Pats

[Clogston29]

Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't some water vapor liquify as temperature drops and reduce the quantity and therefore pressure of the gas. Maybe it's negligible.
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[Cool Beans]

Those lawyers are likely "haters" doing it Pro Mono

[Sea Dangles]

I wonder if they didn't brush the 12th football
Yeah,that's the ticket
Somebody forgot to
Do their job
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I wonder if they didn't brush the 12th football
Yeah,that's the ticket
Somebody forgot to
Do their job
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The 12 th ball I'm pretty sure was the one that got intercepted, how can they even count that one if the Colts had possession of it and may have compromised it?

[rphud]

You have to wonder how often they check balls at halftime or end of game in similar cold weather. This all just has to be tested well. 11 out of 12 tells me something "special" happened this time, unless they never check balls later in any other games. "Special" could be the measurements taken as well as somebody reducing the pressure.

I still think the biggest issue with ideal gas law is the"vessel".

[Slipknot]

I have no link, just common sense brought me to that conclusion.

I don't think there is any conspiracy


The NFL started this witch hunt

I'm sure they are spending as much time and money to try to come out of this horribly blown out of proportion situation by trying their best to come out smelling like roses. I think Bill is telling the truth and the truth will come out.

Bill's press conference yesterday was the BEST EVER


I have not heard anyone state anything about how when you check air pressure with a gauge of any kind, a small amount of air volume escapes, I wonder if that is accounted for since the ball is such a small object. So how many times were they poked?

NOBODY took any air out during the game! period.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I wonder if they didn't brush the 12th football
Yeah,that's the ticket
Somebody forgot to
Do their job
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You don't brush the KICKERS ball.
You are kicking it to the other team during a punt or kick off, you WANT it slippery with the silicon film on it....

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

You don't brush the KICKERS ball.
You are kicking it to the other team during a punt or kick off, you WANT it slippery with the silicon film on it....

The kickers ball is an entirely different issue,get some fresh air.
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[Sea Dangles]

Do you have a link?
Where did you read that?

This is a conspiracy in your opinion?
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[Cool Beans]

The coach's explanation is completely believable and "Plausible".. the NFL is going to end up with egg on their face...

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

The coach's explanation is completely believable and "Plausible".. the NFL is going to end up with egg on their face...

Don't know about that.
Here in New England (Ma.) Yes.
The rest of the country, not so much.
Like it or not, right or wrong, win or loose this will be part of their legacy, probably because of Spygate.

[Raider Ronnie]

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???

Spot on Spot on! I am still laughing over here.

[wader-dad]

There are reports that the Colts balls where checked at halftime and none of them lost any pressure. Not trying to be a wiseguy Jet fan but are those reports true?

[5/0]

Originally Posted by iamskippy

Spot on Spot on! I am still laughing over here.

Trial by media, I'm sure it's the same way you'd want to be treated....

You fu(k.

The pats are going to light up the sea hag's next wknd.

Again two words for ya.


Suck it!
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???

I laughed and thought some of it was funny

but it wasn't spot on

[Sea Dangles]

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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I didn't say that the 12th ball was the correct pressure, just that it was reported that 11 of the 12 were under pressure. The 12 could have been under pressure as well but seeing how it was in possession of a biased team, they can't include that one as under inflated. Is that more clear? I see things the way I see them because I wear a Pats t shirt and care about the team enough to defend them. They don't deserve all this bashing and pig piling and being accused of cheating just because of their awesomeness and success

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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Could it have been the one they took from the back-up supply to replace the one that got picked? Are they required to have 12 balls in the game supply?

Players who make a monumental play--first career TD, first 100 yard rushing game, first 1000 yard season, DBs who make picks, and so on, almost always take the game ball of the play to the sideline for posterity. That's probably why teams are required to have a back-up supply. I've been watching football since 1961 and can't ever recall a situation where a ball was so damaged in play that it couldn't be used.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Could it have been the one they took from the back-up supply to replace the one that got picked? Are they required to have 12 balls in the game supply?

It would certainly make sense that the backup balls if to be used by either team could/would be inflated or even prepped differently.

The more the Pats dig in the more I believe them. There's no way they could be sure evidence of tampering didn't exist if it indeed did.

[spence]

I don't think kickers use balls supplied by either team.

[Sea Dangles]

Btw, the NFL did not start this witch hunt. They are simply trying to decipher how the balls became under-inflated. They are doing their job.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Btw, the NFL did not start this witch hunt. They are simply trying to decipher how the balls became under-inflated. They are doing their job.
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they leaked it to Mortensen
therefore, they started it

I think IMO Harbaugh bitched about or put a bug in the Colts ear about it, then it went from there.

And Bill did his job trying to find out how they came in under inflated, he came up with a plausible reason and I believe him. I have no reason not to believe him. With all the crap they endure, there is no possible chance anyone with the team did anything to alter the balls once they went to the ref. If there was any evidence instead of just accusations, then it would have been settled by now.

[hq2]

Apparently you were not paying attention to Bill's press conference completely.

The process of breaking in the balls for better tackiness actually artificially raised the PSI by 1 lb , is what they just discovered this week, follow along here, then he said they give the balls to the ref, he makes sure it is 12.5 let's say. Now a couple hours go by and the balls are brought out to the field, since they have had time to acclimate for 2 hours in that controlled enviroment for a while after the rub down or whatever, they have gone back to the 1 psi less by gametime. They play the game in 45 degree weather wet and cold and lose another .5 psi. He said that, I heard him say a total of 1-1/2 lb . That is what they could come up with to explain a loss of pressure. Nobody let any air out.

That brings to question, after the refs made sure the balls were 12.5 psi minimum 2 hours before the game, why did they not check them right before the game? That would have accounted for 1 lb of air missing, but they did not and they did not correct them. We are talking about footballs here. weather change accounts for the other half pound.

I believe every word Bill said.

Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by hq2

Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

Doesn't make sense, the officials don't give the balls back to the team until just before game time.

[hq2]

Doesn't make sense, the officials don't give the balls back to the team until just before game time.

Doesn't matter. The Patriots are legally responsible for making sure
that WHATEVER they do, the balls are right at GAME TIME. Period.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by hq2

Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

It makes perfect sense to me but you forget that they are not in possession of the balls before the game and are not allowed to check the air pressure, that is up the the refs. I would say that if there was a sting operation going on, then the NFL should have done that. I suppose at the next game maybe they will recheck them moments before gametime, or maybe they will prepare them long enough beforehand to get them tacky and allow time for equilibrium to take it's course now that they are aware of that. Does that make any sense?

Are the Seahawk players going to have to give blood samples pre-game to make certain they are not on drugs? where is this going to end? never I guess

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

It makes perfect sense to me but you forget that they are not in possession of the balls before the game and are not allowed to check the air pressure, that is up the the refs. I would say that if there was a sting operation going on, then the NFL should have done that. I suppose at the next game maybe they will recheck them moments before gametime, or maybe they will prepare them long enough beforehand to get them tacky and allow time for equilibrium to take it's course now that they are aware of that. Does that make any sense?

Are the Seahawk players going to have to give blood samples pre-game to make certain they are not on drugs? where is this going to end? never I guess

Pats picked up their biggest juicer. That is why he couldn't play the first 4 games Bruce.
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[DZ]

Seahawks?? Who are they?

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pats picked up their biggest juicer. That is why he couldn't play the first 4 games Bruce.
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biggest? as in height?