1985 Plane Crash of Arrow Air Flight 1285 in Gander, Newfoundland

[TheSpecialist]

This was by Brother in-law's unit. They were returning from the Sinai and a 6 month peacekeeping deployment. My brother in law and a couple of his buddies missed the flight




The VERY Suspicious 1985 Plane Crash of Arrow Air Flight 1285 in Gander, Newfoundland - YouTube

[TheSpecialist]

Only 4 guys from the 101st that were in the Sinai survived this. The four guys had no wives or kids, and were asked to take a later flight so that married personnel could make it home in time for Xmas. This haunted my brother in law and his 3 buddies for a long time, and still does today. They are convinced a bomb was planted on the plane in Cairo.

[Slipknot]

That is some kind of cover-up for sure it seems.
Lost too many good people that day
I guess if the military wants something buried, then it gets buried.
Must be hard on the families I'm sure, even the first responders and other lives effected.

[TheSpecialist]

Absolutely.

I am reading a book right now written by a former Seal Team 6 Member. Seal Team 6 are considered the best of the best Seals, the seals call team 6 members Jedi's. He basically said that they didn't find the WMD's, because after Saddam's fall his intelligence guys took up with Al Quaeda. These guys knew where all of the WMD's were. They in turn told Bin Laden who had all or most of it move through Pakistan to Afghanistan and Tora Bora. In turn they started building dirty IED's and planting them back in Iraq. There are something like 600 documents talking about found WMD"S and Biological weapons that were in the Wiki Leaks documents.. Mainstream press, and the Democrats don't want people to know that Bush was right, or panic the public that dirty bombs could be more of a reality here. The book is called Seal Target Geronimo and is a very good read.

This is the guy who wrote it:

Chuck Pfarrer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I highly recommend it.

[Soundbounder]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

He basically said that they didn't find the WMD's, because after Saddam's fall his intelligence guys took up with Al Quaeda. These guys knew where all of the WMD's were. They in turn told Bin Laden who had all or most of it move through Pakistan to Afghanistan and Tora Bora. In turn they started building dirty IED's and planting them back in Iraq. Mainstream press, and the Democrats don't want people to know that Bush was right, or panic the public that dirty bombs could be more of a reality here. The book is called Seal Target Geronimo and is a very good read.

This is the guy who wrote it:

Chuck Pfarrer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I highly recommend it.

I've read portions of it, and from a historical perspective, the book is severely flawed. No documentation, no sources, and also some bogus claims about himself being involved with the preparation of the raid to kill OBL.

Chuck Pfarrer left the Navy in 1989 to write fiction such as the awful movie "Barb Wire." Gotta remember that Disney filed to trademark "SEAL Team 6" the day after the Bin Laden raid. This little PR fluff is just Pfarrer positioning for his storyline.

Entertaining story.....but lousy history.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Soundbounder

I've read portions of it, and from a historical perspective, the book is severely flawed. No documentation, no sources, and also some bogus claims about himself being involved with the preparation of the raid to kill OBL.

Chuck Pfarrer left the Navy in 1989 to write fiction such as the awful movie "Barb Wire." Gotta remember that Disney filed to trademark "SEAL Team 6" the day after the Bin Laden raid. This little PR fluff is just Pfarrer positioning for his storyline.

Entertaining story.....but lousy history.

Where did you read that he had something to do with the planning, I have not read that yet and I am at the point where they killed Bin Laden already?

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Soundbounder

I've read portions of it, and from a historical perspective, the book is severely flawed. No documentation, no sources, and also some bogus claims about himself being involved with the preparation of the raid to kill OBL.

Chuck Pfarrer left the Navy in 1989 to write fiction such as the awful movie "Barb Wire." Gotta remember that Disney filed to trademark "SEAL Team 6" the day after the Bin Laden raid. This little PR fluff is just Pfarrer positioning for his storyline.

Entertaining story.....but lousy history.

Really , you read the whole book? He dedicates a whole chapter to telling how he got his information directly from members of Seal Team 6 who were involved in the mission to get Osama. There were never any claims in the book that he was involved in the operation. As far as Disney is concerned, when Leon Panetta was promoted out of the CIA his people approached a Oscar winning director Kathryn Bigelow to make a movie for Sony pictures, this after being told by the WhiteHouse not to tell any stories. I think you should read the whole book from cover to cover first..

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

That is some kind of cover-up for sure it seems.
Lost too many good people that day
I guess if the military wants something buried, then it gets buried.
Must be hard on the families I'm sure, even the first responders and other lives effected.

By the way usually when a plane goes down they reconstruct it in a hanger as part of the investigation. They couldn't wait to bury that plane in a dump.

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Only 4 guys from the 101st that were in the Sinai survived this. The four guys had no wives or kids, and were asked to take a later flight so that married personnel could make it home in time for Xmas. This haunted my brother in law and his 3 buddies for a long time, and still does today. They are convinced a bomb was planted on the plane in Cairo.

That is called survivors guilt. Takes years to get past and is extremely tough emotionally.
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[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by GattaFish

That is called survivors guilt. Takes years to get past and is extremely tough emotionally.
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Thats for sure. I met two of the other guys at my Brother in laws wedding. Real nice guys with great familys

[Joe]

I loved Barb Wire.
Pamela Anderson at her motorcycle-riding, electric-tan, super-sized-breast implants, hepatitis B+, best.
And when she took off her helmet, and shook her peroxide locks, her hair always fell perfectly in place.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Joe

I loved Barb Wire.
Pamela Anderson at her motorcycle-riding, electric-tan, super-sized-breast implants, hepatitis B+, best.
And when she took off her helmet, and shook her peroxide locks, her hair always fell perfectly in place.

Motorcycle helmets hijabs whats the difference?

[Joe]

Actually, she's got hep-c. Whatever, it really puts a damper on one's fantasy life. Her career took a nose dive after she went public with that - bad move.

[Joe]

If Obama wanted to cash in on OBL death he would have had his head cryogenicly preserved and waited, and taken it on the campaign trail so people could have their picture taken with it like Sox did with the 04 World Series Trophy.