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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

which house members were captured and beaten to death?
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Luckily none, but listen to the tourists....ahh they were saying hang mike's pants....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

So a violent mob is within seconds of breeching the last doors and having full access to the House Chamber. Two armed police officers have their weapons drawn, then lower them and is over run. The insurrectionists capture and injure many House members, some with life threatening injuries or even beaten to death.

Imagine how that would go on your yearly performance review.

as for my poor performance review, Id justly get fired.

how come your side doesn’t hold
antifa or blm rioters to the same standard?

even just the appearance of consistent standards, would
go a long, long way towards healing the divide. because what i see, is a huge double standard. what i see, are elected democrats in dc encouraging the unrest when the rioters are fighting for a liberal cause. there aren’t many who do that, but there are some. and there are very few prominent democrats who go in tv and tell blm/antifa to knock it off. what i see, is people
saying the summer riots were mostly peaceful. any objective analysis would say they were a lot less peaceful, than the conservative thugs who rioted on january 6. in terms of deaths and property damage, there’s absolutely no comparison. none.
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1213744]as for my poor performance review, Id justly get fired.

how come your side doesn’t hold
antifa or blm rioters to the same standard?


Jim because we are not delusional.. but please keep running in a circle yelling what about Antifa and BLM

Ps get back to me when they try to overthrow the government based on a seditious lying Donald Trump the election was stolen nonsense

Also it’s odd cops killing unarmed citizens suddenly bothers you? Why is that .. ?
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[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1213751]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

as for my poor performance review, Id justly get fired.

how come your side doesn’t hold
antifa or blm rioters to the same standard?


Jim because we are not delusional.. but please keep running in a circle yelling what about Antifa and BLM

Ps get back to me when they try to overthrow the government based on a seditious lying Donald Trump the election was stolen nonsense

Also it’s odd cops killing unarmed citizens suddenly bothers you? Why is that .. ?
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cops unjustly using force always bothers me. we agree on that. blacks murdered by other blacks in gang violence also bothers me, but not you. That’s the difference. show me a post where you decry urban violence in america, which literally takes thousands of times as many lives as white cops. but the left spends all their time talking about cops.

i addressed your question head in. can you show me the same courtesy?

what was their plan, exactly, to overthrow the government? it makes zero sense, there’s zero evidence that was their goal.
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[Pete F.]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1213756]

Originally Posted by wdmso

cops unjustly using force always bothers me. we agree on that. blacks murdered by other blacks in gang violence also bothers me, but not you. That’s the difference. show me a post where you decry urban violence in america, which literally takes thousands of times as many lives as white cops. but the left spends all their time talking about cops.

i addressed your question head in. can you show me the same courtesy?

what was their plan, exactly, to overthrow the government? it makes zero sense, there’s zero evidence that was their goal.
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If that was not their goal, even though they chanted hang Mike Pence (odd, how a mob decided that) then perhaps you could explain the objective of the “tourists”?
Just a bunch of sightseers, wanting to assist the elected officials?
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1213756]

Originally Posted by wdmso

cops unjustly using force always bothers me. we agree on that. blacks murdered by other blacks in gang violence also bothers me, but not you. That’s the difference. show me a post where you decry urban violence in america, which literally takes thousands of times as many lives as white cops. but the left spends all their time talking about cops.

i addressed your question head in. can you show me the same courtesy?

what was their plan, exactly, to overthrow the government? it makes zero sense, there’s zero evidence that was their goal.
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Here we go with black on black-violence nonsense . it is a problem
But in an entirely different category then Police shooting unarmed black and brown people ..

When that happens all we ever hear is if they just complied they would be alive or do stupid things win stupid prizes…. But when Babbit got shot it was all outrage from the right none of the slogans used when police shoot unarmed blacks
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps you can explain what the goal of smashing her way in and crawling through a broken window was?

I don't have the power you seem to think you have of reading minds. Where do you get the notion that she was trying to "overthrow Democracy"? That's a very tall order. She was going to get rid of Democracy . . . by breaking through a window . . . unarmed? I'm fairly confident that Democracy would still be solidly around had she not been shot. So, what her specific, personal, goal was, I don't really know. And she's not available to answer that. From what the rioters seem to claim, they were trying to "stop the steal." It seems that they believed that Democracy was "overthrown" by election fraud. So it seems that in their minds they were trying to restore Democracy.

