fall down because Floridaman is incapable of negotiation?

Those are some valid reasons to be afraid, or are you thinking the Trumplicans will imprison the opposition?
While Floridaman would surely love to, I would hope that the end is not that close for this country.

More likely that Floridaman is reelected and rides our country into the ground in the inevitable death throes of the business cycle having already spent all the available economic accelerators continuing the already long in the tooth expansion to get reelected, thus ending the Trumplican Party for decades and leaving us begging our former allies to trust us again.

[Sea Dangles]

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime

Thanks for putting us back where we belong,America 1st.
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[Got Stripers]

Math and statistics don't lie and that is what makes so many of Trumps claims flat out wrong, lies, grossly inaccurate or as you are fond of saying on almost any debate involving a questionable statement from Trump; it's just a matter of opinion. Funny thing about math 2+2 is always going to be 4.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Math and statistics don't lie and that is what makes so many of Trumps claims flat out wrong, lies, grossly inaccurate or as you are fond of saying on almost any debate involving a questionable statement from Trump; it's just a matter of opinion. Funny thing about math 2+2 is always going to be 4.

Almost all of these things are estimates, different people come up with different numbers. Those in the minority party always say these statistics cited at the SOTU are wrong. Always.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Math and statistics don't lie and that is what makes so many of Trumps claims flat out wrong, lies, grossly inaccurate or as you are fond of saying on almost any debate involving a questionable statement from Trump; it's just a matter of opinion. Funny thing about math 2+2 is always going to be 4.

Statistics, as Mark Twain said, are pliable. Pete F demonstrated that in the 10 "lies."

I suspect the 15,000 lies Trump has supposedly told are a result of much plying--a mish-mash concoction of twisted stats, Trump's errors, mistakes, opinions, exaggerations . . . I also suspect that if anyone was frivolous enough to search the number of such "lies" that Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Obama, CNN, MSNBC, Chris Matthews, Don Lemon, Any Cuomo, etc., applying the same standard applied to Trump of what is a lie, that all of those folks and entities, and just about any other politician, would have told many thousands of such "lies."

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Statistics, as Mark Twain said, are pliable. Pete F demonstrated that in the 10 "lies."

I suspect the 15,000 lies Trump has supposedly told are a result of much plying--a mish-mash concoction of twisted stats, Trump's errors, mistakes, opinions, exaggerations . . . I also suspect that if anyone was frivolous enough to search the number of such "lies" that Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Obama, CNN, MSNBC, Chris Matthews, Don Lemon, Any Cuomo, etc., applying the same standard of what is a lie, that all of those folks and entities, and just about any other politician, would have told many thousands of such "lies."

Nobody spins as good as you

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Nobody spins as good as you

My spin is so good that you are not able to show how it is wrong.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

My spin is so good that you are not able to show how it is wrong.

Pete might engage you in one of your circular debates because he has either not learned the spin away brings you back to the beginning where black and white are shades of gray and mere opinions. I have learned it’s pointless because it just goes on until either the person you debate with gets tired of the game or it is back to square one. The beauty of a game is you can choose not to play, but spin on brother.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Math and statistics don't lie and that is what makes so many of Trumps claims flat out wrong, lies, grossly inaccurate or as you are fond of saying on almost any debate involving a questionable statement from Trump; it's just a matter of opinion. Funny thing about math 2+2 is always going to be 4.

they all do it...quit whining

[Pete F.]

Trump turned the SOTU address into a game/reality TV show, complete with prizes. I'm surprised that he didn't throw loaves of bread (or paper towel rolls) out to his audience.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump turned the SOTU address into a game/reality TV show, complete with prizes. I'm surprised that he didn't throw loaves of bread (or paper towel rolls) out to his audience.

The SOTU has been that for years. The Founders never intended for anything other than that the President "shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” It wasn't meant to be a formal, yearly, presentation. And certainly not the political circus that it has been for many decades. Trump is just following the tradition that has been created by our self-serving politicians.

Considering that, Trump did an exemplary SOTU.

Of course, it is necessary for you to describe it as something like a Democrat pork show with sops for the pigs.

[Got Stripers]

Good try, but you can’t suck me in.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Good try, but you can’t suck me in.

That's good news . . . if it's true. No doubt there will be more threads coming that will test your resolve.