TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS?

[bobber]

well- the "its not fair" statement is exactly the point of these 20 pages of discussion, isn't it? just because "its the law" sure as hell doesn't mean its fair.....

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by scottw

sounds like they might get to do it either way...unless everyone is fishing at 1@.....the Canal massacre was an interesting point... the way things stand , the Canal massacre should be half as bad next year...looks like the BI massacre could be pretty much the same

They'll just dump the smaller fish in the woods one fish sooner than they did last year. Or run one at a time up to their trucks instead of two at a time.

[Sea Dangles]

Nothing personal Buckman,but in 20 pages you have the majority of posts.
This issue obviously has touched a nerve with you,yet you accuse others of being ready to kill themselves...
Where does this put you on the Samaritan watch?
Whatever happens will have to suffice but in this country that doesn't mean we have to like it.
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[DZ]

Thanks to New Jersey other states now have an opening:

On Thursday, the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council approved an option for a two-fish limit for the 2015 striped bass season. The approved option allows for one fish between 28 to 43 inches and another fish at 43 inches and above. The size and bag limit must now meet with legislative approval.
The Council was considering the nine original options contained in the Draft Addendum IV, which calls for a 25 percent reduction in the recreational harvest of striped bass, plus two other options of one fish between 29 from to 36 inches with another over 36 inches; and one bass from 28 to 42 inches with another over 42 inches.
However, based on a recommendation from the ASMFC Technical Committee, the Council elected to go up one inch. The approved option provides for a 25.1 percent reduction.
Russ Allen, a fisheries biologist with the New Jersey Bureau of Marine Fisheries who helped develop the options, said a bill containing the measure should be ready to go in about a week.

Bass fishermen have been divided on the issue of the reduction with some in favor of protecting the stock with a one-fish limit at 28 inches. Charter and party boat captains, however, feared that a one-fish limit would hurt an already suffering business.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Whatever happens will have to suffice but in this country that doesn't mean we have to like it.
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True !
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[MakoMike]

FYI

[JoeG@Breezy]

One thing I find wrong with that NJ proposal is the second fish size. And the 2nd fish altogether.
NY had 1@28 and another @40 but the vast majority of fisherman who keep their catch go by 2@28 and do not even know what the law says. Some do and don't care. That's what will happen in NJ.
It seems that the scientists who calculate how equivalency comes about will say anything. We started with 1@32 and 25% commercial cut from last years take ( not LY allowance ) and that supposedly gives us 25% overall. There is no way any of the options now being floated are going to equal that number but they seem to agree with the locals that it will. Smell a few rats ?
Finding a 43" fish off the beach is skilled work and still somewhat lucky. Finding a 43" fish with a skilled charter captain, or a head boat captain...not so difficult. Too many fish of the spawning size will be killed.

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by DZ

On Thursday, the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council approved an option for a two-fish limit for the 2015 striped bass season. The approved option allows for one fish between 28 to 43 inches and another fish at 43 inches and above. The size and bag limit must now meet with legislative approval.

43" trophy. Everyone should be ok with that

[bobber]

43" is kinda arbitrary.....?

[DZ]

Originally Posted by bobber

43" is kinda arbitrary.....?

From what the article said Jersey was told they had to add the inch to make it 43 from 42 because the numbers wouldn't work.
Amazing that this all comes down to mathmaticians and number crunchers but that is our system.

[Cool Beans]

No matter what they change the law to, certain groups who "forget" how to speak English when DEM is around will continue to catch as many as they want as small as they want like they always have. Most of the time DEM won't waste the time trying to explain anything or write a citation. At most they chase them off and attempt to tell them it's illegal, but tomorrow that same group will be back in the same spot. Most recreational fishermen like the majority here are not the problem. Enforce the laws, give citations to all these damn "Undocumented Democrats" and crack down on the illegals keeping 18" bass. I've seen it many times.. called DEM 3 or 4 times and have seen them actually respond a grand total of ZERO times. Many of us bust our ass just to find a keeper, while certain populations keep every freaking thing that bites their line.