And there were probably other types who just wanted to create chaos for other reasons, political or ideological, from the "left" and "right."

Every one of the protesters would shoot me if I broke their door or window and was climbing through. Find me one who would not have stood their ground. I’ll wait.
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Wait forever if that floats your boat. I haven't commented on whether she should have been, or deserved to be, shot. You, obviously, think she should have been shot and that she deserved it.

I don't have a strong opinion on that. It seemed to me to be a bit of an overreaction. But I don't have enough info to make any claims on whether she should or shouldn't have been shot. I kind of go along with Jim's supposition that if the officer were white and she were black, the left would probably have made a fuss about it. Maybe not. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Wait forever if that floats your boat. I haven't commented on whether she should have been, or deserved to be, shot. You, obviously, think she should have been shot and that she deserved it.

I don't have a strong opinion on that. It seemed to me to be a bit of an overreaction. But I don't have enough info to make any claims on whether she should or shouldn't have been shot. I kind of go along with Jim's supposition that if the officer were white and she were black, the left would probably have made a fuss about it. Maybe not. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Of course because being the victim fits your narrative
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Of course because being the victim fits your narrative
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There you go with your phony labels. I never mentioned a "victim" nor did I say she was a "victim." But it's what you do. Conjecture, insinuate, label, lie.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

There you go with your phony labels. I never mentioned a "victim" nor did I say she was a "victim." But it's what you do. Conjecture, insinuate, label, lie.

Then what was she, what was her objective and how did she hope to accomplish it by crawling through a broken window?
Just a tourist?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Then what was she, what was her objective and how did she hope to accomplish it by crawling through a broken window?
Just a tourist?
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she was a crybaby rioter. please provide ANY facts to show that this group had any kind of collective plan?

do you ever stop making gibberish up?
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[Pete F.]

Weak man, runs when his false equivalents are exposed
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Then what was she, what was her objective and how did she hope to accomplish it by crawling through a broken window?
Just a tourist?
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I can't claim to know for sure what her objective was. She was probably misled into thinking that the rioters were going to somehow convince everybody that the election was stolen. Probably caught up in the enthusiasm for such an outcome, actually thinking that would happen. If so, she was obviously naive. But to claim that her goal was to "overthrow Democracy" is hyperbolic characterization most likely meant to paint her as an "insurrectionist" who was a hair's breath of overthrowing the government rather than a foolish rioter. Even your implication that she broke the window and smashed her way in is not correct. The window had already been removed and she didn't smash anything--other than her hope of seeing any kind of new victorious day, or any day at all.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I can't claim to know for sure what her objective was. She was probably misled into thinking that the rioters were going to somehow convince everybody that the election was stolen. Probably caught up in the enthusiasm for such an outcome, actually thinking that would happen. If so, she was obviously naive. But to claim that her goal was to "overthrow Democracy" is hyperbolic characterization most likely meant to paint her as an "insurrectionist" who was a hair's breath of overthrowing the government rather than a foolish rioter. Even your implication that she broke the window and smashed her way in is not correct. The window had already been removed and she didn't smash anything--other than her hope of seeing any kind of new victorious day, or any day at all.

and it’s ok when conservative rioters get shot to death by police without warning. it’s only a big deal when same happens to liberal rioters. if she was protesting for a liberal cause, we’d all know every detail
of what happened. as it is, no one in the media bothered to ask any questions, simply reporting she was an insurrectionist who got exactly what was coming to her.
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[Got Stripers]

If a group of drunk thieves are breaking into your home in spite of your warning your armed, you can protect yourself and your home by firing your weapon. This was a mob of angry rioters who refused warnings to stand down and were threatening to kill people, I think it is ridiculous the right is making her our to be an innocent victim. I also think it’s ridiculous for Jim or anyone else on this thread to ask anyone here to show them proof of any organized attempt to overthrow the government, what are we the FBI, the CIA, or inside the investigation ongoing? I think the jury is out, but Kevin Macarthy and others are fighting hard to avoid giving up their phone records, they probably have much to do with inciting the effort to support the big lie and push the weak minded sheep to the 6th effort to stop the steel.

[Pete F.]

I am looking forward to the "Jan 6th was a completely spontaneous demonstration of patriotism, not an attempt to overthrow the government, completely unrelated to today's identical demonstrations in Brazil attempting to overthrow the government, organized by the same people."
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[Pete F.]

