Rockhound, you out there?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Simple answer, double standard

[Pete F.]

"In the past week, Ohio saw a 44% increase in cases among school-aged children..

..[S]chool districts where masks are optional have seen a 54% week-over-week increase in cases, compared to a 34% spike in districts with mask requirements"
But………someone, somewhere did something 🦜💩
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"In the past week, Ohio saw a 44% increase in cases among school-aged children..

..[S]chool districts where masks are optional have seen a 54% week-over-week increase in cases, compared to a 34% spike in districts with mask requirements"
But………someone, somewhere did something 🦜💩
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i don’t care about case counts, i care how many kids are actually sick.

Pete, if you could live as before and get covid but have no symptoms, or wear a mask and live in a light version of isolation and not have covid, which would you prefer? Please tell me which you’d prefer?

i don’t see why Case counts matter. It’s a highly contagious virus ( with a low mortality rate except among seniors and those with co morbidities who must be protected), that isn’t going away anytime soon. Most of us are going to get it at some point. It all points to something we have to live with for a long time, like the flu. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that it’s going to be eradicated. that’s not happens with viruses, except smallpox i guess.

There’s also a lot of evidence to suggest ( and not much to refute) that those who had covid and now have natural antibodies, are several times better protected against covid, than those with antibodies from the vaccine. Meaning, there’s a potential big upside to getting covid, especially if like the overwhelming majority of folks, it doesn’t make you too sick.

Connecticut College, where two of
my brothers went, has a 100% vaccination rate. and they test students regularly. they’re seeing a lot of positive tests ( kids aren’t getting sick though ), so they locked down, cancelled sports, all classes are remote, cafeterias are grab and go. If a 100% vaccination rate doesn’t prevent a complete lockdown, what’s the point?

I don’t know that case counts are the thing to focus on. lots of us have had it and never knew it.




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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t care about case counts, i care how many kids are actually sick.

Pete, if you could live as before and get covid but have no symptoms, or wear a mask and live in a light version of isolation and not have covid, which would you prefer? Please tell me which you’d prefer? I'd just as soon, have my wife not get it since she has no spleen. It's not all about me.

i don’t see why Case counts matter. It’s a highly contagious virus ( with a low mortality rate except among seniors and those with co morbidities who must be protected), that isn’t going away anytime soon. Most of us are going to get it at some point. It all points to something we have to live with for a long time, like the flu. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that it’s going to be eradicated. that’s not happens with viruses, except smallpox i guess. We have largely eradicated Polio, tetanus, Flu, Hepatitis A+B, Rubella, Hib, Measles, Pertussis, Rotavirus, Mumps, Chickenpox, Diphtheria and Pneumococcal Disease and completely eradicated smallpox and rinderpest. Widespread vaccination is responsible for that.

There’s also a lot of evidence to suggest ( and not much to refute) that those who had covid and now have natural antibodies, are several times better protected against covid, than those with antibodies from the vaccine. Meaning, there’s a potential big upside to getting covid, especially if like the overwhelming majority of folks, it doesn’t make you too sick.Sure, if you already died from Covid you won't die again. Your odds are 11 times better to die if you are not vacc'd

Connecticut College, where two of
my brothers went, has a 100% vaccination rate. and they test students regularly. they’re seeing a lot of positive tests ( kids aren’t getting sick though ), so they locked down, cancelled sports, all classes are remote, cafeterias are grab and go. If a 100% vaccination rate doesn’t prevent a complete lockdown, what’s the point?Connecticut College's positivity rate was over 4% the week before last, they observed their protocol and the rate dropped back to less than 1%. Evidently it works

I don’t know that case counts are the thing to focus on. lots of us have had it and never knew it.
So, "lots of us" unwittingly or carelessly spread it to our friends, family and coworkers. That is exactly the point of distancing, wearing masks, etc.

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Case counts matter for drastic changes, for control they make little difference.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"In the past week, Ohio saw a 44% increase in cases among school-aged children..

..[S]chool districts where masks are optional have seen a 54% week-over-week increase in cases, compared to a 34% spike in districts with mask requirements"
But………someone, somewhere did something 🦜💩
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maybe the schools with the higher increase were in districts with more density....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

maybe the schools with the higher increase were in districts with more density....

that argument is limited to situations where it defends liberalism. didn’t you get the memo?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

maybe the schools with the higher increase were in districts with more density....

The pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator continues to just be clueless.

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Ohio is experiencing a surge of pediatric COVID-19 cases that puts it among the worst states for numbers of kids hospitalized with the illness.

Ohio has seen 466 hospitalized children with COVID-19 since July 1, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. There were 170 kids hospitalized for the illness during the first half of September alone in the state.

Nine children have died of COVID-19 in Ohio, according to state records.


Among the 10 most populous U.S. states, Ohio ranks fifth for hospitalized children with COVID-19 since July 1, according to HHS data. Number one is Florida with 3,198, followed by Texas (2,832), Georgia (1,883) and California (669).

There has been a definite, and fast, uptick in the number of very sick children with COVID-19 admitted to University Hospitals Rainbow Babies and Children’s Hospital, said Rainbow pediatric infectious disease specialist Dr. Amy Edwards.
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[Pete F.]

The Health Dept. says yes, the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees.

Additionally, the Dept. of Health says there were extra safety modifications in place for the event. Yes, everyone had to be fully vaxxed ... but they also had to have a verified negative COVID test within 48 hours of the show. Crew members were either fully vaccinated or recently tested as well.

Overall, the Public Health office says the Emmys reached out to share its safety protocols and they "exceeded the baseline requirements for television and film productions."

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Health Dept. says yes, the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees.
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well of course....and "outside" but inside a hermetically sealed tent is not "indoors"

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Health Dept. says yes, the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees.

Additionally, the Dept. of Health says there were extra safety modifications in place for the event. Yes, everyone had to be fully vaxxed ... but they also had to have a verified negative COVID test within 48 hours of the show. Crew members were either fully vaccinated or recently tested as well.

Overall, the Public Health office says the Emmys reached out to share its safety protocols and they "exceeded the baseline requirements for television and film productions."

Originally Posted by scottw

well of course....and "outside" but inside a hermetically sealed tent is not "indoors"

Reading Comprehension apparently is not a requirement to be the pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Reading Comprehension apparently is not a requirement to be the pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator

"the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions."

Clearly, the people at the Emmys were not breaking the law. That doesn't mean it makes any sense.

Pete, why do people in restaurants, and kid sin schools (vaccinated or not, negative test or not) have to wear masks, but people at the Emmys don't? What's the logic behind that law? Does the virus differentiate between vaccinated restaurant waiters and vaccinated TV producers? Is the virus deterred by having a Screen Actors Guild card?

Or is it because Hollywood is made up of very rich and politically well-connected folks?

In the summer of 2020, I couldn't go to a catholic mass. But I would be allowed to go to a BLM rally, stand shoulder to shoulder with maskless people screaming for dead cops. That was the law.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions."

Clearly, the people at the Emmys were not breaking the law. That doesn't mean it makes any sense.

Pete, why do people in restaurants, and kid sin schools (vaccinated or not, negative test or not) have to wear masks, but people at the Emmys don't? What's the logic behind that law? Does the virus differentiate between vaccinated restaurant waiters and vaccinated TV producers? Is the virus deterred by having a Screen Actors Guild card?

Or is it because Hollywood is made up of very rich and politically well-connected folks?
That would be a question for the LA county board of health

In the summer of 2020, I couldn't go to a catholic mass. You could outdoors or on Zoom, my wife has since the beginning of the pandemic till lately. But the UCC doesn't require you to go to church. But I would be allowed to go to a BLM rally, stand shoulder to shoulder with maskless people screaming for dead cops. That was the law.

Poor victim, probably as worried about that thin blue line as the guys in the Capitol on Jan 6th.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, why do people in restaurants, and kid sin schools (vaccinated or not, negative test or not) have to wear masks, but people at the Emmys don't? What's the logic behind that law? Does the virus differentiate between vaccinated restaurant waiters and vaccinated TV producers? Is the virus deterred by having a Screen Actors Guild card?

He already answered your question.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Reading Comprehension apparently is not a requirement to be the pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator

"L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees."


guess they could have just done it in the auditorium as usual then... and skipped the tent

if I lived in LA I'd identify as a "performer" whenever I head indoors without a mask

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

"L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees."


guess they could have just done it in the auditorium as usual then... and skipped the tent

if I lived in LA I'd identify as a "performer" whenever I head indoors without a mask What do you identify as here?

