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03-18-2014, 09:11 AM
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This is why they have no cell service
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03-18-2014, 10:10 AM
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any time there's electromagnetic interference
from an electromagnetic pulse weapon
or any other source ...nothing works anymore
that could be an explanation of why the pilot was flying
such a crazy pattern if it wasn't a deliberate act
of hijacking the aircraft
same thing happened to 8 of our own navy pilots
a long long time ago after some planes went missing and they
were the search squad....NONE of them were ever found again.
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03-18-2014, 10:28 AM
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Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
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03-18-2014, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
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One would think that the first thing that the pilot would do is notify the tower that THERE WAS A FIRE ON BOARD...
I think that this was a pilot suicide event due to his political beliefs to bring attention to the opposition party. I also think that the Malaysian government has known this all along and is a reason why it was so slow to release information.. |
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03-18-2014, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
One would think that the first thing that the pilot would do is notify the tower that THERE WAS A FIRE ON BOARD...
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There's nothing ground control can do to help at that instant. I'd think their energy would be focused on where the aircraft was going and addressing the issue. If it was a bad fire you could have perhaps a few minutes.
I'm sure there's a pretty standard process they train for in these situations.
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03-18-2014, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
There's nothing ground control can do to help at that instant. I'd think their energy would be focused on where the aircraft was going and addressing the issue. If it was a bad fire you could have perhaps a few minutes.
I'm sure there's a pretty standard process they train for in these situations.
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They've reported that the very first thing ingrained in pilots when an emergency occurs is to communicate the issue to ground control (especially when manually shuttting systems down). I'm not a pilot so I can't confirm but it's been reported numerous times so far.
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03-18-2014, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Piscator
They've reported that the very first thing ingrained in pilots when an emergency occurs is to communicate the issue to ground control (especially when manually shuttting systems down). I'm not a pilot so I can't confirm but it's been reported numerous times so far.
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Ha, I read just the opposite 
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03-18-2014, 11:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Piscator
They've reported that the very first thing ingrained in pilots when an emergency occurs is to communicate the issue to ground control (especially when manually shuttting systems down). I'm not a pilot so I can't confirm but it's been reported numerous times so far.
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Nope.
Aviate, navigate then communicate.
That puts ATC Last.
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Spence beat me to it. What may further be an issue with communications is if they were switching over to HF radio. |
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03-18-2014, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
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I see you read Business Insider
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03-18-2014, 11:52 AM
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I see you read Business Insider
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Article was on Wired but I believe BI posted it this morning.
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03-18-2014, 01:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
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There's one major flaw in that theory. The tire/landing gear wells aren't pressurized, and at 35,000' there's not enough ambient oxygen in the atmosphere to keep tires burning. Every so often, a clueless stowaway gets the stupid idea to crawl into a wheel well while a plane is on the ground. Once the plane takes off and the gear is retracted, they die from hypoxia, well before they die from hypothermia. Their bodies fall like a block of ice to the ground when the gear is lowered on the final approach. |
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03-18-2014, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike P
There's one major flaw in that theory. The tire/landing gear wells aren't pressurized, and at 35,000' there's not enough ambient oxygen in the atmosphere to keep tires burning. Every so often, a clueless stowaway gets the stupid idea to crawl into a wheel well while a plane is on the ground. Once the plane takes off and the gear is retracted, they die from hypoxia, well before they die from hypothermia. Their bodies fall like a block of ice to the ground when the gear is lowered on the final approach.
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Reasonable point, although I'd suspect a tire that ignited on takeoff could burn at least until 10,000 feet. By that point it could have spread?
I've heard of tires igniting on landing but never on take off...who knows.
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03-18-2014, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Reasonable point, although I'd suspect a tire that ignited on takeoff could burn at least until 10,000 feet. By that point it could have spread?
I've heard of tires igniting on landing but never on take off...who knows.
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90% of the time, that's the brakes getting overheated and igniting the tire. In take-off, the brakes aren't being applied. Airlines use pure nitrogen in the tires, too, not compressed air, to decrease the chances of a tire fire.
As far as climbing to 45,000', I would say that an hour after take-off with full fuel, it couldn't climb that high. You'd have to burn off a lot of fuel first. If there was even the slightest chance of a fire, the last thing they would do is dump fuel. The 777 has a rated service ceiling of 41,000'. |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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03-19-2014, 10:50 AM
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Guess what...
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"The life of everyone on board depends upon just one thing: finding someone back there who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."
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03-18-2014, 10:34 AM
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Remember Paine Stewart . The plane climbed to 65k . Is this not plausible here also ?
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03-18-2014, 11:16 AM
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Navigate then communicate.
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03-18-2014, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Navigate then communicate.
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If I remember it was aviate, navigate then communicate.
The "incident" appears to have happened as they were passing off to Thai controllers. That could have contributed confusion.
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03-18-2014, 11:31 AM
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Good thing I'm not a pilot!
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03-18-2014, 12:57 PM
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I hope that is what happened. If that's the case, they should be able to tow a side scan along that flight path and eventually find the plane sitting on the bottom. E v e n t u a l l y.
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03-18-2014, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
I hope that is what happened. If that's the case, they should be able to tow a side scan along that flight path and eventually find the plane sitting on the bottom. E v e n t u a l l y.
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Eventually... very deep water along that flight path... |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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03-18-2014, 08:47 PM
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Eventually... very deep water along that flight path...
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Not sure they'd ever find it. With a deep water search there would have to be some value to justify the process.
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03-18-2014, 02:38 PM
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And then there is the lithium batteries in the cargo hold that has downed other planes before...
A fire is very plausible.
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03-18-2014, 07:25 PM
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would a jetliner that sank to very deep depths
and then imploded leave no trace evidence or debris?
that is something to think about
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03-18-2014, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven
would a jetliner that sank to very deep depths
and then imploded leave no trace evidence or debris?
that is something to think about
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I think there will be debris eventually; seat cushions and such |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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03-19-2014, 11:36 AM
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I believe the plane made two course changes after passing the "closest airport"
So someone was at the controls
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03-19-2014, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
I believe the plane made two course changes after passing the "closest airport"
So someone was at the controls
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Yes, there was another good article today that trashed the smoke theory...
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03-19-2014, 09:10 PM
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Pakistan??
Would be a very long shot but just feels like there's a lot being held back for good reason...
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03-19-2014, 11:02 PM
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looks like the Australians think they found it
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my 1st wife didn't like me fishing so much
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03-19-2014, 11:10 PM
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looks like the Australians think they found it
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Not sure about that yet...but I hope for the families they can close the loop.
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