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Jim in CT · 07-13-2018, 05:39 AM

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How many classes do you think Alan Dershowitz’s Taught at Harvard law ?

you are completely missing the point. Dershowitz isn’t cashing huge checks on friday morning, then going on tv that afternoon and attacking banks for making profits off the cost of college. that’s the difference, and it’s a huge difference.

harvard is a private school, they don’t force anyone to do anything. if students want to choose to borrow 250k to line Warrens pockets, that’s their choice, that has absolutely nothing to do with me. nothing.

but when Warren goes on tv and uses her platform as a us senator to tell bankers that it’s wrong for THEM to take money from college students, then we should all call her out for being the hypocrite that she is. she obviously doesn’t believe it’s wrong to profit off of college students seeking an education.

you cannot begin to make that wrong, you just can’t. her salary isn’t the issue, it’s the obvious hypocrisy that’s the issue. you can’t see that?

tell me why i’m wrong. pointing out that trump is rich isn’t refuting my point.
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Pete F. · 07-13-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you are completely missing the point. Dershowitz isn’t cashing huge checks on friday morning, then going on tv that afternoon and attacking banks for making profits off the cost of college. that’s the difference, and it’s a huge difference.

harvard is a private school, they don’t force anyone to do anything. if students want to choose to borrow 250k to line Warrens pockets, that’s their choice, that has absolutely nothing to do with me. nothing.

but when Warren goes on tv and uses her platform as a us senator to tell bankers that it’s wrong for THEM to take money from college students, then we should all call her out for being the hypocrite that she is. she obviously doesn’t believe it’s wrong to profit off of college students seeking an education.

you cannot begin to make that wrong, you just can’t. her salary isn’t the issue, it’s the obvious hypocrisy that’s the issue. you can’t see that?

tell me why i’m wrong. pointing out that trump is rich isn’t refuting my point.
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Are her horrible statements things like this?
Thank you, thank you. As Barry mentioned, before I was a Senator, I was a law professor. What
he didn’t say is that I taught contracts, secured transactions, and bankruptcy – all courses related
to the functioning of competitive markets. I love markets! Strong, healthy markets are the key to
a strong, healthy America.
That’s the reason I am here today. Because anyone who loves markets knows that for markets to
work, there has to be competition. But today, in America, competition is dying. Consolidation
and concentration are on the rise in sector after sector. Concentration threatens our markets,
threatens our economy, and threatens our democracy.
Evidence of the problem is everywhere. Just look at banking. For years, banks have been in a
feeding frenzy, swallowing up smaller competitors to become more powerful and, eventually,
too big to fail.1
The combination of their size, their risky practices, and the hands-off policies of
their regulators created a perfect storm, resulting in the worst financial crisis in 80 years. We
know that excessive size and interconnectedness promotes risky behavior that can take down our
economy – and yet, today, eight years after that financial crisis, three out of the four biggest
banks in America are even bigger than they were before the crisis and two months ago five were
designated by both the Fed and the FDIC as “too big to fail.”
2
The concentration problem—and particularly the idea of “too big to fail” in the financial
sector—gets a lot of attention. But the problem isn’t unique to the financial sector. It’s hiding in
plain sight all across the American economy.
You can read the whole thing
https://www.warren.senate.gov/files/...ust_Speech.pdf

spence · 07-13-2018, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

tell me why i’m wrong.
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Because you're just wrong.

First off universities are non-profit organizations. Second, Harvard has an endowment of 38 billion dollars, about 1/2 of their students don't even pay much if any tuition. 400k for an esteemed professor of her stature at one of the top schools in the world isn't in any way out of line.

If you'd bother to actually read what Warren was professing you'd see she's argued the government should underwrite student loans at a rate similar to what the banks get to borrow for to minimize profit either by private lenders or government profit.

It may not be a silver bullet to solve the cost of higher education but it's in no way hypocritical at all.

TheSpecialist · 07-13-2018, 11:09 AM

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Because you're just wrong.

First off universities are non-profit organizations. Second, Harvard has an endowment of 38 billion dollars, about 1/2 of their students don't even pay much if any tuition. 400k for an esteemed professor of her stature at one of the top schools in the world isn't in any way out of line.

If you'd bother to actually read what Warren was professing you'd see she's argued the government should underwrite student loans at a rate similar to what the banks get to borrow for to minimize profit either by private lenders or government profit.

It may not be a silver bullet to solve the cost of higher education but it's in no way hypocritical at all.

If the first paragraph of you statement is true, why does it cost north of 50 k for a year at Harvard? Why are so many people scrambling to save for or take out loans for secondary education?

