Fauci estimated US death toll now he is a anti Trumper

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Watch a briefing .. it might help .. Trump is criticizing the WHO in his endless blame game. His validity was telling lies and mis quotes. Then TRUMP starts parroting a host on fox 5 about mail in ballots and fraud.

You suggest I attack Trump. Not sure how one can attack someone based on what they actually said and did or not do ?

"Trump is criticizing the WHO"

(1) Is that the same as Trump saying it's all their fault? Because that's what you claim he said.

(2) In your opinion, the WHO doesn't deserve criticism for their response?

"You suggest I attack Trump"

Everyone here knows that's what you're doing. You are claiming he said things, which he very came close to saying.

If you want to say he didn't do enough early on, made some statements that turned out to be waaaayy off, that he blames others for his mistakes? All of that's fine. But why lie about what he said, unless you are attaching him as a manifestation of your TDS? WHy not point out when others said some of the same things he said?

Biden said the Chinese travel restrictions weren't necessary. No Biden has completely flip-flopped on that. And we all know who you're voting for. So you don't care when democrats were way, way wrong. Only when Trump is.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Trump is criticizing the WHO"

(1) Is that the same as Trump saying it's all their fault? Because that's what you claim he said.

(2) In your opinion, the WHO doesn't deserve criticism for their response?

"You suggest I attack Trump"

Everyone here knows that's what you're doing. You are claiming he said things, which he very came close to saying.

If you want to say he didn't do enough early on, made some statements that turned out to be waaaayy off, that he blames others for his mistakes? All of that's fine. But why lie about what he said, unless you are attaching him as a manifestation of your TDS? WHy not point out when others said some of the same things he said?

Biden said the Chinese travel restrictions weren't necessary. No Biden has completely flip-flopped on that. And we all know who you're voting for. So you don't care when democrats were way, way wrong. Only when Trump is.

The only one lying about what Trump has said is you insisting he has never said or told the lies he has been accused of? Even after seeing them in print or video, hell hes even said he didn't say something he said during the same briefing.

Who the POTUS that's it... Biden can say what he wants he has no power

Again not sure how Democrats were way wrong at what point ? That his Travel ban didn't ban all travelers from China ? Or when he banned travel from the EU but not england
The disease is still here regardless. But you keep clinging to he banned China travel ...
I dont know what the reasons is you keep repeating this .. unless you think it changed or slowed the spread in the USA , haven't seen anything suggesting it did or didn't, unless over on fox

[Sea Dangles]

Keep up the social distancing
Stop the spread👍🏿
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[Sea Dangles]

He is clearly the greatest president of In the history of our country
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[Pete F.]

We are certainly in the lead on the Pandemic Reality Show.
Apparently some people think that is the definition of greatness.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We are certainly in the lead on the Pandemic Reality Show.
Apparently some people think that is the definition of greatness.
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pete...you are your own reality show...you should watch your self...you'd be amused

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

pete...you are your own reality show...you should watch your self...you'd be amused

After Season 3, it’s safe to say it’s “Jumped the Shark”
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[Pete F.]

For three years the Chosen One has bullied and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&ted his way till he met a real crisis.

In addition to destroying the means of monitoring the danger of pandemic in the NSC, he allowed the removal of the ability to monitor pandemics worldwide firsthand.

If you think that he was not told about Covid-19 and the dangers starting in November you are smoking too much dope.
If it was in the National Intelligence Daily at that time, it certainly would have been brought up in the President's Daily Brief.
Think that a total shutdown of a province in China escaped our satellite surveillance, but piles of urns outside funeral homes is known, really?

This administration failed to take the necessary steps to save american lives, not for lack of knowledge but because it was hoped that it would just go away one day, like a miracle. Don't say anything it will upset the economy, make the DOW drop and possibly hurt my election chances.

All the records exist that will show what was known, the decisions made and we are now seeing what happens when we elect a malignant narcissist as President.
I'm amazed that you are impressed and believe that he is even a semi-capable president, all he has done is proven what I thought since he came down the escalator.
He is a conman.
He has spent his whole life scamming people.
He still is running the con.
He cannot stop because without the con, he is nothing.

His daily rally is on now, you better go watch.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week. Read it; it's terrifying. I'll offer a summary in this thread; please correct me if I've gotten it wrong.

Here's what would happen: 80% of Americans would get the disease. 0.9% of them would die. Between 4 and 8 percent of all Americans over the age of 70 would die. 2.2 million Americans would die from the virus itself.

It gets worse. People with severe COVID-19 need to be put on ventilators. 50% of those on ventilators still die, but the other 50% live. But in an unmitigated epidemic, the need for ventilators would be 30 times the number available in the US. Nearly 100% of these patients die.

So the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans -- in a span of 3 months. 8-15% of all Americans over 70 would die.

How many is 4 million people? It's more Americans than have died all at once from anything, ever. It's the population of Los Angeles. It's 4 times the number of Americans who died in the Civil War...on both sides combined. It's two-thirds as many people as died in the Holocaust.

hey pete...if millions of americans don't die in the coming weeks as you predicted, an outcome which I'm sure will greatly disappoint you...will you give him some credit?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

hey pete...if millions of americans don't die in the coming weeks as you predicted, an outcome which I'm sure will greatly disappoint you...will you give him some credit?

