good night for democrats

[detbuch]

This must be one of those under the same umbrella groups like Antifa: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Saying that these groups under the same umbrella with Antifa are not "associated" with Democrats, but they only attack anti-Democrats is pretty close to being a distinction without a difference.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This must be one of those under the same umbrella groups like Antifa: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Saying that these groups under the same umbrella with Antifa are not "associated" with Democrats, but they only attack anti-Democrats is pretty close to being a distinction without a difference.

There’s a lot wrong with that reasoning
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Ian

There’s a lot wrong with that reasoning
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Splain

[Pete F.]

I think the truth is closer to this
From the editor of The Week
When the white nationalist accused of killing 11 people arrived at an emergency room with several bullet wounds, he shouted, “I want to kill all the Jews!” The doctor and nurse attending him were Jewish, the hospital’s president, Dr Jeffrey Cohen belongs to the tree of life congregation Bowers attacked. They tended to Bowers as they would any patient. “We’re here to take care of sick people” Cohen said. You do what you think is right.
Cohen made a point of talking to Bowers, to see what kind of person would turn a AR15 on grandfathers and grandmothers and two disabled men.
He saw not a monster, but a “very lost guy” who’d listened to the “noise” telling him that white Christian America was being invaded by Jews, by a caravan of Central Americans, by foreign vermin.
Words mean things, Cohen said, Words are leading people to do things like this.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think the truth is closer to this
From the editor of The Week
When the white nationalist accused of killing 11 people arrived at an emergency room with several bullet wounds, he shouted, “I want to kill all the Jews!” The doctor and nurse attending him were Jewish, the hospital’s president, Dr Jeffrey Cohen belongs to the tree of life congregation Bowers attacked. They tended to Bowers as they would any patient. “We’re here to take care of sick people” Cohen said. You do what you think is right.
Cohen made a point of talking to Bowers, to see what kind of person would turn a AR15 on grandfathers and grandmothers and two disabled men.
He saw not a monster, but a “very lost guy” who’d listened to the “noise” telling him that white Christian America was being invaded by Jews, by a caravan of Central Americans, by foreign vermin.
Words mean things, Cohen said, Words are leading people to do things like this.
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Dr. Cohen's words (noise) mean things. They might lead another anti-Semite to kill some more Jews. Referring to some "noise" that America was being invaded by Jews in the caravan could get more Jews killed.

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People here trying to equate a handful of antifa with latent and overt racism and white nationalism. Trump has you.

Perhaps we should just start tossing out bread crumbs.

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

People here trying to equate a handful of antifa with latent and overt racism and white nationalism. Trump has you.

Perhaps we should just start tossing out bread crumbs.

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Your minimizing them as a handful (the article that PaulS posted said they were not a monolith but a part of various groups under the same umbrella) shows your bias.

And the "trying" here is not equating but associating. The constant association of Trump, or "Conservatives" with racism and white nationalism is an obvious construct for political ends. It's always a loose, fabricated connection. I'll directly ask you as I did Ian. Do you believe Trump is a racist, or a white nationalist, or anti-Semitic, or misogynist?

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

People here trying to equate a handful of antifa with latent and overt racism and white nationalism. Trump has you.

Perhaps we should just start tossing out bread crumbs.

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Jeff, if you were less biased and honest then you would just admit both sides do it. You have an infatuation with trying to prove one side does it more, or worse. This is where you lose credibility ,like most of the real snowflakes.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Jeff, if you were less biased and honest then you would just admit both sides do it. You have an infatuation with trying to prove one side does it more, or worse. This is where you lose credibility ,like most of the real snowflakes.
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By your logic both my neighbor’s yards are weedy even though one has a few thistles and the other hasn’t been mown in a year. How about a little analysis Chris. Take in a few variables and use the thinker. No honest observer can claim parity here.

As for the snowflake stuff, it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does me.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

By your logic both my neighbor’s yards are weedy even though one has a few thistles and the other hasn’t been mown in a year. How about a little analysis Chris. Take in a few variables and use the thinker. No honest observer can claim parity here.

