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06-04-2014, 01:53 PM
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Here's a question for Spence...why shouldn't the Taliban, or any group of criminals/terrorists, now be convinced that in order to get what they want, they just need to start snatching Americans and trading for them. Presidents used to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists". There is a very good resason that Presidents used to say that. It sets a terrible, terrible precedent. Please explain to me whty this doesn't put every single American at greater risk of being kidnapped? It incentivizes terrorists to do this sgain.
I don't get it, I just don't get it. Meanwhile, the Pakistani doctor who helped us get Bin Laden is still in a Pakistani prison, and until recently (just back from vacation, don't know the latest), that jailed Marine was still in mexico.
We are so much weaker.
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06-04-2014, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Here's a question for Spence...why shouldn't the Taliban, or any group of criminals/terrorists, now be convinced that in order to get what they want, they just need to start snatching Americans and trading for them.
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A response to this I heard from a military leader basically dismissed this notion by stating they're trying to snatch Americans all the time already...
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Presidents used to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists". There is a very good resason that Presidents used to say that. It sets a terrible, terrible precedent. Please explain to me whty this doesn't put every single American at greater risk of being kidnapped? It incentivizes terrorists to do this sgain.
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Yes, presidents used to "say" that but most of them do it any way.
Bush certainly did it in Iraq and I'd wager it happens a lot more frequently than most people are aware.
-spence
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06-04-2014, 02:28 PM
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SPENCE!!!!
He is an American...he was not left behind.....now lets try him as a deserter....they will have enough evidence from his once comrades in arms... this is the 2nd biggest crime a military man can make...the 1st is turning his weapon on fellow military personal
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06-04-2014, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod
SPENCE!!!!
He is an American...he was not left behind.....now lets try him as a deserter....they will have enough evidence from his once comrades in arms... this is the 2nd biggest crime a military man can make...the 1st is turning his weapon on fellow military personal
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I think the military will investigate and try him as a deserter if they find he was in control of his actions. If they think he cracked then got nabbed they may not go there.
But in the mean time Fox will politicize the hell out of it to make a ton of money regardless.
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06-04-2014, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
A response to this I heard from a military leader basically dismissed this notion by stating they're trying to snatch Americans all the time already...
Yes, presidents used to "say" that but most of them do it any way.
Bush certainly did it in Iraq and I'd wager it happens a lot more frequently than most people are aware.
-spence
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"A response to this I heard from a military leader..." Spence, you can usually find someone out there who will offer a quotethat supports your defense of Ogama. That doesn't make it right. How about telling us what you think.
"dismissed this notion by stating they're trying to snatch Americans all the time already"
OK. So everyone is wrong who says that if you reward people for bad behavior, you will encourage more bad behavior. I want to be clear, that's what you are saying? It's not reasonable to assume that anyone out there will see that the Taliban was handsomely rewarded for kidnapping this American, and be more likely to follow suit?
"Bush certainly did it in Iraq "
He negotiated with terrorists? Please explain...Prisoner exchanges happen all the time, in accordance with the Geneva Convention. That's not what this was, not by a long shot.
"I'd wager it happens a lot more frequently than most people are aware."
Shocker. You'll wager that what your hero did here, wasn't stupid.
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06-04-2014, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Spence, you can usually find someone out there who will offer a quotethat supports your defense of Ogama. That doesn't make it right. How about telling us what you think.
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There's policy and there's exception. If it's your policy to always offer ransom then you'll likely see an effect. That's not our policy...
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OK. So everyone is wrong who says that if you reward people for bad behavior, you will encourage more bad behavior. I want to be clear, that's what you are saying? It's not reasonable to assume that anyone out there will see that the Taliban was handsomely rewarded for kidnapping this American, and be more likely to follow suit?
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Soldier walks off base in full uniform into town and is captured. That's not a kidnapping, it was an opportunity in a theater of war. We would have done the exact same thing...
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He negotiated with terrorists? Please explain...Prisoner exchanges happen all the time, in accordance with the Geneva Convention. That's not what this was, not by a long shot.
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Bush certainly cut deals with Sunni insurgents in Iraq including those who had targeted/attacked/killed Americans. Before 9/11 Bush helped pay 300 grand to a terror group to free missionaries in the Philippines (Note, it didn't end well). Hell Reagan sent arms to Iran after they were declared a State Sponsor of Terrorism!
-spence
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06-04-2014, 05:32 PM
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There ya go blaming fox news....my home page MSN had qoutes from two soldiers that were in his outfit....we will C what if anything is done to him.
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06-04-2014, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod
There ya go blaming fox news....my home page MSN had qoutes from two soldiers that were in his outfit....we will C what if anything is done to him.
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It's all about politicization and money. Back when a swap was discussed 2 years ago consultants were already trying to figure out how to manipulate it.
They'll seek these guys out, then the PR firms coordinate interviews with the most receptive media. Because it's getting attention everybody feels they have to cover it.
Frankly I'd put a lot more faith in what our military leadership is saying about this whole event than the media. The coverage on most outlets has been lame and the coverage on Fox outright reprehensible. Really, really ugly.
-spence
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06-05-2014, 07:23 AM
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Frankly I'd put a lot more faith in what our military leadership is saying about this whole event ...
-spence
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Me too. So go listen to what they are all saying, not just the ones you happen to agree with.
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