[smac]

No matter what regs the powers at be come up with, there will always be someone breaking the rules. Even if the shut it down totally.

Speaking of enforcement, I love seeing MEP guys and gals doing road details. Pisses me off to be honest. theres not enough enforcement out in the woods or on the water but yet they are watching people repair the roadways.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by smac

No matter what regs the powers at be come up with, there will always be someone breaking the rules. Even if the shut it down totally.

Speaking of enforcement, I love seeing MEP guys and gals doing road details. Pisses me off to be honest. theres not enough enforcement out in the woods or on the water but yet they are watching people repair the roadways.

This is only something I've noticed the the last couple years. There has been three of them working details in Cambridge during the entire hunting season . I wonder how far they drive the pick up trucks into "work"every day and how they are able to accomplish their real job if they are in the city in the daylight hours
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Many of us bust our ass just to find a keeper, while certain populations keep every freaking thing that bites their line.

I assume you mean the Irish and English American poachers from Tilghman Island. No doubt they are the worst. And doing it for money too... scum bags.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I assume you mean the Irish and English American poachers from Tilghman Island. No doubt they are the worst. And doing it for money too... scum bags.

What I have seen around here has been mostly families of I think Guatemalans and then smaller groups of 3 or 4 Chinese and sometimes Vietnamese men. Families (sometimes 15 or 20 people) seem to always be on the shore in a few spots near Middletown, they keep a lot of small fish, but I am sure they eat them and need the food. Of course if they were working and not sitting in those 2 or 3 spots sort of hidden off the road all day every day, all summer long, maybe they wouldnt need to keep illegal fish.

The Asian guys pop up all over, will plop down on your shoulder and fish right on top of you. I see them target blackfish more often than bass, but they keep every fish they catch.

I don't want to drive this thread off into the woods on a rant about illegals and their fishing practices but it bugs me to see people dump on legal fishermen (yes charter guys count) who may have legitimate reasons for trying to get the exception of the 2nd fish.

It just grinds my gears when I know any of us that can't fake a foreign language and pretend to not understand the DEM officer, would get hammered doing the stuff some of these illegals get away with all season long.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

What I have seen around here has been mostly families of I think Guatemalans and then smaller groups of 3 or 4 Chinese and sometimes Vietnamese men. Families (sometimes 15 or 20 people) seem to always be on the shore in a few spots near Middletown, they keep a lot of small fish, but I am sure they eat them and need the food. Of course if they were working and not sitting in those 2 or 3 spots sort of hidden off the road all day every day, all summer long, maybe they wouldnt need to keep illegal fish.

The Asian guys pop up all over, will plop down on your shoulder and fish right on top of you. I see them target blackfish more often than bass, but they keep every fish they catch.

I don't want to drive this thread off into the woods on a rant about illegals and their fishing practices but it bugs me to see people dump on legal fishermen (yes charter guys count) who may have legitimate reasons for trying to get the exception of the 2nd fish.

It just grinds my gears when I know any of us that can't fake a foreign language and pretend to not understand the DEM officer, would get hammered doing the stuff some of these illegals get away with all season long.

You can feel better then that the biggest poaching jobs are done by the English speaking guys. Not sure how those Guatemalans can be here not working and at the same time stealing jobs from Americans, but you are right, better not to get off the point of the thread.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I assume you mean the Irish and English American poachers from Tilghman Island. No doubt they are the worst. And doing it for money too... scum bags.

Go fish in Quincy...you want to see the worst of the worst...and they don't speak English so well....
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[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Piscator

Go fish in Quincy...you want to see the worst of the worst...and they don't speak English so well....
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Nothing better than doing a charter with a group of these guys.
No filleting ever or left over live bait.
Wonder how a pogie taste cooked in a wok

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Wonder how a pogie taste cooked in a wok

I in the past have accidentally slow cooked pogie in a igloo cooler in the back of my suv. Judging from that smell I think they would be horrendous, no matter how much soy sauce you dumped on it....