"The president bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by mob rioters. He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding...And a fact-finding commission would be prudent."
-- Kevin McCarthy, January 13, 2021
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[wdmso]

This was posted on Parler The @TeamTrumpNews account, posted on the Parler social network, is written as though coming from the president himself. It said: “I have invoked the Insurrection Act of 1807, to address the treasonous rebellion conducted by Democrat & Republican lawmakers, CCP agents, the FBI, DOJ, CIA & others to undermine, corrode and dismantle the United States of America and its constitution. These entities pose a direct threat to national security. I will remain president indefinitely until all domestic enemies are arrested.”

MAGA figures like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, two prominent pro-Trump attorneys leading efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and even one North Carolina state lawmaker. Others like Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser who was recently pardoned for lying to the FBI, have made adjacent calls for Trump to impose martial law. The ideas have circulated in pro-Trump outlets and were being discussed over the weekend among the thousands of MAGA protesters who descended on state capitols and the Supreme Court to falsely claim Trump had won the election.

Michael Flynn suggested at a QAnon-affiliated event that a coup should happen in the U.S.

so a crowd gathered at the request of the POTUS a who refused to admit he lost the election lied about the reasons he lost , with bear gas poles rods stun guns zip ties pipes but the right suggest they we’re unarmed and had no plan ?

But Antifa shows up with Trash can lids umbrellas and fireworks dressed in black and BLM protest have missed spelled signs but are black and the Right call them armed and dangerous ? Ron Johnson says he might have been concerned for safety had Capitol rioters been BLM and Antifa

You can’t make this stuff up.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This was posted on Parler The @TeamTrumpNews account, posted on the Parler social network, is written as though coming from the president himself. It said: “I have invoked the Insurrection Act of 1807, to address the treasonous rebellion conducted by Democrat & Republican lawmakers, CCP agents, the FBI, DOJ, CIA & others to undermine, corrode and dismantle the United States of America and its constitution. These entities pose a direct threat to national security. I will remain president indefinitely until all domestic enemies are arrested.”

MAGA figures like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, two prominent pro-Trump attorneys leading efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and even one North Carolina state lawmaker. Others like Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser who was recently pardoned for lying to the FBI, have made adjacent calls for Trump to impose martial law. The ideas have circulated in pro-Trump outlets and were being discussed over the weekend among the thousands of MAGA protesters who descended on state capitols and the Supreme Court to falsely claim Trump had won the election.

Michael Flynn suggested at a QAnon-affiliated event that a coup should happen in the U.S.

so a crowd gathered at the request of the POTUS a who refused to admit he lost the election lied about the reasons he lost , with bear gas poles rods stun guns zip ties pipes but the right suggest they we’re unarmed and had no plan ?

But Antifa shows up with Trash can lids umbrellas and fireworks dressed in black and BLM protest have missed spelled signs but are black and the Right call them armed and dangerous ? Ron Johnson says he might have been concerned for safety had Capitol rioters been BLM and Antifa

You can’t make this stuff up.
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You guys go on, and on, and on...about how crazy it is that people deny they had a plan...but you never utter a syllable about what the plan was. Never one syllable.

"BLM protest have missed spelled signs"

That's it? Just mis-spelled signs? BLM protests never involved violence, looting, murder, arson, property damage...just mis-spelled signs.

If you want to be taken just a little seriously, you have to be a little more honest than that.

David Dorn was a 77 year-old, black, retired police captain who was murdered during BLM protests in ST Louis.

Here's an article from those right-wing nuts at CNN. In this one night of one protest, the Trumplicans at CNN say that 55 businesses were robbed and had property damage. They did all that, just by waving mis-spelled signs?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/st...orn/index.html

Then there's the famous CNN report of "mostly peaceful" protests while fires raged in the video...did they start those fires just by gently waving their signs?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5...deo-of-burning.

Heres the BLM protesters who burned a Wendys to the ground (not that Wendys did anything to them, of course...) The article doesn't say how they did that with nothing but mis-spelled signs.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1081126...ters-arrested/

It's just not possible to talk to you guys.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You guys go on, and on, and on...about how crazy it is that people deny they had a plan...but you never utter a syllable about what the plan was. Never one syllable.