Well, if they did it indoors then they possibly would not have "exceeded the baseline requirements for television and film productions."

[Jim in CT]

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

That's just dripping with common sense.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

That's just dripping with common sense.

You apparently have no idea of what powers the President has, do you.

100% of the democrats in both houses are vaccinated.
Not sure if the Republicans will tell, it might be political suicide.

Here's the list of REQUIRED vaccines for Central Command, every one has different requirements.
And you get booted for not complying.

Anthrax
Schedule: 0,4w,6,12,18m + annual booster
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
Required for 15 or more days in theater.
Chickenpox
Schedule: 0, 4-8w (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Subcutaneous
Dose: 0.5ml
Required. Documentation must include one of the following: Born before 1980, history of disease, sufficient varicella titer, or administration of vaccine.
Hepatitis A
Schedule: 0, 6m (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 1-18 years, 0.5ml; >=19 years, 1 ml; Twinrix >=18 years, 1ml
Required.
Hepatitis B
Schedule: Engerix-B, Recombivax, Twinrix: 0,1,6m (3 dose)or Heplisav-B: 0,1m (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: Engerix-B or Recombivax: 0-19 years, 0.5ml; >=20 years, 1 ml; Twinrix >=18 years, 1ml; Heplisav-B >=18 years, 0.5mL
Required.
Influenza - Seasonal
Schedule: 1 dose annually
Route: Intramuscular, Intranasal
Dose: IM 0.5ml; Intranasal 0.2ml
Required.
M-M-R
Schedule: 2 lifetime doses or + serologic testing
Route: Subcutaneous
Dose: 0.5ml
Required. Documentation must include one of the following: Born before 1957, effective immunity by titer, or administration of two lifetime doses.
Pneumococcal
Schedule: High risk: 1 dose, Asplenic Only: 1 dose + 1 time booster if 5 yrs or greater since 1st dose
Route: Subcutaneous or Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
Required for high risk health conditions per ACIP.
Polio
Schedule: 1 dose as adult
Route: Subcutaneous or Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
For individuals traveling for > 4 weeks, vaccination required to be administered within 12 months of DEPARTURE FROM Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Rabies
Schedule: Pre-Exposure: 0,7,(21 or 28d) Booster: 2-5 yr (when titer drops >1:5)
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 1ml
Required for personnel at high risk for exposure IAW Service-Specific guidelines.
Tdap
Schedule: 1 lifetime dose of Tdap, Td boosters every 10 yrs. For adults who previously have not received a dose of Tdap, 1 dose should be given regardless of interval since last tetanus vaccine.
Route: Intramuscular (Tdap, Td, Tetanus Toxoid)
Dose: 0.5ml (Tdap, Td, Tetanus Toxoid)
Required.
Typhoid
Schedule: Injectable: every 2 yr; Oral: every 5 yr
Route: Intramuscular or Oral
Dose: IM 0.5ml; Oral, 4 capsules (day 1,3,5,7)
Required.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Executive Orders only cover the Executive Branch Jim.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

Jim 1 google search you would have that answered. more false info sent to your inbox or whatever site you saw it

The claim is false. Biden’s vaccine requirements were issued in the form of an executive order – directives that apply only to the executive branch. Congress is the legislative branch, and thus, is not subject to the order.

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

So what's being on welfare have to do with anything? other unless you think they are all black and have low vaccination rates ? the order clearly say businesses over 100 and federal contractors and employees

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

So a Navy seal should be allowed to not get the shot? But those 13 marines who were killed in a suicide bombing should have been allowed to refuse their lawful order? . its called a direct order like charge that machine gun nest . any anyone who doesn't want the shot or follow lawful orders in the military can find a new Job
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That's just dripping with common sense.

Sorry Jim its not dripping with common sense its dripping BS

and whats up with the welfare angle ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sorry Jim its not dripping with common sense its dripping BS

and whats up with the welfare angle ?

"Jim 1 google search you would have that answered."

If you can't handle my asking questions here, you can block me. OK? I did a search and didn't see anything.

"Congress is the legislative branch, and thus, is not subject to the order."

