Pats

[Slipknot]

GOOD then I better post some more

I care about my team
you care to bash them

on to Seattle

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

GOOD then I better post some more

I care about my team
you care to bash them

on to Seattle

They make it so easy when they need to cheat to win lol

[nightfighter]

Skippy, maybe you should redirect your search for a new home OUTSIDE of Patriot nation's general boundaries... You might get a lot more for your double wide buck in east bum Missouri..... Starting to enjoy the game here!

[Slipknot]

The NFL has only said there is an investigation

Leaks from sources said balls were under inflated
And Ben Volin from the globe said the balls were checked prior to the game

I'm not a believer in the NFL

I think the only one telling the whole truth in this is Bill
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[buckman]

The latest theory is that the Pats did it on purpose because the NFL has been allowing underinflated balls and Wilson has small hands.
Now that sounds more like our coach .
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[5/0]

The way I see it is the pats scored 14 points with deflated balls and then score 28 points with properly inflated balls, I'm glad they were able to fix the problem.
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[Cool Beans]

Lets all just take it on ourselves to go to any sporting goods store and pick up 2 footballs and inflate one to 10.5 and the other to 12.5... I bet you cannot "grip" it in one hand and tell the difference

[thefishingfreak]

http://youtu.be/6M4t5m8dk5I
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[Sea Dangles]

Using Skippy logic,the greatest KC Royal ever is known for nothing other than cheating.
Is he mad?
Damn right
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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Using Skippy logic,the greatest KC Royal ever is known for nothing other than cheating.
Is he mad?
Damn right
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Royals Suck, Pete Rose is the best ball player of all times.

[Slipknot]

my ball is not that deflated

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Finally a former QB with some class.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...low%3Afacebook

I've found the remarks by Aikman and others to be so irresponsible and disrespectful they shouldn't be earning millions still just to talk about football.

[Redsoxticket]

road games can change the football psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. If the Pats fill there balls at Gillette Statium to a set psi where the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and travel to Denver where the atmospheric pressure is 12 psi those footballs will have a lower psi then what was set at Gillette. The same analogy applies when scuba diving where if you fill and tie off a balloon underwater say 60 ft, the pressure will be high in the balloon and when allowed to float to the surface the balloon will get bigger with less pressure inside
just food for thought.

[buckman]

Ha !!!! Knew it
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[Mike P]

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it, because it sure sounds like maybe only SD did. Had quite a bit of detail. Cliff Notes version:

The balls were individually checked for compliance with inflation standards two hours before the game, and all balls were within the allowed range. They were tested at halftime and an unspecified number of Pats ballwa were below the minimum standard. None of the Colts balls had fallen below the minimum standard. The deflated balls were re-inflated for the second half, and tested again at the end of the game. None of the balls had fallen below standards during the second half.

The NY law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton, and Garrison has been retained to assist the league in the investigation, as well as a forensic consultant. About 40 people had been interviewed at the time of the league's statement. The investigation will also look at video and electronic data.

There was the typical statement about expecting full cooperation from both the Colts and Pats, as well as "other teams". Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.

Basically, except for the actual number of balls underinflated and how far they had fallen, it confirms what Mortensen leaked on Monday. And adds a bit more.

I can tell you that Paul, Weiss is a mega firm, and they don't come cheap.
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[Cool Beans]

Bill Belichick tells the NFL and media to prove it or shut up and to stop

fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl

It's all about Seattle.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Bill Belichick tells the NFL and media to prove it or shut up and to stop

fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl

It's all about Seattle.

Spectacular press conference by The Coach

He got the monkey off the teams back a little, showed he went to bat for them, showed that the Pats are taking this seriously and above all, he put a lot of pressure on the NFL to prove them - the Pats - wrong. That was going on offense.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Mike P

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it

So it wasn't just me thinking this....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Mike P

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it, because it sure sounds like maybe only SD did. Had quite a bit of detail. Cliff Notes version:

The balls were individually checked for compliance with inflation standards two hours before the game, and all balls were within the allowed range. They were tested at halftime and an unspecified number of Pats ballwa were below the minimum standard. None of the Colts balls had fallen below the minimum standard. The deflated balls were re-inflated for the second half, and tested again at the end of the game. None of the balls had fallen below standards during the second half.

The NY law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton, and Garrison has been retained to assist the league in the investigation, as well as a forensic consultant. About 40 people had been interviewed at the time of the league's statement. The investigation will also look at video and electronic data.

There was the typical statement about expecting full cooperation from both the Colts and Pats, as well as "other teams". Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.

Basically, except for the actual number of balls underinflated and how far they had fallen, it confirms what Mortensen leaked on Monday. And adds a bit more.

I can tell you that Paul, Weiss is a mega firm, and they don't come cheap.
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Never trust a lawyer . What a waste of non profit dollars
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[hq2]

deal gas law does not apply. Atmospheric air is nowhere close to an ideal gas. Need to account for humidity and condensation due to temp change. Also ball is elastic so volume is not constant. Sighting ideal gas law is overly simplistic.

Yes, I agree that ideal gas law is over simplistic. However, it is accurate over a fairly wide range of typical conditions. Note that humidity counts as a gas (water vapor is part of the partial pressures). Note also that contraction of the football due to lower pressure would REDUCE the available volume, actually RAISING
the pressure ABOVE what the ideal gas law would predict! Ideal gas law would tend to UNDERPREDICT the pressure!

