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 No Coming Around here, I've always had issue w/ Hate-based organizations.....So don't think you've influenced me one way or the other on that.
 
You asked why People thought you were a nut...I merely answered it. And seeing what your reply to it was......I can see it went in one ear and out the other.  
		
		
		
		
		
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				No Coming Around here, I've always had issue w/ Hate-based organizations.....So don't think you've influenced me one way or the other on that. 
 
You asked why People thought you were a nut...I merely answered it. And seeing what your reply to it was......I can see it went in one ear and out the other. 
			
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 So i'm considered a nut for spporting Israel, yet when some REAL nuts come on here and try spewing some 9/11 consiracy theries they get a free pass. God i love this site! They get a free pass, but im the nut! God i just love it.
 
You must feel like %$%$%$%$ knowing you agree with me on the Israel issue!     Welcome to the nut club buddy.  
		
		
		
		
		
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				So i'm considered a nut for spporting Israel, yet when some REAL nuts come on here and try spewing some 9/11 consiracy theries they get a free pass. God i love this site! They get a free pass, but im the nut! God i just love it. 
You must feel like %$%$%$%$ knowing you agree with me on the Israel issue!     Welcome to the nut club buddy.  
			
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 In No Way, Shape, or Form would I ever belong to a club that has you as its President.
 
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				In No Way, Shape, or Form would I ever belong to a club that has you as its President. 
 
There is just something Not Firing. 
			
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 Yet another useless post...but thats your specialty, you never have anything to offer. 
 
Let me know when your brain turns on and you can add something to a debate, ok?
 
Let me know when you're ready to debate instead of trading insults. It's too hot for me to edit everything. Tone down the personal back and forth and stick to the issues. TDF is trying to get you to see that the message tends to get lost in the messenger's tone. If you want to be taken seriously, lay off questioning the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with you.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				  
				
					
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		Israel is eager to teach its next generation so they're ready when they start it now. 
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				Israel is eager to teach its next generation so they're ready when they start it now. 
			
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 It's a part of the Jewish culture...learned this when I attended my first Seder...
 
Seems a bit odd for a gentile like me, but then my family tree has been a cakewalk by comparrison...never had to worry about preservation of the Anglicans!
 
I didn't look at that link BTW, so please don't take my comments in context.
 
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 read all the following commentary. As I said in the other post, i have NO problem with that. Bombs are for killing, the target is the enemy, I hope they find their mark. These kids live with this everyday. 
 
If this was a war with mexico and teh US and we were 7,8 yrs old. We'd be doing the same thing.  
		
		
		
		
		
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				If this was a war with mexico and teh US and we were 7,8 yrs old. We'd be doing the same thing. 
			
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				If you lived in Texas, in a trailer, with 12 broken down cars in your front yard, couldn't pass the GED, and found sheep attractive you'd be correct. 
			
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 I guess I dont understand. 
Only dumb hicks want their country to be succesful?  
		
		
		
		
		
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				I guess I dont understand. 
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 But children suicide bombers are bad. 
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				But children suicide bombers are bad. 
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 the target for those shells are Hezzbollah's stockpile of rockets. 
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				the target for those shells are Hezzbollah's stockpile of rockets. 
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 Israeli bombs are killing civilians too!
 
"they do it too" dosen't cut it.
 
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				If you lived in Texas, in a trailer, with 12 broken down cars in your front yard, couldn't pass the GED, and found sheep attractive you'd be correct. 
			
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				Nope but their parents sure as Hell are.  Unless you don't consider Terrorists the "enemy". 
			
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				So where's the outcry of the required military service of the Israelis? 
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				So your comparing military service with Terrorism? 
			
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 When they're rolling tanks over people in the Gaza Strip, yes.
 
Forced to blow people up as suicide bombers and delivering truck bombs -> terrorism. 
Forced to blow people up and roll over civilians with tanks in search of 1 or 2 "terrorists" -> terrorism.
 
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				When they're rolling tanks over people in the Gaza Strip, yes. 
 
Forced to blow people up as suicide bombers and delivering truck bombs -> terrorism. 
Forced to blow people up and roll over civilians with tanks in search of 1 or 2 "terrorists" -> terrorism. 
			
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 Even if those 1or 2 Terrorists may be responsible for the deaths of hundreds maybe thousands of your people and will continue to do so if not killed, and, then choose to hide behind innocent civilians for protection from those who they attack and kill at will? 
 
Personally I would be more prepared to see the one's who choose to hide behind civilians as terrorists and the ones pursuing them acting in self defense.
 
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		 [QUOTE=likwid]When they're rolling tanks over people in the Gaza Strip, yes. 
 
Forced to blow people up as suicide bombers and delivering truck bombs -> terrorism. 
Forced to blow people up and roll over civilians with tanks in search of 1 or 2 "terrorists" -> terrorism. 
 
The terrorists didn't do this to the Gaza Strip, the Israelis did, in search of terrorists: 
 
Want to see pictures of the aftermath of a Bus Bombing in Tel Aviv?  Israeli's didn't do it, Terrorists did in search of killing civilians. 
		
		
		
		
		
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Children writing on bombs is not right. 
Children being forced to blow people up is not right. 
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				I don't think a majority of the Palestinians care what you think Fox News told you. 
 
I'm sure the majority would be more than happy with their farm land back. 
 
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				I don't watch Fox News.  Nice Left wing chant though. 
			
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 CNN, whatever you wanna watch. 
The reality of it is they're en mass shelling people to hunt down what? a few thousand out of what? 500,000?
 
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				Not according to the Koran. 
			
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 I think  very little terrorisim in Palestine is motivated by the Koran.
 
The notion of what constitutes terrorisim is very relative to your frame of reference, but from our perspective it generally indicates the intentional and random targeting of civilians in an attempt to propagate fear.
 
I wouldn't consider the consisant over application of force by the IDF, or actions like the razing of homes to be terrorisim per say....oppression perhaps in some instances, but not terrorisim.
 
Given that some of the Israeli violence is certainly justified, yet some appears to be way over the top just adds to a rather unique and dysfunctional situation.
 
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			07-18-2006, 05:33 PM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by Skip N
					
				 
				Hey when people make crazy and wild statements i call them out, just the way it is. 
			
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 For the love of Allah you must call yourself out on a rabid basis    
 
And.......thank God there is a p nut butter wth your name that is not too bad      
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				  
				
					
						Last edited by Skitterpop; 07-18-2006 at 07:56 PM..
					
					
				
			
		
		
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Good health and family
 
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