when did democrats start opposing the fillibuster?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Since they have never succeeded in any court action, are you claiming that people should just believe them based on…….
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I haven't read their plan in depth. Just the sketchy bits in interviews. From my limited understanding, it wasn't based on nor relied on court decisions. And it is totally mute now because the election was certified and had to be carried out before certification. And, because the Court refused to hear arguments on the validity of the election, most of the evidence compiled by pro-Trumpers has not been thoroughly examined and discussed in corporate media, so has basically been hidden from public scrutiny, and has been referred to as baseless conspiracy in any mention of it.

So, in that respect, there is nothing solid for me to believe or disbelieve.

What I do believe is that, after the Robert Mueller investigation, I lost any trust I had in our security agencies. The Mantra was always that Trump was causing us to lose confidence in them. But, for me, it was their own actions that destroyed my confidence in them. So I find myself believing that they are more of a problem than the groups they profile and accuse. And the Democrats duplicity in their alliance with them in calling for the special counsel investigation and the lies they told to support it, which even more than just my disagreement with their policies, destroyed what confidence I had in the Democrats being honorable in their political opposition.

Like most, I had always considered politics to be dirty. But that investigation took the cake. It was absolutely filthy. And it has not only caused me to lose confidence in the agencies involved, but totally become sick of the whole administrative state including most of its other agencies that I had already was beginning to see as a threat to our constitutional system.

So I don't "just believe them" (Bannon et. al.), I tend to disbelieve the security and intel agencies and the entire administrative state until it is proven to be right--which is a tall order to do for me since they have such a powerful influence, even grip, on the channels that inform us. Which makes those channels of communication as suspect for me as are the administrative and security agencies which they are in bed with.

For people like me, they have lost all credibility. And it is their doing, not Trump's, that is the cause. And the way you have lied and resorted to rhetorical trickery in defense of their treachery, has not helped in restoring any of my faith in them. Rather, it has done the opposite.

[Pete F.]

Post-inaugural “decertification” of electoral votes to “delegitimate” an incumbent president isn’t a thing. The only approximation is something called “seditious conspiracy,” a federal crime whose twin is treason.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Post-inaugural “decertification” of electoral votes to

“delegitimate”

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I don't think this is a word...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I don't think this is a word...

You’re wrong
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re wrong
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I figured, like brandon, you could use a win....hope that helps...you're welcome

[Pete F.]

Biden walked into the Oval Office to a desk OVERFLOWING with massive problems left by his predecessor. Contrary to what MSM tells you he has accomplished an amazing amount of work on behalf of the people in 1 year. There’s lot left to do, give him time & be amazed at what he does
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden walked into the Oval Office to a desk OVERFLOWING with massive problems left by his predecessor. Contrary to what MSM tells you he has accomplished an amazing amount of work on behalf of the people in 1 year. There’s lot left to do, give him time & be amazed at what he does
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I don't think Jen Pasaki would even go that far...

didn't get the memo

"A group of Democratic senators say they have “grave concerns” about the Biden administration’s response to COVID-19 and have asked the White House’s pandemic point man to explain ongoing test shortages and related issues.

In a Thursday letter to COVID-19 Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients, Sens. Jacky Rosen (D-Nev.), Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Jon Ossoff (D-Ga.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) asked point-blank “why the Administration failed to take more significant steps earlier to increase access to at-home tests.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden walked into the Oval Office to a desk OVERFLOWING with massive problems left by his predecessor. Contrary to what MSM tells you he has accomplished an amazing amount of work on behalf of the people in 1 year. There’s lot left to do, give him time & be amazed at what he does
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ok, your brain broke.

the mainstream media is out to get Biden? that’s your story?

he helped get infastructure passed, and the stock market is doing great, and he took the vaccine infastructure he inherited, and he expanded that well. what are his other amazing accomplishments, that he actually helped pull off?

why are his poll numbers where they are?
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[Pete F.]

