Israel and World War Three

[Mike P]

Collateral damage is inevitable when a gang of cowards deliberately use civilian areas as staging grounds for their attacks.

You can't expect any country to sit there and take it forever.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Israel does NOT go after civilians as thier primary targets you idiots! Sure civilians are killed by accident and that sucks. But they are NOT the primary targets. Now the other side in this conflict, go after civilians as thier primary targets. You got that now? Or this still hard for you to understand?

I cannot believe your ignorance.... do you have any clue how far off you are???? Do you get paid to incite people?

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And seeing that you don't post much on fishing topics but just sports and political talk I will inform you that most pulled posts are because they degenerated into a pissing contest or because what was posted was just plain wrong or just plain stupid.

Well I posted a link to a video which analyzed the attacks on 9/11 and how the Bush Administration handled the Aftermath of 9/11. Was documentary incorrect? It's on the basis of judgement. Is it to piss people off? I think it may enlighten them. Was it stupid? Again, judgement...

Originally Posted by JohnR

And because we are off to such a flowery start here - who do you think I stand for?

I guess I directed my comments towards the wrong person. So if you didn't pull my post then that changes everything...
I assumed, yes I hate to admit it, that you pulled it because you're an Admin and you're usually active around this forum. With that in retrospect, I felt intellectually threatened by you asking me for my age. That's why I was being an "a$$hole." My apologies...

Simular to Isreal I had an area of "target."

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

I cannot believe your ignorance.... do you have any clue how far off you are???? Do you get paid to incite people?

Okay enlighten us. On what point is Skip ignorant?

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Israel does NOT go after civilians as thier primary targets you idiots! Sure civilians are killed by accident and that sucks. But they are NOT the primary targets. Now the other side in this conflict, go after civilians as thier primary targets. You got that now? Or this still hard for you to understand?

1. Isreal has targeted areas.
2. They know there are civilians near the targets.
3. They know they're are going to blow up civilains to reach their targets.
4. They blow up their targets.
5. No Hezbullah...
6. Isreal calls it an accident.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Okay enlighten us. On what point is Skip ignorant?

The one where he calls everyone Idiots......Earlier everyone was a Moron.

I just wish he would make up his mind......just like those Hippy Liberals...always Flip-Floppin

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Okay enlighten us. On what point is Skip ignorant?

All of them Are you in the matrix to?

[Skitterpop]

this is a test for everyone...who is he and what is his history?

[UserRemoved1]

Isn't that Blackbeard after he shaved?

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

this is a test for everyone...who is he and what is his history?

[Raven]

he's the kid who didn't listen to his mother .oke:

[Backbeach Jake]

If that's Moshe Dyan, then he's one of the guys who created Israel through terrorist tactics. Also showed the Egyptian Army how to die.
http://www.tylerphoto.com/people/dyan.html Looked him up for you.

[Skitterpop]

You win a BBJ plug!

He was a bad ass

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

All of them Are you in the matrix to?

Hmm...I guess if believing fighting back against Terrorism is the right thing to do, and if thinkiing that the destruction of Hizbollah and Hamas is a pretty cool thing, than yes I'm in the Matrix.

[JohnR]

Damn - how the hell did you get to 5000 posts ??

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Hmm...I guess if believing fighting back against Terrorism is the right thing to do, and if thinkiing that the destruction of Hizbollah and Hamas is a pretty cool thing, than yes I'm in the Matrix.

SS.... I agree with your statement

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Spence I'm sure you want to clarify that statement because it could lead one to assume that it is an attempt at legitmizing the targeting of unmarmed, innocent civilians. (They killed civilians by mistake so it's okay for us to kill them on purpose). Collateral damage which Israel is guilty of is bad enough without the purposeful intent of killing civilians which Hizbollah is guilty of. Thats probably why it's called Terrorism.

The statement is pretty clear...the point being, it's not like Palestenian non-militants are saying "well, my son did die while walking to school between checkpoints 7 and 8, but the Israelis were aiming those rockets at the terrorists down the street, so I guess it was just Allah's will"...

The Israelis are certainly guilty of dehumanizing the Palestenians in an effort to provide security, but let's be honest...also wear them down. Hence my comments about humiliation and rage.