Do you think it one for a professor to make 400k for a year and a half of teaching, then complain when she is done professing that college is too expensive, and then blaming it on banks?

The universities set the price of tuition not banks, if people want to go to school that bad and can't afford it they get loans.

Just like everything else that's costs money in the world, no one is forcing you to buy a house or that new truck and finance it, it is your decision. If you don't like the loan terms you shop around

spence · 07-13-2018, 11:21 AM

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If the first paragraph of you statement is true, why does it cost north of 50 k for a year at Harvard? Why are so many people scrambling to save for or take out loans for secondary education?

All the top schools are above 50k these days. The difference is they've been able to use their stature and benefactors to create large endowments to offset tuition to get the best students.

Harvard actually has less students graduating with debt than just about another elite university.

Jim in CT · 07-13-2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Because you're just wrong.

First off universities are non-profit organizations. Second, Harvard has an endowment of 38 billion dollars, about 1/2 of their students don't even pay much if any tuition. 400k for an esteemed professor of her stature at one of the top schools in the world isn't in any way out of line.

If you'd bother to actually read what Warren was professing you'd see she's argued the government should underwrite student loans at a rate similar to what the banks get to borrow for to minimize profit either by private lenders or government profit.

It may not be a silver bullet to solve the cost of higher education but it's in no way hypocritical at all.

the university is non profit. warren wasn’t a volunteer. she made a fortune, but claims banks cannot do the same. please explain the difference.
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spence · 07-13-2018, 04:25 PM

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the university is non profit. warren wasn’t a volunteer. she made a fortune, but claims banks cannot do the same. please explain the difference.
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Ok Jim. If you're making a large profit and paying employees and then spreading the profits to shareholders...it's not the same thing as paying employees for their work and using the excess to improve the institution and pay for students that can't afford a world class education but who have qualifications that deserve it.

Pete F. · 07-13-2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the university is non profit. warren wasn’t a volunteer. she made a fortune, but claims banks cannot do the same. please explain the difference.
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This is what she has concerns about
How universities, banks and the government turned student debt into America’s next financial black hole
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...windle-124484/
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Nebe · 07-12-2018, 06:34 AM

Meanwhile the current president created a bogus university and ripped off everyone, was sued and LOST the suit. Yet no one cares
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JohnR · 07-12-2018, 07:43 AM

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Meanwhile the current president created a bogus university and ripped off everyone, was sued and LOST the suit. Yet no one cares
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This is a good point. Between Loser Trump's Failed Fake University, Chief Sh!tt!ng Bull's 400k Class and fake Diversity CheckMark, and with the Moscow Frau's Burlington College, Higher Ed should be very wary of Politicians

Sea Dangles · 07-12-2018, 08:18 AM

Obviously a very accomplished twat who knows how to get things done.
She still lied about her heritage,that is not going away.
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wdmso · 07-12-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Obviously a very accomplished twat who knows how to get things done.
She still lied about her heritage,that is not going away.
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Did she lie ?? I have seen no evidence she lied or any evidence she's telling the truth

all I have seen is accusations not evidence (isn't that the right stance in the Russian investigation show me the evidence )

I did see this...

a genealogist traced Warren's Native American heritage to the late 19th century, which, if true, would make her 1/32 Native American.

So even with a DNA Test the right wouldn't believe Her anyway so why even ask ?

The Dad Fisherman · 07-12-2018, 08:53 AM

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Did she lie ?? I have seen no evidence she lied or any evidence she's telling the truth

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-native-ameri/

"I listed myself (in the) directory in the hopes that might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group something, with people who are like I am," Warren told reporters May 3, 2012. "Nothing like that ever happened. That was absolutely not the use for it and so I stopped checking it off."

"Warren’s campaign team could never uncover any documents that confirmed Native American heritage in her family."

"The New England Historic Genealogical Society also could not find any."

"We have no proof that Elizabeth Warren's great-great-great-grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith either is or is not of Cherokee descent,' society spokesman Tom Champoux told the Herald for a May 2012 story. (When we called the society, a spokesman said we should look at its statements from 2012.)"

wdmso · 07-12-2018, 01:53 PM

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-native-ameri/

"I listed myself (in the) directory in the hopes that might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group something, with people who are like I am," Warren told reporters May 3, 2012. "Nothing like that ever happened. That was absolutely not the use for it and so I stopped checking it off."

"Warren’s campaign team could never uncover any documents that confirmed Native American heritage in her family."

"The New England Historic Genealogical Society also could not find any."

"We have no proof that Elizabeth Warren's great-great-great-grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith either is or is not of Cherokee descent,' society spokesman Tom Champoux told the Herald for a May 2012 story. (When we called the society, a spokesman said we should look at its statements from 2012.)"