Poll numbers better than the guy he beat
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poll numbers better than the guy he beat
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so low 30s are a good place to be!
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[Pete F.]

6.4 million jobs, GDP growth 5+%, wages up 4.7%, stock market +25% year-over-year, 207 million vaccinated, nearly all schools open and in person. How many people had that on their 2021 Bingo card? Good year
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

6.4 million jobs, GDP growth 5+%, wages up 4.7%, stock market +25% year-over-year, 207 million vaccinated, nearly all schools open and in person. How many people had that on their 2021 Bingo card? Good year
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he’s done a good job bringing jobs back, true.

wages up, inflation is up more. what does that mean for average americans, exactly?

biden opened up the schools? he did that? Not the virus naturally becoming less severe?

did you give trump credit for jobs, stock market, wages up, and creating the vaccine infastructure?

what are you afraid would
happen, if you were honest for a moment?

a record number of
americans said they were better off after four years of trump. i’ll be interested to see how biden does in that poll.

your fused to give trump credit for many of the same exact accomplishments. you’re saying it only matters when democrats oversee good stock market and low unemployment? i’d like to hear you explain that. when trump set stock
market records, you said that was bad because it only helps the wealthy.
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[Pete F.]

One thing I’m glad about— the people who think the pandemic should focus on paying people not to get vaccinated aren’t in charge.

From DeSantis to Rand Paul, nearly daily there’s a reminder of the difference between the first year of the pandemic and now.
We have many challenges facing us in responding to the pandemic. But the contrast in how Biden is responding ,when I see the people who want the pandemic to be over but will only act to elongate it lead, I’m only grateful they’re not in charge.
It is true we don’t have enough tests to handle the crush of new cases per day.

But while Joe Biden runs towards the problem w a billion free tests, a new testing czar & 8 free tests/person/month, Roger Marshall thinks the priority should be Tony Fauci’s financial statements.
In a hearing over the crisis we are all in, a Kansas Senator who can’t conduct a Google search honed in on what Americans are really worried about.

No, not schools or hospitals but a quite modest 81 year old career civil servant.
I wonder what planet he’s on. But I don’t wonder what political party he’s in.

Because we now just shrug our shoulders when we see Republican governors take steps to elongate the pandemic.

In the last few months, as we’ve been battling omicron…
Ron DeSantis has offered#^&CASH BONUSES#^&to unvaccinated police officers who quit or are fired from police forces in other states.

Unvaccinated adults are nearly 6x more likely to test positive for Covid & 14x more likely to die from the virus.
DeSantis & OK Gov Stitt have decided to take a stand—not against COVID, but against booster shots. When asked why:

“I’ve done the normal shot, and that … is people’s individual decision about what they want to do.” -Desantis

“I’m perfectly healthy.”#^&-Stitt

PS Booster shots can cut in half your chance of being hospitalized according to some studies.

PPS When thee guy who refused to admit the existence of or take responsibility for the pandemic calls you gutless, look at yourself.
Florida, Iowa, Kansas, Arkansas and Tennessee have changed their unemployment insurance rules to allow you to receive benefits if you quit your job because you didn’t want to get vaccinated.

They don’t believe in public programs. Except for the unvaccinated.
24 state AGs even filed lawsuits to prevent the federal government from requiring workplaces to be safe. 20 sued to prevent hospitals from requiring staff to be vaccinated.

Just think if this aggression & creative energy were funneled into fighting the virus & saving lives.
PS on that one. The Supreme Court ruled today. And even a highly conservative Supreme Court couldn’t support these states on one of their arguments (the health care one). Wrongly, but unsurprisingly, they won’t allow workplaces to be required to be kept safe.
26 states#^&(wonder if there’s a connection) passed laws that weaken public health protections.

AK banned mask requirements
ID now allows county commissioners to veto public health orders.
KS and TN have taken basic duties from public health officials
9 states passed laws requiring exemptions from vaccine mandates or banned companies from requiring vaccines.