The plan was to interrupt the certification in congress and continue to push the state lawsuits to throw the election results into jeopardy. It never really had a chance of working but you can't say they didn't try like hell. The message to the insurrectionists was simple, stop the steal.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The plan was to interrupt the certification in congress and continue to push the state lawsuits to throw the election results into jeopardy. It never really had a chance of working but you can't say they didn't try like hell. The message to the insurrectionists was simple, stop the steal.

and the evidence that this group of dummies had previously formulated that plan, is…???

Was the guy in the Chewbacca hat the leader?

Spence, remember a few years ago i. Wisconsin, Gov scott walker was about to sign union-busting legislation, and the lefties stormed the state capital? Were they insurrectionists? Or is there some logic by which it’s only a capital offense when conservatives do it?

Or The democrats in the TX state legislature who fled the state soecifically to hijack the democratic process that the voters freely chose, how do you describe them? you’d compliment them.

your aversion to those who interfere with the democratic process ( fair to say the Jan 6 rioters were attempting that) is quite selective. Which means it’s fake.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT;1213791

Spence, remember a few years ago i. Wisconsin, Gov scott walker was about to sign union-busting legislation, and the lefties stormed the state capital? Were they insurrectionists? Or is there some logic by which it’s only a capital offense when conservatives do it?

Or The democrats in the TX state legislature who fled the state soecifically to hijack the democratic process that the voters freely chose, how do you describe them? you’d compliment them.


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Some are comparing the U.S. Capitol riot to Wisconsin's Act 10 protests in 2011. Here are the key differences.

Wisconsin's Act 10 protests were overwhelmingly peaceful.

One top Republican official at the time noted there was no "malicious damage" to the statehouse and said most of the costs linked to the weeks-long protests were due to law enforcement overtime bills.

Thousands of people crowded inside the building every day, hanging posters on the walls and camping out in the rotunda and hallways.

Jan 6th A 70-year-old Alabama man had 11 Molotov cocktail devices "ready to go" in his truck when he was arrested during the breach and riot at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, the Montgomery Advertiser reported.


Jim your false equivalence just don’t stand up to a single google search but conservatives pushed that narrative from day one

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ge/6584619002/
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and the evidence that this group of dummies had previously formulated that plan, is…???

It was the Trump cabal's plan obviously. The insurrectionists were just following Trump's lead.

Spence, remember a few years ago i. Wisconsin, Gov scott walker was about to sign union-busting legislation, and the lefties stormed the state capital? Were they insurrectionists? Or is there some logic by which it’s only a capital offense when conservatives do it?

I remember that being a huge protest event but I don't recall any violence.

Or The democrats in the TX state legislature who fled the state soecifically to hijack the democratic process that the voters freely chose, how do you describe them? you’d compliment them.

Political gamesmanship.

your aversion to those who interfere with the democratic process ( fair to say the Jan 6 rioters were attempting that) is quite selective. Which means it’s fake.
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But your addiction to false equivalences is very real.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

The plan was to interrupt the certification in congress and continue to push the state lawsuits to throw the election results into jeopardy. It never really had a chance of working but you can't say they didn't try like hell. The message to the insurrectionists was simple, stop the steal.

Captain obvious isn’t Jim, use bigger font and maybe pictures of pretty colors to get him focused.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You guys go on, and on, and on...about how crazy it is that people deny they had a plan...but you never utter a syllable about what the plan was. Never one syllable.

"BLM protest have missed spelled signs"

That's it? Just mis-spelled signs? BLM protests never involved violence, looting, murder, arson, property damage...just mis-spelled signs.

If you want to be taken just a little seriously, you have to be a little more honest than that.

David Dorn was a 77 year-old, black, retired police captain who was murdered during BLM protests in ST Louis.

Here's an article from those right-wing nuts at CNN. In this one night of one protest, the Trumplicans at CNN say that 55 businesses were robbed and had property damage. They did all that, just by waving mis-spelled signs?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/st...orn/index.html

Then there's the famous CNN report of "mostly peaceful" protests while fires raged in the video...did they start those fires just by gently waving their signs?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5...deo-of-burning.

Heres the BLM protesters who burned a Wendys to the ground (not that Wendys did anything to them, of course...) The article doesn't say how they did that with nothing but mis-spelled signs.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1081126...ters-arrested/

It's just not possible to talk to you guys.