^^^^^^^you do know that opinions can never be wrong, that's why they are called opinions. Dale Carnegie 101

is that your evidence

scottw · 07-12-2018, 07:19 PM

YES!....YES!....YES!!!

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/07/11...nt-answer-yes/

The Dad Fisherman · 07-12-2018, 08:48 PM

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^^^^^^^you do know that opinions can never be wrong, that's why they are called opinions. Dale Carnegie 101

is that your evidence

You have completely lost your chit.....
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TheSpecialist · 07-12-2018, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso

Did she lie ?? I have seen no evidence she lied or any evidence she's telling the truth

all I have seen is accusations not evidence (isn't that the right stance in the Russian investigation show me the evidence )

I did see this...

a genealogist traced Warren's Native American heritage to the late 19th century, which, if true, would make her 1/32 Native American.

So even with a DNA Test the right wouldn't believe Her anyway so why even ask ?

I believe you are wrong, a native Cherokee geneologist could find no evidence that she was in fact Cherokee, also the distant relatives names are not on the Dawes Roll

wdmso · 07-12-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

I believe you are wrong, a native Cherokee geneologist could find no evidence that she was in fact Cherokee, also the distant relatives names are not on the Dawes Roll

its hard for me to to wrong... when both side have offered no evidence of their assertion.. for or against

Jim in CT · 07-13-2018, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso

Did she lie ?? I have seen no evidence she lied or any evidence she's telling the truth

all I have seen is accusations not evidence (isn't that the right stance in the Russian investigation show me the evidence )

I did see this...

a genealogist traced Warren's Native American heritage to the late 19th century, which, if true, would make her 1/32 Native American.

So even with a DNA Test the right wouldn't believe Her anyway so why even ask ?

trump offered to donate a million dollars to her favorite charity if she’d take a dna test. to any intellectually honest person, that’s as much evidence of guilt, as refusing to take a breathalyzer test. if she believes she’s telling the truth, there’s no conceivable reason not to take the test, it vindicates her and makes all the doubters have egg in their face. only one possible reason to refuse to take the test.
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wdmso · 07-13-2018, 02:46 PM

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trump offered to donate a million dollars to her favorite charity if she’d take a dna test. to any intellectually honest person, that’s as much evidence of guilt, as refusing to take a breathalyzer test. if she believes she’s telling the truth, there’s no conceivable reason not to take the test, it vindicates her and makes all the doubters have egg in their face. only one possible reason to refuse to take the test.
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did you write that while wearing your jack boots ?? are You willing to take a test to prove you haven't escaped from a mental hospital .. because to any intellectually honest person, they have questions..

Jim in CT · 07-13-2018, 03:28 PM

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did you write that while wearing your jack boots ?? are You willing to take a test to prove you haven't escaped from a mental hospital .. because to any intellectually honest person, they have questions..

warren made the claim hat she’s native american. trump isn’t engaging in ethnic cleansing, he’s proving that she’s the liar we all know she is.
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Jim in CT · 07-13-2018, 03:32 PM

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did you write that while wearing your jack boots ?? are You willing to take a test to prove you haven't escaped from a mental hospital .. because to any intellectually honest person, they have questions..

people want trump to release his tax returns, and for good reason. asking her to prove she’s not full of crap with her claims of heritage, is similar. she’s at least considering running for potus, let’s see if she is a liar, or if i’m a fool for claiming she is.
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Pete F. · 07-12-2018, 08:41 AM

Lets hope this doesn't happen to one of us

Pete F. · 07-12-2018, 09:05 AM

Nobody can tell her heritage for sure and DNA testing won't either, though I'd be happy to see Trump actually donate some of his money to charity.
http://genetics.ncai.org/tribal-enro...ic-testing.cfm

Jim in CT · 07-13-2018, 05:26 AM

this just in, kavanaugh likes baseball, got into some credit card debt and then paid it off. oh my god, he must be stopped, the fiend
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Sea Dangles · 07-13-2018, 09:13 AM

Funny you bring up Dershowitz. He is not a Trump fan and didn't vote for him but has also been complimentary of some of Trumps results. This has made him the target of his liberal friends on the Vineyard. The lock step brain dead folks just can't imagine giving credit where it is due.
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wdmso · 07-13-2018, 02:48 PM

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Funny you bring up Dershowitz. He is not a Trump fan and didn't vote for him but has also been complimentary of some of Trumps results. This has made him the target of his liberal friends on the Vineyard. The lock step brain dead folks just can't imagine giving credit where it is due.
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I saw a few of his interviews ,, its been said before there are idiots on both sides problem is they get all the news coverage