Is there any question that he'll give him some credit?

Not only will he not give him credit, he won't admit the modelers were wrong, unless they are republicans.

[scottw]

if the modelers keep remodeling their models who knows where we'll end up in the next couple of weeks but I'm not disappointed over the fact that many fewer are dying compared to projections so far....seems as though the critical thinkers in the media and elsewhere were very invested in a high body count

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

if the modelers keep remodeling their models who knows where we'll end up in the next couple of weeks but I'm not disappointed over the fact that many fewer are dying compared to projections so far....seems as though the critical thinkers in the media and elsewhere were very invested in a high body count

Did you notice that when a hurricane was coming the media would try its best to scare everyone to death to evacuate and run for the hills to lower death tolls along the coastal flood plains??? It’s the same here. They gave huge numbers to scare everyone into locking down. I’m cool with it.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

if the modelers keep remodeling their models who knows where we'll end up in the next couple of weeks but I'm not disappointed over the fact that many fewer are dying compared to projections so far....seems as though the critical thinkers in the media and elsewhere were very invested in a high body count

Actually seems that the model was assuming only 50-60% social distancing. Actually been closer to 90% so much less spread. People actually listened, mostly, so far.

Still a ways to go especially if another city(ies) become new hot spots.
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[Pete F.]

I see one guy spinning here, just keep believing this liar, covering up his gaslighting and incompetence while Americans die. More than Wars, hopefully not as many as all combined.
And remember your enabling when your friends and relatives ask after a Hundred Thousand or more Americans die: What did you say when Trump said in response to: "Are you concerned about a pandemic?": “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. … It’s going to be just fine.”?
Pelosi should have done something, really?

GFY





Greatest President ever?

[Sea Dangles]

Some keep banking on death to enhance their perspective.
Trump is trying hard to disappoint these types and it seems to be working.
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[Sea Dangles]

We have a
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!
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[PaulS]

New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.

The research revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place.

On Jan. 31, President Trump barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China during the prior two weeks.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.

The research revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place.

On Jan. 31, President Trump barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China during the prior two weeks.

New research indicates

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

New research indicates

and his study is still waiting to be reviewed, but it makes trump
look bad, and that’s good enough. but trump isn’t supposed to say that hydroxychloroquine helps in some cases, because there hasn’t been a credible review.

so any news which might help trump, can’t be shared until
it is 100% credible. Any news that makes Trump look incompetent, is to be shared immediately.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

New research indicates

So I guess all those people with TDS can stop claiming that Trump's closing down some travel from China prevented more deaths.
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[Pete F.]

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump·
Aug 2, 2014
The U.S. must immediately stop all flights from EBOLA infected countries or the plague will start and spread inside our "borders." Act fast!

If only he had been as concerned about Covid-19 and took the actions that previous presidents had.

[Sea Dangles]

Hindsight is useful in these situations.👍🏿
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[Pete F.]

Don't worry, the documents will show that hindsight was not required.
All that was required was to listen and act.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Don't worry, the documents will show that hindsight was not required.
All that was required was to listen and act.

Who is worried Bitchslappedboy?

We have the greatest president of our lifetime steering the ship back towards prosperity . Consider yourself one of the fortunate. We live in the greatest country in the world.👌
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Who is worried Bitchslappedboy?

We have the greatest president of our lifetime steering the ship back towards prosperity .
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

In one respect it is fitting, as folks here say Trump gets no respect, no respect at all.

On the other hand Trump would not drop his anchor on one of his constituents, because as Jim likes to say, it is all about the Judges.....

I did find this clip if Trump talking about his marriage though...

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Who is worried Bitchslappedboy?

We have the greatest president of our lifetime steering the ship back towards prosperity . Consider yourself one of the fortunate. We live in the greatest country in the world.👌
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Just to fing bad for those that died that maybe might not have contracted it, this administrations moto is the means justify the end.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Just to fing bad for those that died that maybe might not have contracted it, this administrations moto is the means justify the end.

I think you meant mojo
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Just to fing bad for those that died that maybe might not have contracted it, this administrations moto is the means justify the end.

genius...then you need to give him credit for the 2-4 million that haven't died so far too

[Pete F.]

The stupid hydroxychloroquine argument
CFR (case fatality rate) for Covid-19 is not determined yet but is believed to be between 1 and 4%.
Heart disease in some form is present in close to 50% of adult americans. Who among us doesn't know a seemingly healthy person who was killed by a heart attack?
Contradiction for hydroxychloroquine is heart disease and other issues and not all cases are apparent without testing.
Give hydroxychloroquine to 1000 patients of whom between 10 and 40 would have died from Covid-19.
How many people would need to die from side effects of hydroxychloroquine combined with heart disease to raise the CFR.
Anecdotally you would never notice the difference if it doubled the death rate, it would require a study to determine that.
Overloaded hospitals don't have time or resources to do a full workup on every suspected covid patient, they are just trying to keep them all alive.
But some would take it just because Trump* said to.