OK. So why isn't there a mandate for congress to be vaccinated, issued by anyone who has that authority? Or does no one have that authority?

"So what's being on welfare have to do with anything?"

WDMSO 1 google search you would have that answered (see what I did there?) WHy is it swell if you ask questions, but you get upset when I do it?

To answer your question, if getting the vaccine is such a vital civic responsibility that Biden is ordering employers to enforce it, why not ask the same of welfare recipients, who get paid by all of us? If i have to get the shot in order to keep my paycheck coming in, why don't they? They should be held to a higher standard, because I'm working to get my paycheck, my paycheck isn't funded my confiscating other people's money.

"So a Navy seal should be allowed to not get the shot? "

Again, 1 simple google search, and you'd have the answer (see what I did there - again?).

I don't have a problem with anyone not taking the shot who has had covid and therefore has natural antibodies which many say are far superior to the vaccine's antibodies. These are some of the healthiest people on the planet, I don't suppose there's a lot of co-morbities there.

"its called a direct order like charge that machine gun nest . any anyone who doesn't want the shot or follow lawful orders in the military can find a new Job"

If the order is lawful, that's a good point, like getting the immunization cocktail. Very good point. I meant to say (but didn't say), I'm talking about military members who have already had covid and are chock full of natural (superior) antibodies.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I don't have a problem with anyone not taking the shot who has had covid and therefore has natural antibodies which many say are far superior to the vaccine's antibodies.

I don't believe the scientific community would agree with this. From what I've read natural immunity is around 80% with the vaccines closer to 95%. Hence why they recommend people who have had Covid still get vaccinated.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't believe the scientific community would agree with this. From what I've read natural immunity is around 80% with the vaccines closer to 95%. Hence why they recommend people who have had Covid still get vaccinated.

i believe that then only reason why i made the statement, is because of all the scientists i’ve seen who said exactly that.

Is science.org part of the scientific community?

https://www.science.org/content/arti...-remains-vital

but like everything, there are experts on both sides. so who knows.
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[Pete F.]

Might I suggest a Midol, I’ve heard they can offer some relief.
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[Pete F.]

Here’s some first class logic

The Tennessee state government now recommends vaccinated residents be denied access to monoclonal antibody treatment to preserve supplies for those who are unwilling to get vaccinated and remain most vulnerable by their own choice.
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[scottw]

I'm glad they got their night to celebrate each other...the pandemic has been particularly difficult for the elite...they probably didn't even get stimulus checks

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm glad they got their night to celebrate each other...the pandemic has been particularly difficult for the elite...they probably didn't even get stimulus checks

Yes it's very rare that they all get to get dressed up and tell each other how awesome they are. Never happens.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here’s some first class logic

The Tennessee state government now recommends vaccinated residents be denied access to monoclonal antibody treatment to preserve supplies for those who are unwilling to get vaccinated and remain most vulnerable by their own choice.
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if you are vaccinated you shouldn't need the monoclonal antibodies...right?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

if you are vaccinated you shouldn't need the monoclonal antibodies...right?

The pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator continues true to form.

Governor Greg Abbott, R-Texas, received the antibody treatment by Regeneron despite being fully vaccinated with no symptoms. In short, the 63-year-old governor hoped to prevent severe infection and a hospital visit after being infected with Covid.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here’s some first class logic

The Tennessee state government now recommends vaccinated residents be denied access to monoclonal antibody treatment to preserve supplies for those who are unwilling to get vaccinated and remain most vulnerable by their own choice.
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using your logic, isn’t that a question for the state of Tennessee health officials?

You’ll comment when red states drop the ball. you cower when bluebstates do the same.

Make. That. Wrong.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

using your logic, isn’t that a question for the state of Tennessee health officials?

You’ll comment when red states drop the ball. you cower when bluebstates do the same.

Make. That. Wrong.
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I’ll wait for the reporting on the thinking behind that decision, it was pretty clear on the Emmy issue even though you couldn’t comprehend or didn’t like it.

Declaring that if you are vaccinated no further treatment is allowed is unspeakably horrific.
So much for personal responsibility.
Perhaps States that have overloaded hospitals due to low vaccination rates should just turn away patients in car accidents or critical health issues.
There are hospitals doing Triage, making those choices and excess deaths are growing again in those states.
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