I don't think they should shoulder the blame though, as I've stated previously, the problem is much larger than the two parties and will require a solution that's beyond both.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Arab-Israeli wars

A day after the declaration of independence of the State of Israel, armies of five Arab countries, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq, invaded Israel. This marked the beginning of the War of Independence. Arab states have jointly waged four full scale wars against Israel:

• 1948 War of Independence
• 1956 Sinai War
• 1967 Six Day War
• 1973 Yom Kippur War

Despite the numerical superiority of the Arab armies, Israel defended itself each time and won. After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured (see maps). This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

SS.... I agree with your statement

I'm glad you agree with his statement. But what he said is the same damn stuff i've been saying this entire thread! When i say it, im a nut, when he says the same thing, you agree.

I will never understand the left!! Make up your damn minds please!

But hey, welcome to the Matrix, you agree with me and SS after all.

[stormfish]

Oh wow... So the cause of terrorism is due to Western colonization in the Middle East. It would be so much simple if the Jews went back to Europe...

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I'm glad you agree with his statement. But what he said is the same damn stuff i've been saying this entire thread! When i say it, im a nut, when he says the same thing, you agree.

I will never understand the left!! Make up your damn minds please!

But hey, welcome to the Matrix, you agree with me and SS after all.

Its all the other stuff Skip.... You crazy bugger you

There is no left or middle or right....its all one big hole

[UserRemoved1]

did he say CRAZY BUGGER

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Despite the numerical superiority of the Arab armies, Israel defended itself each time and won. After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured (see maps). This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew.

And what a few billion a year from the US can do for you.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by likwid

And what a few billion a year from the US can do for you.

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

But what he said is the same damn stuff i've been saying this entire thread! When i say it, im a nut, when he says the same thing, you agree.

I will never understand the left!! Make up your damn minds please!

Because when you say it, its more of an Attack and it seems full of hate. You call people Idiots and Morons. And if someone doesn't see it your way you immediately label them as "Lefty's"

You take peoples words and totally distort them. All Skitterpop asked was how this whole Isreal-Palestine Confrontation was going to effect the World we Live in and mentioned how the US had probably given Isreal the Green Light on this and you turned it around and Labeled him A friend of Palestine and a Terrorist Sympathiser.

If you want people to take you seriously you need to "CHILL The F Out" and stop being so "in your face" on everything. You may actually get somewhere with the Point your trying to make instead of immediately putting people on the defensive. Once you start Labeling People and Name-calling you immediately get the word "Nut" Stamped on your forehead for the rest of the thread and no-one takes you seriously.

And before you label me a Terrorist Sympathiser I believe Hezbollah, Hamas, The PLO, Al-Quaida, The IRA, The KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood and any other organization that Peddles Hate should be wiped out.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

mmmmmmmmmmmm.....no

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

If my memory of the history is right, we didn't even provide much if any aid in the '47 war. Israel was able to defend herself just fine by smuggling arms through Eastern Europe, and fighting like hell.

Remember as well that a lot of the "billions" people talk about was part of a joint settlement with Egypt, and we have been throwing them money as well.

In a way I think we've done Israel a great disservice by protecting them from UN condemnation over the years...it's created a tremendous amount of animosity towards both the US and Israel, contributed greatly to 9/11 and has prevented, I believe, Israel from gaining needed legitimacy in the region.

Instead of being seen as strong when they indeed have been very strong, they are seen as a protected son who can do no wrong...

-spence

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

Actually--before the demographics of France changed and it became about 20% Muslim, they got a lot of military aid from France. Their entire Air Force was made up of Mirages up until the 1967 war.

And in 1956, there is some pretty convincing evidence that both French and British fighter pilots flew clandestinely for the IDF.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by likwid

mmmmmmmmmmmm.....no

Wrong...back later

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

And before you label me a Terrorist Sympathiser I believe Hezbollah, Hamas, The PLO, Al-Quaida, The IRA, The KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood and any other organization that Peddles Hate should be wiped out.

Hey when people make crazy and wild statements i call them out, just the way it is. If you cant cant deal then to bad. Have you seen the crap people have said about me!? Deal with it, who cares. I could care less what people say about me. I laugh it off and make my point.

But i'm glad to see your coming around with your above statement. There's hope for you after all

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Hey when people make crazy and wild statements i call them out, just the way it is.

No, what you're doing is applying caveman logic to a very nuanced situation and stating without question that anyone who doesn't share your overly simplistic view is aligned with the enemy.

It's the exact same bull%$%$%$%$ that Bush has used to divide the country, and it's pathetic.

-spence