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Old 01-20-2013, 11:24 AM   #61
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I believe the 50% hematacrit threshold testing was started in 1997. It was EPO at that time they couldn't detect yet. And as you've noted, now they test for plastic chemicals (clenbutyerol or something?) in the blood bags. According to Contador it's very common in beef



Did you read the Tyler Hamilton book? It was pretty interesting.

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Clenbuterol is a steroid used to treat asthma and bronchitis, but unlike albuterol, its usage by athletes is totally prohibited. Can't get a medical exemption for it. It increases RBC count, too.

You could theoretically ingest it by eating tainted meat. The more likely explanation for Contador's little ooopsie is that it was a ghost positive. That is, Alberto was glowing when he had a pint withdrawn, and re-infused it in the later stages of the Tour that year. That would explain why only trace amounts were found.

They can also detect plastic particulates from blood bags now, too.

I haven't got around to reading that yet, but the reviews look good.

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Old 01-20-2013, 12:13 PM   #62
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Yes, I'm mixing it up with the plasticizer I believe he also was accused of testing positive for.

If you follow cycling the Hamilton book is interesting. I think I read the entire book on two flights, it's not deep material.

What's astonishing is that even if some of the book isn't accurate the rest is still pretty crazy and from what we've seen in the USADA report is likely accurate.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:25 PM   #63
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Yes, I'm mixing it up with the plasticizer I believe he also was accused of testing positive for.

If you follow cycling the Hamilton book is interesting. I think I read the entire book on two flights, it's not deep material.

What's astonishing is that even if some of the book isn't accurate the rest is still pretty crazy and from what we've seen in the USADA report is likely accurate.
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According to what I've read, the co-author only included thing that he could verify independently of Hamilton.

Going back to that 25 km finishing time trial in 1989, LeMond made some tactical decisions that gave him the win, independently of the extraordinary effort. He decided that he wouldn't get his interval splits from his team car, preferring to just ride blind. The course was primarily downhill, and while it was downwind, there was also a quartering tail wind. So he decided to only have a solid disc wheel on the rear, keeping a conventional spoked wheel on the front, which he thought would be more stable in that cross wind. He also fitted his bike with aero bars. Fignon's team lodged a grievance, but the governing body approved their use. Instead of adding aero bars himself, Fignon rode with conventional drop bars. He also had a solid disc wheel on the front, which might have resulted in him expending more effort in holding a line. LeMond also wore an aero helmet, while Fignon rode bare headed. Fignon had long hair and tied it into a ponytail. Although I don't put much stock in the theory, some pundits claim that it added enough drag to affect the outcome.

If picture is worth 1000 words, this one is an encyclopedia. You can see how devastated Fignon was at his loss.

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Old 01-22-2013, 06:07 PM   #64
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the lance armstrong story is of a guy who against all odds beat cancer and then to take it even further became an amazing athlete and win more TDF races than anyone. he was the best of the best. Thats what 99% of the Americans walking around believed and the story they knew. its all that I knew about the guy but it was a story I loved. The guy was a f'in hero. Many of you said - everyone knew he was doping - thats crap, average people that knew of armsotrong had no idea. They, like me only knew lance the hero. Lance the hero is what propelled livestrong, its what enabled his charity and all the branding. Period - lance the hero.
Well, lance the hero is a fraud, he won by cheating. he is just a guy that beat cancer, many do. they dont create a story for themselves and lie. Lance the hero was the inspiration to people, the whole package, not just the TDF wins, they whole story is what made him special and enabled his success.
Some of Madoffs investors redeemed with a profit and actually made money. Hamas does amazing things for palistinians but also blows up babies. the end DOES NOT justify the means. His lies will hurt more people than any good he created. DOOOOSHH BAAAAG !
Tiger Woods lied to his wife, his business is not mine. Last I checked he is still golfing, no? Lance planning any races anytime soon?