These are the same people telling us they demand the pandemic new over so we can return to normal. Um hmm.
Republican members of Congress have filed#^&at least 20 bills#^&to block or roll back vaccine requirements.#^&
8 Republican governors including Abbott of Texas and DeSantis of Florida have banned mask requirements in schools.

To be clear masks are the ONLY thing, including ventilation, preventing COVID from spreading in schools. In fact …
Schools with mask requirements were 3.5 times less likely to have a coronavirus outbreak during the Delta based on a study in Arizona.
I have spent time w President Biden on this pandemic. He doesn’t think he’s gotten everything right. He’s not all that concerned with how he’s perceived at any particular moment. But he cares deeply about every American life & what we can do to help save it.
The vaccination program the Trump Administration started & he and his team rolled out have saved many American lives.

Biden’s acceleration of the vaccines in the early part of 2021 saved close to 300,000 lives.
During all this, Biden has had his head down. He’s opened 90,000 free vaccination sites and 20,000 free testing sites. He’s tripled the stockpile of masks and sent thousands of medical personnel to hospitals. 20 million anti-virals.
We have to judge our leaders by what they deliver, by their honesty, by how hard they work for us.

But, by God, when I stop and compare where we are to the alternative, I actually shudder.
Let’s have high expectations of our leaders. If we hold them accountable, they should listen and improve.

But lets also hold accountable all the elected leaders that have joined the fight on the side of the virus.
I won’t forget who showed up & who laid down in the middle of the hardest times.
“Andy Slavitt”
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[Pete F.]

As I have always said

Trump already gives himself far more credit than he deserves, so I don’t feel compelled to encourage him.

But you have the first amendment right to encourage the malignant narcissist.

Yesterday Trump gathered a large crowd of the unvaxed and maskless into a close space to tell them Joe Biden was really blowing it on his handling of covid.

Can't even make this #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As I have always said

Trump already gives himself far more credit than he deserves, so I don’t feel compelled to encourage him.

But you have the first amendment right to encourage the malignant narcissist.

Yesterday Trump gathered a large crowd of the unvaxed and maskless into a close space to tell them Joe Biden was really blowing it on his handling of covid.

Can't even make this #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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if you have trump credit for his accomplishments, you’d be encouraging his narcissism?

yes, Trump looks to you all the time to get his cues. you are single handedly keeping his arrogance in check. that’s how it works!

if trumps event doesn’t become a superspreader event, will you say so? or would you be afraid of how trump would respond to your admission? because we’re all
sure he’s keeping close tabs on you.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if you have trump credit for his accomplishments, you’d be encouraging his narcissism?

yes, Trump looks to you all the time to get his cues. you are single handedly keeping his arrogance in check. that’s how it works!

if trumps event doesn’t become a superspreader event, will you say so? or would you be afraid of how trump would respond to your admission? because we’re all
sure he’s keeping close tabs on you.
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Well you’re certainly consistently concerned about my opinion of your orange god and apparently the rest of “we” are also.
Are there actually other concerned people or just the voices in your head🤷#^&♂️
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Well you’re certainly consistently concerned about my opinion of your orange god and apparently the rest of “we” are also.
Are there actually other concerned people or just the voices in your head🤷#^&♂️
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nobody cares about anyone else’s opinions here. but it’s fun to point out your hypocrisy, and watch you try to spin it.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

nobody cares about anyone else’s opinions here. but it’s fun to point out your hypocrisy, and watch you try to spin it.
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Just remember

One year ago today The impeachment trial of Donald Trump opened in the Senate.

Trump will forever be remembered as the only president who got impeached twice.
Lost the House, Senate and the Presidency and spent the rest of his life claiming he won.
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[Pete F.]

Boy, the voices in your head must be strong today.

Elect one Black President and the White Patriarchy prolapses and destroys the whole damn country.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Boy, the voices in your head must be strong today.