As for the snowflake stuff, it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does me.
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Just more proof of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s turning a blind eye to their transgressions. Thanks for proving my point Jeff,your still unraveled I see.
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[Pete F.]

The caravan is actually pretty simple
Many people from Central America want to come to the USA
A coyote costs a lot but if you are traveling alone it is the safer way to go and does cost 5-10K
A caravan is a group of people who join together to go to the same place instead of using a coyote
Theirs no big plot here, just poor people hoping for a chance.
I don’t think everyone should just come to the USA
We need to address the issues in Central America or it will never stop.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The caravan is actually pretty simple
Many people from Central America want to come to the USA
A coyote costs a lot but if you are traveling alone it is the safer way to go and does cost 5-10K
A caravan is a group of people who join together to go to the same place instead of using a coyote
Theirs no big plot here, just poor people hoping for a chance.
I don’t think everyone should just come to the USA
We need to address the issues in Central America or it will never stop.
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You forgot the part about them being killed if they stay home. Partially due to wars the US helped instigate decades ago.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by spence

You forgot the part about them being killed if they stay home. Partially due to wars the US helped instigate decades ago.
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What are you insinuating that history counts?
Not in the world of real estate/Trump
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

You forgot the part about them being killed if they stay home. Partially due to wars the US helped instigate decades ago.
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Jeff, the Indians are not getting their land back and we will not be sending all the colored people back to Mother Africa. So stop.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Jeff, the Indians are not getting their land back and we will not be sending all the colored people back to Mother Africa. So stop.
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See what happens when you blow a dogwhistle
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

See what happens when you blow a dogwhistle
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Sometimes you see through the lens of what you consider the truth, other times you rely on dog whistles.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

See what happens when you blow a dogwhistle
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I’m hiding the breadcrumbs.
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[PaulS]

I forgot to say the people bothering Tucker C. are idiots.

[Pete F.]

“The candidates who delivered the House majority largely hailed from the political center, running on clean-government themes and promises of incremental improvement to the health care system rather than transformational social change.”
NYT
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“The candidates who delivered the House majority largely hailed from the political center, running on clean-government themes and promises of incremental improvement to the health care system rather than transformational social change.”
NYT
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Why are those things considered the political center? Why are they not merely political views. What's so "center" about them? My opinion is that the notion of the "center" has a perceptual quality of being good and right, balanced, solid. To me, claiming political ideas to be the center is a rhetorical trick to disparage other ideas and to promote those "centrist" ideas as the good ones.

[Pete F.]

Some People know Trump
Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino
"On Wednesday, the day after a midterm cycle dominated by President Trump’s divisive fear-mongering about immigrants invading our country, I listened as he told another of the lies for which has become so notorious. During his White House news conference he said, “I’ve never used racist remarks.”

I know the real Trump better than most. For 3½ years, I worked in almost daily contact with him at the highest levels of the Atlantic City casino empire over which he once held sway. I saw him treat black people and minorities as inferior. I heard him say vulgar, bigoted things and I rebuked him for them. But he did not quit. Indeed, he has continued it to this day."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...fferent-222314

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Some People know Trump
Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino
"On Wednesday, the day after a midterm cycle dominated by President Trump’s divisive fear-mongering about immigrants invading our country, I listened as he told another of the lies for which has become so notorious. During his White House news conference he said, “I’ve never used racist remarks.”

I know the real Trump better than most. For 3½ years, I worked in almost daily contact with him at the highest levels of the Atlantic City casino empire over which he once held sway. I saw him treat black people and minorities as inferior. I heard him say vulgar, bigoted things and I rebuked him for them. But he did not quit. Indeed, he has continued it to this day."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...fferent-222314

I just can't get worked up by articles like this to care. The history of Presidents that exactly fit the profile of the Trump your author portrays, yet who were considered great because of their policies, dissuades me from caring about what O'Donnell thinks. Others think differently, positively, about Trump. I don't care what they think either. It is easy to create a hero or a bogyman by selecting or exaggerating or lying about things said and done.

I care about policies. About the kind of judges that are nominated. About not stepping all over the Constitution. When Trump, or any other President or politician, goes astray on those points, that is what bothers me.