Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA

[stripermaineiac]

Wow I knew it was gettin bad but 83 plus percent total decline an then another 34 % was just in the last year.An all the nay sayers give those of us that have been calling for a slow down as alarmist. WOW

[JohnR]

Link please....
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[Mike P]

our Query Parameters:
Query: MRIP CATCH TIME SERIES
Year: 2006 - 2011
Wave: ANNUAL
Species: STRIPED BASS
Geographic Area: MASSACHUSETTS
Fishing Mode: ALL MODES COMBINED
Fishing Area: ALL AREAS COMBINED
Type of Catch: TOTAL CATCH (TYPE A + B1 + B2)
Information: NUMBERS OF FISH


Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 8,124,766 10.2
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 5,646,880 12.6
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 4,027,374 11.7
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 2,627,003 10.6
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 2,012,483 11.1
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 1,323,156 14.6

Decrease from 2006 to 2011 is 6,802,000 fish, a decrease of 83.7%
Decrease from 2010 to 2011 was 690,000 fish, a decrease of 34%

[fatcow]

How do they get those numbers?

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by fatcow

How do they get those numbers?

For 2006 to 2010 they pulled them out of their ass!

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by Mike P

FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 8,124,766 10.2
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 5,646,880 12.6
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 4,027,374 11.7
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 2,627,003 10.6
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 2,012,483 11.1
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 1,323,156 14.6

Pretty graphic, might be termed as a CRASH!

[MAKAI]

Can I make golf clubs out my custom RA 's. Be a shame not to use them for something.
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[slow eddie]

it wouldn't surprise me if r.i's was right there also. after all was said and done, a slow year by all accounts.

[Clammer]

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& all the time we have been telling ya the f #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g sky is falling ..ya been catching & keeping bass ;

IMO My bass gear is worthless because except for large [only for a couple of more years ]] then when they are wiped out .............. I,m not gonna be around to see a rebound .if there is one this time ................... back when the last time this happened .The Chessie .was still alive & no Micro bacteria ...this time add the MB with the pollution that was allowed to continue // its a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing dead zone in many many areas . that will not substain any form of life .

FI ><><><><

[Raven]

c+r is fine

[WoodyCT]

Toldyaso
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[MikeToole]

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/SASStoredProcess/do?

RI number

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 910,764 14.8
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 779,252 13.2
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 467,564 30.4
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 470,113 25.7
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 253,220 18.5
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 157,807 22.0

NH numbers

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 474,136 14.6
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 263,720 22.4
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 82,545 18.2
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 66,030 19.7
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 57,781 31.0
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 126,126 31.2

Maine numbers

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 4,075,656 20.7
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 1,168,763 19.7
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 524,155 24.4
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 325,665 17.5
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 211,138 16.7
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 142,607 26.6

[Rob Rockcrawler]

Why is it that the Cod regulations are going to be a lot tighter in the coming years but there is little talk about any meaningful change in the striper take. Since both the numbers come from NOAA i would think they would both be worthy of taking action.

[afterhours]

[QUOTE=Clammer;920641]&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& all the time we have been telling ya the f #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g sky is falling ..ya been catching & keeping bass ;

+1

[stripermaineiac]

Us old farts never did know what we were talkin about.

[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by Rob Rockcrawler

Why is it that the Cod regulations are going to be a lot tighter in the coming years but there is little talk about any meaningful change in the striper take. Since both the numbers come from NOAA i would think they would both be worthy of taking action.

The hearings at the State House on the 28th of February include a discussion on a proposed law to declare the striped bass a gamefish (no more commercial fishing) and reducing the recreational catch by 50%. Also on the table (I believe) is the idea of a slot like in Maine.

From another site....

There will be three Bills heard that day:
1) The Conservation Bill which prohibits the commercial sale of wild stripers, has a slot limit component, reduces the recreational harvest by 50% and sets the commercial quota aside for conservation.
2) A health Bill that asks for the testing of all wild striped bass for potentially harmful contaminants and the issuing of warnings if appropriate.
3) A Bill that directs the State to manage the wild striped bass for its greatest economic value/return to the Commonwealth.

