Human caravan

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you can’t govern by fear alone but he is trying hard
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He's not governing by fear alone. We still have courts and the constitution to protect us from him.

It's the resistance to Trump, that I see using fear. He's Hitler! All the women will die if Kavanaugh is on the court! Trump wants to kill everybody! Who will save us???!!

Meanwhile, very quietly, back unemployment and black poverty are at the lowest levels ever recorded. Very quietly, GDP grew by 4.3% in the 2Q and by 3.5% (I think) in 3Q. And almost all of us have a little more take-home pay. As hard as you try to deny it, that's good for you.

What are you afraid would happen, if you admitted that he has been good for the economy?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He's not governing by fear alone. We still have courts and the constitution to protect us from him.

It's the resistance to Trump, that I see using fear. He's Hitler! All the women will die if Kavanaugh is on the court! Trump wants to kill everybody! Who will save us???!!

Meanwhile, very quietly, back unemployment and black poverty are at the lowest levels ever recorded. Very quietly, GDP grew by 4.3% in the 2Q and by 3.5% (I think) in 3Q. And almost all of us have a little more take-home pay. As hard as you try to deny it, that's good for you.

What are you afraid would happen, if you admitted that he has been good for the economy?

I think RFK put it well and he would likely be considered a centrist today.

Robert F. Kennedy put his finger on the inadequacy of gross domestic product in his March 1968 speech in Lawrence, Kan.: GDP “counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage,” he said.

And yet, Kennedy continued, GDP “does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile.”

As far as Trump and Trumplicans are concerned, the only things that have any value are those things that can fetch a price.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As far as Trump and Trumplicans are concerned, the only things that have any value are those things that can fetch a price.

amazing, then, that no data suggests that liberals are more generous or charitable than conservatives. but you won’t let silly things like facts get in the way of ranting against those who disagree with you, will you?

so now that you hate the POTUS, we aren’t supposed to talk about the economy because that’s materialistic.

Sick in the head with hate.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think RFK put it well and he would likely be considered a centrist today.

Robert F. Kennedy put his finger on the inadequacy of gross domestic product in his March 1968 speech in Lawrence, Kan.: GDP “counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage,” he said.

And yet, Kennedy continued, GDP “does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile.”

As far as Trump and Trumplicans are concerned, the only things that have any value are those things that can fetch a price.

You use the RFK quote as a straw-mannish idiotic tautology. You set up GDP as lacking something it does not purport to measure. Then you seem to accuse it, by implication, of only doing that which it purports to do--speak of those things that involve a price. And from that you loosely slide that into meaning that Trump and Trumplicans only value things that fetch a price.

As usual, there is a vast unexplored space between your argument and your conclusion. One doesn't necessarily follow the other. Just because a Trumplican puts value in GDP, does not mean that he values nothing else.

i'm sure that Jim values other things than GDP which make "life worthwhile."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Just saying sending the military is a stunt .. I never suggested let them all in nor would I ... just another attempt to sow misinformation and more conspiracy theorists will some how chime in on how Soros or terrorist Or disease need to be stopped.. you can’t govern by fear alone but he is trying hard
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How The military is handling the "stunt." The military has a history of creating successful "stunts." Even war is loaded with "stunts." If they achieve a victory, "stunts" may be less costly than actual battle.

Nice that you gratuitously throw in "misinformation . . . conspiracy theorists . . . Soros . . . terrorist Or disease" and then throw in "can't govern by fear alone but he is trying hard." Yet it is you and others on this forum who constantly stoke up fear against Trump by warning us about how dangerous he is. The mirror on the wall awaits you.

And, just for the record, Trump has done many things (good things in the eyes of "conservatives") in governing without resorting to fear. But your conspiracy laden, fear and racist inspired opinions have no room for anything other than that he is a dangerous, destructive monster.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

your conspiracy laden, fear and racist inspired opinions have no room for anything other than that he is a dangerous, destructive monster.

That's liberalism. The other side can never be right on any issue, can never have a good idea. They can only be demonized.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's liberalism. The other side can never be right on any issue, can never have a good idea. They can only be demonized.

Wait, I thought liberals are the tolerant ones?
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[wdmso]

US mid-terms latest: Trump vows to end birthright citizenship Another stunt
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[Pete F.]

“Tomorrow the migrants, according to Fox News reporting, are more than two months away — if any of them actually come here,” Smith said on the air Monday. “But tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is what all of this is about.”
Why Surprise, Surprise, Surprise

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“Tomorrow the migrants, according to Fox News reporting, are more than two months away — if any of them actually come here,” Smith said on the air Monday. “But tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is what all of this is about.”
Why Surprise, Surprise, Surprise

No, it's a heavily armed infantry division of MS-13 and ISIS commandos all dripping with HIV, typhus and small pox who plan to hide in a very large wooden rabbit for the border crossing where they'll sneak out at night and capture Washington DC, burn the Constitution and enslave rural Americans.

I know you're asking, but how would the rabbit get across the border?

Pelosi.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

No, it's a heavily armed infantry division of MS-13 and ISIS commandos all dripping with HIV, typhus and small pox who plan to hide in a very large wooden rabbit for the border crossing where they'll sneak out at night and capture Washington DC, burn the Constitution and enslave rural Americans.

I know you're asking, but how would the rabbit get across the border?

Pelosi.

Great example of rule no. 5 in Alinsky's Rules For Radicals. Another example of extremism disguised as discussion. Brillliant contribution. Typical of you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Great example of rule no. 5 in Alinsky's Rules For Radicals. Extremism disguised as discussion. Brillliant contribution to the discussion. Typical of you.

Actually it's just called sarcasm as witness to a political train wreck.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it's just called sarcasm as witness to a political train wreck.

Same thing as Alinsky rule no. 5. You did it again. You got anything else . . . like something that intelligently moves the conversation along?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it's just called sarcasm as witness to a political train wreck.

every time you predict a political train wreck for trump and the republicans it ends up turning out really well for them...keep those predictions coming

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, it's a heavily armed infantry division of MS-13 and ISIS commandos all dripping with HIV, typhus and small pox who plan to hide in a very large wooden rabbit for the border crossing where they'll sneak out at night and capture Washington DC, burn the Constitution and enslave rural Americans.

I know you're asking, but how would the rabbit get across the border?

Pelosi.

Son-of-a-bitch you're right about something.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Son-of-a-bitch you right about something.

It happens more that you think
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

It happens more that you think
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I don't know, I used the search feature and it couldn't find any either.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

No, it's a heavily armed infantry division of MS-13 and ISIS commandos all dripping with HIV, typhus and small pox

So they are sick with deadly diseases yet we are worried they are going to kill us all so we will have more troops there then we will have fighting ISIS.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“Tomorrow the migrants, according to Fox News reporting, are more than two months away — if any of them actually come here,” Smith said on the air Monday. “But tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is what all of this is about.”
Why Surprise, Surprise, Surprise

Uhhhh . . . the "caravans" are one of the main news stories of TODAY not just what stories about them that may exist two months from now. And the reportage is crying for Trump's response. Which puts him on the defensive JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION.

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise--your gibberish is almost intelligent sounding.

[detbuch]

An act of journalsism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JIfBBOv0CPg