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Piscator

Go fish in Quincy...you want to see the worst of the worst...and they don't speak English so well....
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It is opinion really, but the ones I despise the most are the ones who take 10's of thousands of pounds for no reason other than money. I don't like anyone poaching, but the guys making money poaching/selling illegally are much worse to me than someone who is keeping them to eat. In any case, the poachers come in all shapes and sizes. Some just are easy to spot and others are pro's at hiding it.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by zimmy

It is opinion really, but the ones I despise the most are the ones who take 10's of thousands of pounds for no reason other than money. I don't like anyone poaching, but the guys making money poaching/selling illegally are much worse to me than someone who is keeping them to eat. In any case, the poachers come in all shapes and sizes. Some just are easy to spot and others are pro's at hiding it.

It's not opinion, it's fact. Have you ever been there to see it??? Too bad you despise one over the other, you should reconsider...I on the other hand despise both sides that don't abide by the law...even if they claim stupid...I guess you have different standards of judging people
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[MAKAI]

I live on Wollaston beach in Quincy.
I amazed there are gulls and pigeons still alive in my neighborhood.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

I live on Wollaston beach in Quincy.
I amazed there are gulls and pigeons still alive in my neighborhood.
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I grew up right off Wolly Beach...times have changed
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[MAKAI]

2 litre soda bottles filled with periwinkles roasting in the summer sun......mmmmmm....mmmmmm....good !
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[Linesider82]

This is NYS marine resource advisory council's meeting summary which gives a good summary of the discussion in NY. As of mid November.

http://www.somas.stonybrook.edu/comm...2014-11-18.pdf
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[bobber]

the most salient point is Charlie Witek's comment about managing "live fish" not dead fish.....

and not just thinking about killing them in 2015, but having them around to fish for in 2020........

[MikeToole]

Originally Posted by Linesider82

This is NYS marine resource advisory council's meeting summary which gives a good summary of the discussion in NY. As of mid November.

http://www.somas.stonybrook.edu/comm...2014-11-18.pdf
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After you read this you will understand how badly New jersey threw bass under the bus. Now it will be hard to stop most of the states from going with two fish limits. Once again the public that bothered to give comments will be ignored. Plus note just how big a percentage the charters are on the fish killed in NY.

[Linesider82]

Originally Posted by MikeToole

After you read this you will understand how badly New jersey threw bass under the bus. Now it will be hard to stop most of the states from going with two fish limits. Once again the public that bothered to give comments will be ignored. Plus note just how big a percentage the charters are on the fish killed in NY.

I read that too.
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[Mike P]

Originally Posted by MikeToole

After you read this you will understand how badly New jersey threw bass under the bus. Now it will be hard to stop most of the states from going with two fish limits. Once again the public that bothered to give comments will be ignored. Plus note just how big a percentage the charters are on the fish killed in NY.

It has been getting leaner and leaner for the shore guys down there for awhile now.

[dannyplug1]

As long as were talking, I find the concept of who is a charter captain and who is a commercial fisherman interesting. For the purpose of the IRS how many trips do you need to take before your a charter captain is it one per year or is it a certain amount? Point being: I get the feeling that there are guys out there that say they are charter captains but are really in another occupation and just supplement there income by chartering. I have some sympathy for someone whose full time profession is chartering vs. a part timer. Additionally on a different point. I am sick to death of the so-called commercial fishermen who have other full time real jobs and commercially bass fish. In specific I know full time fireman and policemen who beat the hell out of the bass. I wonder how many of the guys commercial fishing at the block last year? I would suspect very few. Most probably had other jobs which they supplemented by helping to destroy a public resource. And don't tell me that they are providing a public service to feed bass to people who don't have access to bass to eat. No their doing it for the money pure and simple. If your a real commercial fisherman or charter captain, meaning that's how you feed your family I have sympathy, but not for the others.