So, how about our brilliant middle eastern vetting process

[Nebe]

Japan has a wonderful solution to Islam. It's simply not allowed to be practiced on Japan's soil.
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[JohnR]

And we are supposed to better than that. Though in practice a lot (not all or even most) of followers / believers of Islam is incompatible with the how we live in the USA and our Constitution. I wish it were otherwise.

Unfortunately if you feel that all followers of Islam can and want to peacefully integrate into our system and our laws and our governing, you are mistaken. This is not the fault of everyday Americans or our system of Government. No objective minded thinking person can possibly believe that the major part of the problem is with us, and not the followers of Islam.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Unfortunately if you feel that all followers of Islam can and want to peacefully integrate into our system and our laws and our governing, you are mistaken. This is not the fault of everyday Americans or our system of Government. No objective minded thinking person can possibly believe that the major part of the problem is with us, and not the followers of Islam.

This is pretty empty rhetoric. Nobody believes all Muslims can integrate into our system of government, though I'd note that of the hundreds of thousands that have only a handful have engaged in religiously motivated criminal behavior.

Really at the heart of this issue is if the issue is about Islam or politics. I'd say more often than not it's about power and religion is used as a tool to consolidate it.

Also, what is it that the regions producing Islamic extremists have in common? Hmmm, let me think...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

This is pretty empty rhetoric. Nobody believes all Muslims can integrate into our system of government, though I'd note that of the hundreds of thousands that have only a handful have engaged in religiously motivated criminal behavior.

The issue, simplified, is that their are immigrants (legal, illegal, radical, not radical) coming here and committing crime or worse injury and death. That is the issue. The vast, vast majority of immigrants come here and want to grow into the fabric of our land.

Now, our options are to keep them and have them assimilate into productive, lawful members of our society, not allow them to come, or to suffer an increase of reprisals against citizens here in his country.

I would have like to see them assimilate into productive, lawful members of our society. I do not realistically see how that will be done without a lot of death and turmoil. Hope is not a plan.

"Give me your poor tired huddled masses yearning to be free", not take advantage of our charity and protection, and maybe wage jihad.

Originally Posted by spence

Really at the heart of this issue is if the issue is about Islam or politics. I'd say more often than not it's about power and religion is used as a tool to consolidate it.

Also, what is it that the regions producing Islamic extremists have in common? Hmmm, let me think...

No, the heart of the issue is that we are a generally open and generally peaceful society, that (used to) want people to excel and do better than our ancestors. An improving, if imperfect, civilization. There are some that want to just kill in the name of their god.

What do they have in common? They are not in South America? or Japan?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This is pretty empty rhetoric. Nobody believes all Muslims can integrate into our system of government, though I'd note that of the hundreds of thousands that have only a handful have engaged in religiously motivated criminal behavior.

Really at the heart of this issue is if the issue is about Islam or politics. I'd say more often than not it's about power and religion is used as a tool to consolidate it.

Also, what is it that the regions producing Islamic extremists have in common? Hmmm, let me think...

"what is it that the regions producing Islamic extremists have in common? Hmmm, let me think."

The man in the CA shooting was born here. A couple of the terrorists from France were Belgian nationals, right? Obviously most are from the Middle East, but not all. People Muslims from all countries are getting radicalized.

So tell me, what do all those countries have in common? Seems to me that the only common thread, is that they allow Islam. And quite possibly they shouldn't.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And we are supposed to better than that. Though in practice a lot (not all or even most) of followers / believers of Islam is incompatible with the how we live in the USA and our Constitution. I wish it were otherwise.

Unfortunately if you feel that all followers of Islam can and want to peacefully integrate into our system and our laws and our governing, you are mistaken. This is not the fault of everyday Americans or our system of Government. No objective minded thinking person can possibly believe that the major part of the problem is with us, and not the followers of Islam.

"And we are supposed to better than that"

We are better than that. Right now, at this moment, the USA is by far, the best country on Earth to be a Muslim. We are trying to welcome them. It's not working. There isn't a country on the planet where Muslim immigrants aren't causing huge problems.

They have a cancer in their midst, and either they can't or won't deal with it. I think they, the peaceful Muslims, are running out of time. More countries will follow Japan's lead, they have no choice. Our way of life is many things, but I hope it's not a suicide pact.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Japan has a wonderful solution to Islam. It's simply not allowed to be practiced on Japan's soil.
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That and if they legalize...I'm there!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Japan has a wonderful solution to Islam. It's simply not allowed to be practiced on Japan's soil.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

And that is where many nations will end up, eventually. Bill Maher, for once, was right. That religion is the "mother load of bad ideas right now". The only question, is how many innocents will be slaughtered before we decide enough is enough.