The point of it is that the actual pressure difference is more than THREE TIMES greater than the ideal gas law would predict. I am familiar with corrections to the ideal gas law, and no way is it that wrong.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

Never trust a lawyer . What a waste of non profit dollars
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Mike P is one lawyer I would trust, absolutely.

Mike, be certain it is noticed that you are one of the very few who have NOT bashed the Pats, I appreciate that.

[Clogston29]

Pats went all in. Time for league to put up or shut up. Time will tell. I have a feeling the pats were pushing and maybe breaking the rules, but the league botched their little sting operation. Nfl really can't get out of their own way.
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[hq2]

road games can change the football psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. If the Pats fill there balls at Gillette Statium to a set psi where the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and travel to Denver where the atmospheric pressure is 12 psi those footballs will have a lower psi then what was set at Gillette. The same analogy applies when scuba diving where if you fill and tie off a balloon underwater say 60 ft, the pressure will be high in the balloon and when allowed to float to the surface the balloon will get bigger with less pressure inside
just food for thought.

Did a simple ideal gas law calculation (PV=nRT). As shown by another guy up above, you need for the field temperature to be around
10 below zero to get pressures in the range of 1.5 psi lower, assuming the balls were inflated at room temperature. The game
temperature was around 45 degrees. At that temperature, there should have been less than .5 psi difference. Sorry, Bill, no way the
atmospheric temperature makes that kind of a difference.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by hq2

Did a simple ideal gas law calculation (PV=nRT). As shown by another guy up above, you need for the field temperature to be around
10 below zero to get pressures in the range of 1.5 psi lower, assuming the balls were inflated at room temperature. The game
temperature was around 45 degrees. At that temperature, there should have been less than .5 psi difference. Sorry, Bill, no way the
atmospheric temperature makes that kind of a difference.

Apparently you were not paying attention to Bill's press conference completely.

The process of breaking in the balls for better tackiness actually artificially raised the PSI by 1 lb , is what they just discovered this week, follow along here, then he said they give the balls to the ref, he makes sure it is 12.5 let's say. Now a couple hours go by and the balls are brought out to the field, since they have had time to acclimate for 2 hours in that controlled enviroment for a while after the rub down or whatever, they have gone back to the 1 psi less by gametime. They play the game in 45 degree weather wet and cold and lose another .5 psi. He said that, I heard him say a total of 1-1/2 lb . That is what they could come up with to explain a loss of pressure. Nobody let any air out.

That brings to question, after the refs made sure the balls were 12.5 psi minimum 2 hours before the game, why did they not check them right before the game? That would have accounted for 1 lb of air missing, but they did not and they did not correct them. We are talking about footballs here. weather change accounts for the other half pound.

I believe every word Bill said.

he even had to once again defend his stance of the spygate bull chit
The signals they recorded were being filmed in front of 80,000 people, they all saw it, the Pats were not trying to hide anything, they were wrong about the rule, paid the price, MOVE ON PEOPLE.


Mike, thanks for the NFL report


the NFL can spend whatever they want to on their witch hunt, they can also stuff it up their corn holes

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Clogston29

Pats went all in. Time for league to put up or shut up. Time will tell. I have a feeling the pats were pushing and maybe breaking the rules, but the league botched their little sting operation. Nfl really can't get out of their own way.
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x2 on most of this.

these guys are too way smart to come out guns smoking at the nfl if they thought the league had anything solid.

[MAKAI]

I get a kick out of ( the integrity of the game crap )
Being a weight lifting gym rat for 40 plus years, no one can convince me that most of this league is not on some form of PED.
We wouldn't watch it if they weren't. We wouldn't want to watch normal people play pro football. We want bigger, faster and more violent. It's analogous to pro wrestling. Most of these guys can't get to look the way they do without a little help from chemistry and the wizardry of masking ability.
Deflated balls ? Give it a rest. You want integrity test these guys like the Olympics and just try to stay ahead of the money.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

I get a kick out of ( the integrity of the game crap )
Being a weight lifting gym rat for 40 plus years, no one can convince me that most of this league is not on some form of PED.
We wouldn't watch it if they weren't. We wouldn't want to watch normal people play pro football. We want bigger, faster and more violent. It's analogous to pro wrestling. Most of these guys can't get to look the way they do without a little help from chemistry and the wizardry of masking ability.
Deflated balls ? Give it a rest. You want integrity test these guys like the Olympics and just try to stay ahead of the money.
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Wilfork can dunk a basketball....that's freakish....
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[Swimmer]

Makai, look at those guys, only about one in five is cut enough to say they have muscles. The off. and def. Lines are just meat, tendon strength. Linebackers and running backs are a different story
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[Clogston29]

You're kidding about 1/5 having muscle, right?

Ideal gas law does not apply. Atmospheric air is nowhere close to an ideal gas. Need to account for humidity and condensation due to temp change. Also ball is elastic so volume is not constant. Sighting ideal gas law is overly simplistic.
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[MAKAI]

Cutting up for strength and speed is one thing. Having the ability to bench 450 and up is a totally different approach to have mass and power. Plenty of really big guys at my gym take all kinds of crap and not all look the body builder part. Some of these guys are stupid strong !
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