Elect one Black President and the White Patriarchy prolapses and destroys the whole damn country.
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so everyone who voted republican after 8 years of obama, is a racist. gotcha.

stick with that message pete. good for tent building.

ruined the country? sorry america liked trumps policies. generationally low unemployment, stock market records, no questionable wars, jihadists routed. oh my god the horror.

58% of americans, i think, told Gallup they were better off after 4 years of trump. that’s a record high in that poll, am all time record.

boy that must get under your skin.


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[Pete F.]

Sure Jim, just like Virginia

Youngkin ran on letting people locally decide how their schools are run, and on week one he's strongarming a school district to try to kill its mask mandate.

This clown is everything we warned he would be.

Governor Youngkin on Arlington school system saying it will require masks, despite Youngkin’s order stating that schools can’t do that. He threatened to use state resources to force schools to comply - but we still don’t know what that means exactly.
Gonna call in the State Guard, line them up and rip their masks off?
Or reeducation for the education elites and the citizens who would dare oppose his orders?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sure Jim, just like Virginia

Youngkin ran on letting people locally decide how their schools are run, and on week one he's strongarming a school district to try to kill its mask mandate.

This clown is everything we warned he would be.

Governor Youngkin on Arlington school system saying it will require masks, despite Youngkin’s order stating that schools can’t do that. He threatened to use state resources to force schools to comply - but we still don’t know what that means exactly.
Gonna call in the State Guard, line them up and rip their masks off?
Or reeducation for the education elites and the citizens who would dare oppose his orders?
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“letting people
decide locally how schools are run.”

he ran on letting people ( who pay for the schools) have a say. MacAluffe said they shouldn’t have a say. they told him to go
kick rocks.

you make me really, really look forward to november.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“letting people
decide locally how schools are run.”

he ran on letting people ( who pay for the schools) have a say. MacAluffe said they shouldn’t have a say. they told him to go
kick rocks.

you make me really, really look forward to november.
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Want to talk about hypocrisy

Every reporter that interviews GlennYoungkin needs to ask him his position on Georgetown Prep’s mandatory mask and vaccine mandates since that’s where his kids go in DC and he’s never said a peep about it. He’s cool with our kids getting sick for his MAGA points…just not his.
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[Pete F.]

AP "For now, virtually none of the groups that fueled Biden’s 2020 victory are happy."

latest poll today: Biden gets 83% job approval from Dems

it’s just easier to make stuff up, I guess

comical: after 5 yr of worshipful Trump Voter stories, the only Biden Voter stories we get are abt how they don’t like him. (spoiler: they do)

And aside from Biden's 83% Dem. approval, people aren't happy because the REPUBLICANS + Manchin/Sinema are blocking everything.
And we're in year 3 of a pandemic where it's mostly REPUBLICANS who refuse masking/vaxxing thus prolonging this hell. It's not Biden we're angry with.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

AP "For now, virtually none of the groups that fueled Biden’s 2020 victory are happy."

latest poll today: Biden gets 83% job approval from Dems

it’s just easier to make stuff up, I guess



comical: after 5 yr of worshipful Trump Voter stories, the only Biden Voter stories we get are abt how they don’t like him. (spoiler: they do)

And aside from Biden's 83% Dem. approval, people aren't happy because the REPUBLICANS + Manchin/Sinema are blocking everything.
And we're in year 3 of a pandemic where it's mostly REPUBLICANS who refuse masking/vaxxing thus prolonging this hell. It's not Biden we're angry with.
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“it’s just easier to make stuff up”

oh, i’m making it up that the pills look bad for the. idea and the democrats.

You caught me!

“Biden at 83% approval from democrats…”

how come you don’t say where he’s at with independents?

answer - you simply cannot admit anything that doesn’t help your side. must be exhausting at any time, especially so these days.


did anyone ask you how Biden is polling with democrats? if only democrats were allowed to vote, his polling among democrats would
matter. I’d wager Terry McAuliffe was polling great among democrats too. how’d that work out for him?



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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Biden 83%



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^^^^^Google this and see what comes up....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

^^^^^Google this and see what comes up....

83% cognitive decline?
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