Sanctuary cities

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I think it's more effective at creating democrat votes than preventing crime.
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Give that man a cigar!

Spence, it has nothing to do with fighting crime. It has to do with towing the liberal line.

[Nebe]

How about job creation for un skilled white males in the manual labor trades... Landscaping, roofing, construction, etc. Que?
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Originally Posted by Nebe

How about job creation for un skilled white males in the manual labor trades... Landscaping, roofing, construction, etc. Que?
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Good lord, Nebe just claimed construction was an un skilled trade

Flame on.

[Nebe]

You obviously have never rubbed elbows with a framing crew
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You obviously have never rubbed elbows with a framing crew
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Around here you're more likely to see roofers than framing.

[Fly Rod]

NEBE...U should read the book..."the millioniare next door."...and it may not B to late for U to become one....

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You obviously have never rubbed elbows with a framing crew
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I have worked in construction for over 40 years now and am considered by most to be highly skilled. What has been happening to this once proud profession is sad.

Unfortunately the illegals, who are unskilled in my opinion, provide cheap labor and do not pay workers compensation, insurance, taxes etc. making for an "uneven playing field". Legitimate companies can't compete with that.

You can subcontract the work to these illegals without the hassel of hiring as employees who would need documentation of their status.

Ok rant over ....time to head off to work ...probably to fix something that was framed improperly...not level/plumb, out of square, crooked, wrong measurement...

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

I have worked in construction for over 40 years now and am considered by most to be highly skilled. What has been happening to this once proud profession is sad.

Unfortunately the illegals, who are unskilled in my opinion, provide cheap labor and do not pay workers compensation, insurance, taxes etc. making for an "uneven playing field". Legitimate companies can't compete with that.

You can subcontract the work to these illegals without the hassel of hiring as employees who would need documentation of their status.

Ok rant over ....time to head off to work ...probably to fix something that was framed improperly...not level/plumb, out of square, crooked, wrong measurement...

Any company that subcontracts to a group without receiving insurance certificates is out of their mind. We hired a site company to dig some ground grids for us. We requested a cert. got one and the guy never paid the bill. Fast forward 6 months. We get an insurance audit. 10,000 dollars later we cover his ass on five or six projects he did for us under a certificate that was no good.
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[Nebe]

Why do you assume my net worth is less than 1 M ?
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[Jackbass]

Net worth over a million doesn't make a millionare. It makes an individual who has little access to free cash potentially high debt and operating costs that are high. My net worth is over a million dollars but I am frigging broke.

Sanctuary City like every other legal term or idea is open to interpretation. The city of Worcester just looked at proclaiming itself a sanctuary city, being the progressive super star that it is. City council doesn't understand why. But if San Fran is a sanctuary it's gotta be good.

My understanding is a municipality will not pursue individuals based on immigration status, further if an individual is involved with non violent illegal activity the Feds will not be notified based on immigration status.
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[Fly Rod]

Never assumed that....U mentioned un skilled labor......a million today is like 50 thou in the 70's....more then likely will not last in retirement....

[Nebe]

That is exactly the point I was trying to make .
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[Nebe]

Just remember.
Calling an illegal Alien an undocumented citizen is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.
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Originally Posted by Nebe

Just remember.
Calling an illegal Alien an undocumented citizen is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.
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Who calls them undocumented citizens?

[scottw]

I wonder if it will be acceptable if some cities or states declare themselves "sanctuaries" for "documented Americans" who want to avoid certain decisions being made at the federal level.....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Who calls them undocumented citizens?

"Huh? "Undocumented citizens"? The linguistic purist in me balked. Unlike "undocumented immigrants," the genteel euphemism for "illegal aliens," the phrase "undocumented citizens" was a contradiction in terms.

But as a Freudian slip it made sense. The speaker, despite her professions of homage to the rule of law, deep down probably thought that the distinction between an illegal immigrant and a citizen was a technicality. It was the same sentiment behind T-shirts at last year's immigration rally in Los Angeles that said: "I'm illegal. So what?"

"Undocumented citizen" has been popping up in other places. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, whose portfolio includes immigration, was asked at a conference in February about congressional restrictions that made it hard for social-service agencies to serve "undocumented citizens."