Show up and have your voice heard, call your State Rep, or both.

[WoodyCT]

Here is a graph representing the total catch for MA, RI, NH, AND ME for 2006-2011.

Bottom axis represents 2006-2011.

Similar to the line graph in the link above, but easier to compare the decline year to year.

[zimmy]

There have been a ton of fish killed just by all of us on this board over the years. A common theme seemed to be, "anyone who says they would release a 50 is full of it." What percent of big fish caught at the canal in May or June are released or released w/out first being hung by the jaw? It isn't many. We all should have know this was going to happen as far back as the 90's. Once the numbers start dropping, it is pretty much too late. I hate the ASMFC. What b.s.

[WoodyCT]

Food for thought,

Here is catch by state for 2006-2011.

[stripermaineiac]

Well we can start the blame game again but might it be a little bit more productive if we all just went to catch n release for a bit. No more treble hook bait fishin ,bent barbs,better release methods,circle hooks an so on.I really would like to be able to get my grand kids into one someday.Some of us old farts started doin this a few yrs back an were told we were wasting our time as there were loads of fish we all just didn't know how to catch them anymore.Anyone want to join us in trying to have some fish in the future?

[WoodyCT]

Granite State is on fire.

Only state with an increase from 06-11

[MassBass]

this doesn't surprise me one bit. Had to really work 2 season's ago, last was even worst. Dismal numbers to say the least. It bothers to think it'll get even worst.

[thefishingfreak]

There was a school of bass 10 miles long off the backside spotted by a few spotter planes. day after day all summer long but I guess the Pratt family probly made that up.
Lets not forget the commercial bass quota only took 17 days to fill
NOAA can't count there own toes
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[WoodyCT]

C&R with single hooks would definitely help, but

GAMEFISH STATUS AND A 5 YEAR MORATORIUM

would be even better!


Freak, so we mighty fishermen just can't find or catch the bass, is that the issue?

[MassBass]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

Granite State is on fire.

Only state with an increase from 06-11

if only it were true. Maybe some of the Nh boys will chime in.

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

C&R with single hooks would definitely help, but

GAMEFISH STATUS AND A 5 YEAR MORATORIUM

would be even better!


Freak, so we mighty fishermen just can't find or catch the bass, is that the issue?

Not getting into a pissing match, many people had a great season. Like I said NOAA can't count there own toes.
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[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

Not getting into a pissing match, many people had a great season. Like I said NOAA can't count there own toes.
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I don't want to get into a pissing match either, but what percentage of these fish are out in deeper water? I think a lot of the concern here comes from shore fisherman and guys with small boats.

[big jay]

NOAA also claimed that recreational fisherman caught more codfish than the entire commercial fleet (you know, the draggers, gill netters, and tub trawlers) and most all of that occurred in the last 2 weeks of April (when 90% of rec boats aren't even in the water).

To call NOAA's data collection unreliable is a hideous understatement.
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[JackK]

Originally Posted by Rob Rockcrawler

Why is it that the Cod regulations are going to be a lot tighter in the coming years but there is little talk about any meaningful change in the striper take. Since both the numbers come from NOAA i would think they would both be worthy of taking action.

Cod are managed federally by NOAA, SB are managed by state.

Originally Posted by big jay

NOAA also claimed that recreational fisherman caught more codfish than the entire commercial fleet (you know, the draggers, gill netters, and tub trawlers) and most all of that occurred in the last 2 weeks of April (when 90% of rec boats aren't even in the water).

To call NOAA's data collection unreliable is a hideous understatement.
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I was at the meeting on Friday, and this was addressed... Rauch said that data in particular has been updated, and it's not nearly as high as initially reported. Maybe BP can chime in on that one.

[big jay]

Updated.. sure, because everyone raised holy hell when it was published. NOAA was running with them until they were questioned.