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Old 01-22-2013, 09:33 PM   #66
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Tiger Woods lied to his wife, his business is not mine. Last I checked he is still golfing, no? Lance planning any races anytime soon?
Rumors about Tiger and HGH have been out there for quite a few years, now. Just sayin'. Guy went from being whipcord thin to ripped.

There are many who believe that this whole "confessing" thing is part of a plan to get re-instated. Not in pro cycling, but in triathalon. Lance thinks he can contend for the Ironman title. He may be right. He'd dominate the cycling stage, even in his mid-40s. He was gearing up for a crack at it before all the #^&#^&#^&#^& hit the fan.

He competed in triathalons before he became a pro cyclist.

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something to be said about coming out after all this. I think you hit Mike.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:46 AM   #68
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i experiment with many performance enhancing Vitamins but don't mess with "whoremoans" because they can cause weird side effects.
I have successfully discovered a formula that turns limp wood to Tigerwood but not petrified wood that hurts for 4 hours.

Does that make me not a hero...i think not...and it's ALL
perfectly legal.

My Cardio Echo exam yesterday indicates that i am right on the money and ahead of the Game.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:33 AM   #69
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EPO can make your blood the consistency of molasses, and cause a stroke. More than one athlete has died from taking too much. Usually happens in their sleep, when the body's metabolism slows. The same is true of adding extra blood to a full tank.

While it's true that there is no causal link between steroids/HGH and testicular cancer, there is some evidence that excess HGH can speed the metastisis of cancer to other organs. Lance's cancer had spread from his nuts to his brain.

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Just finished watching the segment on 60 Minutes dealing with Lance Armstrong. As much as I wanted to think well of the guy, his culpablity is far more pervasive than I ever would have imagined. It's so much more than just an individual athelete trying to beat the odds.
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Rumors about Tiger and HGH have been out there for quite a few years, now. Just sayin'. Guy went from being whipcord thin to ripped.

There are many who believe that this whole "confessing" thing is part of a plan to get re-instated. Not in pro cycling, but in triathalon. Lance thinks he can contend for the Ironman title. He may be right. He'd dominate the cycling stage, even in his mid-40s. He was gearing up for a crack at it before all the #^&#^&#^&#^& hit the fan.

He competed in triathalons before he became a pro cyclist.
Agreed. He is doing the "I did bad, now how long will it take to forgive me?" routine.

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Just finished watching the segment on 60 Minutes dealing with Lance Armstrong. As much as I wanted to think well of the guy, his culpablity is far more pervasive than I ever would have imagined. It's so much more than just an individual athelete trying to beat the odds.
You could include fraud ($90 mil from USPS contract ie. taxpayers), witness tampering, intimidation, and ruining people's careers/lives.

I wonder how much Sheryl Crow knew, and when she knew.... Think that might have been the reason she and Lance split?
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I watched the 60 Minutes segment too....if all that chit turns out to be true, he's a SUPER doosh!

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some of the stories going around and the secret methods employed like transfusions
while lying down on the floor of the bus are quite remarkable.
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You could include fraud ($90 mil from USPS contract ie. taxpayers), witness tampering, intimidation, and ruining people's careers/lives.

I wonder how much Sheryl Crow knew, and when she knew.... Think that might have been the reason she and Lance split?
It was only $30 million that USPS spent to fund the cycling team over the years, and I think that the team was in existence before Lance started winning TdFs. Lance rode for the Discovery team for at least his last yellow jersey. In his two comeback years, 2009/2010, he rode for Astana in 2009, and Radio Shack in 2010.

The $90 million comes from the fact that in a qui tam whisteblower suit, the court can award triple damages.

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Rumors about Tiger and HGH have been out there for quite a few years, now. Just sayin'. Guy went from being whipcord thin to ripped.
It well could have precipitated the emotional collapse in Florida, the extended use of it that is.

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some of the stories going around and the secret methods employed like transfusions
while lying down on the floor of the bus are quite remarkable.

Not transfusions, but he washed his blood in a dialysis machine everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!

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