Chertoff didn't call the questioner on his inaccuracy, but the phrase has offended the ears of some conservatives. TV talk show host Glenn Beck had some fun recently with a Florida legislator who wants to abolish the term "illegal alien," which she says "makes people think of beings from outer space." (Really?) Her preferred term: That's right, "undocumented citizens."

This war of words over what to call 12 million non-citizens is more than another example of loose-talking liberals providing ammunition to conservative critics of "political correctness." Semantics aside, liberals on immigration reform—a group in which I count myself —too often give short shrift to the problem posed for many Americans by the fact that illegal aliens broke the law."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-oe...y03-story.html


"GOP Congressman Calls Illegal Aliens "Undocumented Citizens", Trusts Obama Administration

By Jon Feere, August 8, 2013

While holding a town hall meeting, Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.) was caught on video supporting amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, people he calls "undocumented citizens". In response to a question from a woman with illegal alien family members who have been in the country for over 13 years, he illustrated a lack of understanding of immigration policy and unjustifiable faith in the Obama administration to secure the border. Seven problems with his response are analyzed below. Here's his quote:

Undocumented citizens should have to come forward, they should have to self-identify, they should pay a penalty and back taxes, and the............."




Ben Rodgers @BenRodgers1
Two undocumented citizens were arrested at the #IAFreedomSummit while protesting http://goo.gl/wEQEjr via @DMRegister
11:11 PM - 24 Jan 2015
Des Moines Register

[Nebe]

Thanks scott
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[justplugit]

This immigration stuff is nothing more then political BS to get votes, not what's good for America.
What ever happened to our quota system???
Seal the border with a wall, use high tech detection systems, drones, etc. whatever.
THEN, send back all those who have committed crimes here first, followed by those who came here illegally crime free, who can be funneled back through the quota system.
Quotas are set for a reason, to prevent chaos like this.

Exceptions could be made for those who have become citizens and have children who have followed illegally with a requirement for them to become citizens within one year, if over 18 yrs. and by age 18 if under that age.
All those with past criminal records are banned.
We are not a criminal refuse country.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Seal the border with a wall, use high tech detection systems, drones, etc. whatever. THEN, send back all those who have committed crimes here first, followed by those who came here illegally crime free, who can be funneled back through the quota system.
Quotas are set for a reason, to prevent chaos like this.

That's pretty much Trump's plan. Except nobody but you and Donald seem to think it's feasible.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

That's pretty much Trump's plan. Except nobody but you and Donald seem to think it's feasible.

Let's hear your plan, Spence. No selective hearing here.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

That's pretty much Trump's plan. Except nobody but you and Donald seem to think it's feasible.

No, I think it's more along the lines of Charles Krauthammer, and good old common sense.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

No, I think it's more along the lines of Charles Krauthammer, and good old common sense.

Ok, we'll add Chuck to the list and now we're up to three.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's pretty much Trump's plan. Except nobody but you and Donald seem to think it's feasible.

You don't think it's feasible to deport the ones who have committed crimes here? Eisenhower, in 1954, deported all the illegals they could round-up, whether they had committed a crime or not. He deported over one million. It was called, amazingly, Operation Wetback. Not the most sensitive name to give the operation, but it showed that large-scale deportations aren't logistically impossible.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You don't think it's feasible to deport the ones who have committed crimes here? Eisenhower, in 1954, deported all the illegals they could round-up, whether they had committed a crime or not. He deported over one million. It was called, amazingly, Operation Wetback. Not the most sensitive name to give the operation, but it showed that large-scale deportations aren't logistically impossible.

I didn't say impossible I said feasible.

In 1954 the Mexican government wanted their people back because they needed the labor, it's a totally different scenario. Also back then I don't think people were woven and dispersed like they are now.

Perhaps even a bigger factor. In California which was a focus of the Operation about 8% of the State was of Hispanic/Latino decent...today that number is around 30%.

[Nebe]

^ king Phillip tried this in the late 1600's and it didn't work out so well.
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[Nebe]

With enough fire power and explosives anything is possible Jeff
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