When the Department of Homeland Security released its Homeland Threat Assessment earlier this month, it emphasized that self-proclaimed white supremacist groups are the most dangerous threat to U.S. security. But the report misleadingly added that there had been “over 100 days of violence and destruction in our cities,” referring to the anti-racism uprisings of this past summer.

In fact, the Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.

Since 2017, we have been collecting data on political crowds in the United States, including the protests that surged during the summer. We have almost finished collecting data from May to June, having already documented 7,305 events in thousands of towns and cities in all 50 states and D.C., involving millions of attendees.

Because most of the missing data are from small towns and cities, we do not expect the overall proportions to change significantly once we complete the data collection.

We make two assumptions. First, when politicians and officials categorize the protests as violent, they are usually envisioning property destruction or interpersonal violence in which they infer that BLM protesters are attacking police, bystanders and property.

Second, using several measures to evaluate protest behavior offers a better assessment than the blanket term “violence.” For example, we disaggregate property destruction from interpersonal violence. We analyze separately the number of injuries or deaths among protesters and police. And we are thinking about how gathering even finer-grained data in the future could help further assign precise responsibility for violent acts.

Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters.

First, police made arrests in 5% of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5% of these events.

Protesters or bystanders were reported injured in 1.6 percent of the protests. In total, at least three Black Lives Matter protesters and one other person were killed while protesting in Omaha, Austin and Kenosha, Wis. One anti-fascist protester killed a far-right group member during a confrontation in Portland, Ore.; law enforcement killed the alleged assailant several days later.

Police were reported injured in 1% of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters.

The killings in the line of duty of other law enforcement officers during this period were not related to the protests.

Only 3.7% of the protests involved property damage or vandalism. Some portion of these involved neither police nor protesters, but people engaging in vandalism or looting alongside the protests.

In short, our data suggest that 96.3% of events involved no property damage or police injuries, and in 97.7% of events, no injuries were reported among participants, bystanders or police.

These figures should correct the narrative that the protests were overtaken by rioting and vandalism or violence.

Such claims are false. Incidents in which there was protester violence or property destruction should be regarded as exceptional – and not representative of the uprising as a whole.

[The Dad Fisherman]

They were Assault signs on illegal Bump Sticks. I think they used High Capacity paint sprayers when they made them too.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

They were Assault signs on illegal Bump Sticks. I think they used High Capacity paint sprayers when they made them too.
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that’s funny right there!

all those riots this summer, the worst thing he says anyone did, was to be in possession of signs with words spelled incorrectly. that was the most serious offense committed by any BLM protester that summer.

This is why i took a sabbatical from this forum, i’ll get back to that sabbatical, there’s just no point unless it’s rock hound.

TDF, hope you are well. My middle guy started boy scouts this year, he did a weeklong summer camp at a scout camp in CT and he absolutely loved it, came back dirty, exhausted, and confident, made a a lot of progress on his merit badges, including fishing.
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[Pete F.]

First, the attack on the Capitol was unmistakably an act of political violence, not merely an exercise in vandalism or trespassing amid a disorderly protest that had spiraled out of control. The overwhelming reason for action, cited again and again in court documents, was that arrestees were following Trump’s orders to keep Congress from certifying Joe Biden as the presidential-election winner. Dozens of arrestees, court records indicate, made statements explaining their intentions in detail on social media or in interviews with the FBI. “I am incredibly proud to be a patriot today,” wrote a 37-year-old man from Beverly Hills, California, “to stand up tall in defense of liberty & the Constitution, to support Trump & #MAGAforever, & to send the message: WE ARE NEVER CONCEDING A STOLEN ELECTION.”

[Pete F.]

We'll see

House Select Committee intends to subpoena records from social media companies, telecom companies (and possibly banks) under the The Patriot Act.

[wdmso]

Jim you still can’t separate a BLM protest from a Riot you talk as if they are one in the same . And this country has see civil unrest long before BLM protest turned violent. but we never saw a storming of the capital at the direction of the POTUS a to stop the certification of the election . You have made your position clear BLM and Antifa are a bigger threat to American then those who supported and stormed the capital on Jan 6th


So we’re the capital riots armed and dangerous ? Or not Because that’s my point you and others claim they weren’t

But we have the Truth problem ?
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