Muslim Man VS Gun Range - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Fly Rod · 02-18-2016, 07:50 AM

American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the suit claims discriminatory reasons for, "muslim free zone....how quickly some americans forget how the 9/11 terroist trained in our country to fly the 747's....california terroist trained with a friend at a range prior to their attack of fellow workers....should they or not allow muslims at gun rangers?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mus...Kz&ocid=EIE9HP

buckman · 02-18-2016, 07:55 AM

My heart says, no you can't discriminate against Muslims in this situation. But my brain says, if you own a private company or a private club , You should be able to hire or exclude anybody. It's your choice .
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Nebe · 02-18-2016, 07:56 AM

Exchange Muslim for Jew and go back to the late 1930's Germany. How'd that work out?
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buckman · 02-18-2016, 08:05 AM

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Exchange Muslim for Jew and go back to the late 1930's Germany. How'd that work out?
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I'm sorry, I missed the part of history when the Jews were attacking the Germans in a jihad .
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Jim in CT · 02-18-2016, 10:15 AM

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Exchange Muslim for Jew and go back to the late 1930's Germany. How'd that work out?
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Nebe, unless you can show us evidence that the German Jews were flying jets into buildings in Berlin, that comparison is deeply, deeply flawed.

That said, i don't like it.

Jim in CT · 02-18-2016, 10:16 AM

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I'm sorry, I missed the part of history when the Jews were attacking the Germans in a jihad .
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Ding ding ding!! We have a winner...

spence · 02-18-2016, 10:21 AM

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I'm sorry, I missed the part of history when the Jews were attacking the Germans in a jihad .
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Ummmm, might want to revisit your history books there buck.

Jim in CT · 02-18-2016, 10:33 AM

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Ummmm, might want to revisit your history books there buck.

What are you saying? That the Jews represented a similar threat to Germans in 1935, as the Muslims represent to America today?

Nebe · 02-18-2016, 10:47 AM

With the proper propaganda and lies that were spread by the nazi party, Jews were made out to be just as great a threat to German national security as Muslim extremists are today. Also a bombing by Helmut Hirsch was used as a 9/11 type event to further rally Germans to unite and protect the home land. (Heard that one before?)
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spence · 02-18-2016, 10:48 AM

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What are you saying? That the Jews represented a similar threat to Germans in 1935, as the Muslims represent to America today?

Hitler sure was able to convince a lot of Germans that they were.

Nebe · 02-18-2016, 10:51 AM

Let's also remember the German embassy attack in Paris on November 7, 1938, a young Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan shot a few German officers in retribution to how his parents were being treated in Germany. Holy mackerel.... BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
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Jim in CT · 02-18-2016, 10:51 AM

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Hitler sure was able to convince a lot of Germans that they were.

But the fact is, the Jews WEREN'T a serious threat to german national security in 1935. Today in America, the Muslim community (a small part of it) is absolutely a threat.

Are you kidding?

Jim in CT · 02-18-2016, 10:53 AM

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Let's also remember the German embassy attack in Paris on November 7, 1938, a young Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan shot a few German officers in retribution to how his parents were being treated in Germany. Holy mackerel.... BENGHAZI!!!!!!!
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Nebe, are you suggetsing that the Jews started this fight with the Nazis? And that the Nazis acted in self defense?

Nebe · 02-18-2016, 10:56 AM

No. I'm suggesting that the Germans used a series of events made by a small handful of Jews to completely alienate an entire religious group. Now all German Jews were a threat. Just as.... Wait for it...... Wait for it........ All Muslims are being seen by some as a threat.
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Nebe · 02-18-2016, 11:20 AM

I edited my last post to be a little more clear. I await a rebuttal as to why I am wrong.
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buckman · 02-18-2016, 11:35 AM

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Hitler sure was able to convince a lot of Germans that they were.

So who's the " Hitler " now ?
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Nebe · 02-18-2016, 11:37 AM

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So who's the " Hitler " now ?
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The religious right
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buckman · 02-18-2016, 11:39 AM

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No. I'm suggesting that the Germans used a series of events made by a small handful of Jews to completely alienate an entire religious group. Now all German Jews were a threat. Just as.... Wait for it...... Wait for it........ All Muslims are being seen by some as a threat.
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Are you equating todays terrorism with a "handful of events " ?
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Nebe · 02-18-2016, 11:40 AM

Actually maybe it is the .oo1% of wealthy people in the country that is manipulating the religious right through the GOP to push an agenda of deregulation. Or something like that

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buckman · 02-18-2016, 11:41 AM

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The religious right
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That's off the charts insane !
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Nebe · 02-18-2016, 11:41 AM

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Are you equating todays terrorism with a "handful of events " ?
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Nope.
All I'm saying is you should open your eyes
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Jim in CT · 02-18-2016, 11:45 AM

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I edited my last post to be a little more clear. I await a rebuttal as to why I am wrong.
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In this case, I could fill the Pacific Ocean with reasons why you are wrong.

The Jews represented no large-scale threat to innocent Germans, at the time the Nazis began the roundups. Today, Muslims (a small group of Muslims) absolutely represent a serious threat to us. Please don't take my word for it, listen to what they are saying, watch what they are doing. No comparison whatsoever. Hitler was lying when he said "some Jews are a threat". I am not lying when I say "a small part of the Muslim community is a serious threat."

The American Christian right is Hitler, are we? Hmmm. How many innocent people have been murdered by the "religious right" in the last 20 years? Who is the Pope, as well as evangelical leaders, targeting for slaughter, exactly? Who have we declared jihad against?

"All Muslims are being seen by some as a threat."

Who are these "some" you are referring to? Who says that all Muslims are a threat? Someone with credibility, and a large following? Even Trump has said many times that most Muslims are swell, so I hope that's not who you are referring to. Same with Bush. I await your reply. Please tell us who says that all Muslims are a threat.

buckman · 02-18-2016, 11:47 AM

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Nope.
All I'm saying is you should open your eyes
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All I'm saying is, your new neighbor, the AK-47 toting Muslim that likes to go to the gun range every Saturday , would open your eyes .
And if you're saying it would not , then you're lying
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Nebe · 02-18-2016, 12:02 PM

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of Muslims who own guns in this country who are peaceful. All? No. But most are. Keep drinking the cool aid
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Nebe · 02-18-2016, 12:03 PM

In fact I was at addeville shooting sporting clays last year next to 2 saudi guys in their 20's. They were super cool guys.
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buckman · 02-18-2016, 12:15 PM

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In fact I was at addeville shooting sporting clays last year next to 2 saudi guys in their 20's. They were super cool guys.
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I have no doubt. One of my hunting buddies is a Muslim. I don't know if you saw my first response in this thread.
Nowadays it's just a matter of being careful .
Do you remember after 9/11 we were being asked to be on guard for Middle Eastern looking men driving yellow box trucks ? It wasn't being racist, it was being prudent .
I'm not really drinking the Kool-Aid, just being a realist .
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buckman · 02-18-2016, 12:17 PM

Just so this debate isn't one sided , do you think Muslims could be convinced by radical Islam that they should attack Christians ? I assume that you do
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spence · 02-18-2016, 12:31 PM

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Do you remember after 9/11 we were being asked to be on guard for Middle Eastern looking men driving yellow box trucks ? It wasn't being racist, it was being prudent .

Actually that was Oklahoma City.

buckman · 02-18-2016, 12:53 PM

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Actually that was Oklahoma City.

I think it was the first attack by radical Islam on the trade center.

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Rockport24 · 02-18-2016, 02:12 PM

you what's funny, we have these discussions but nobody every changes their mind about anything. This is true on facebook too. If anything it just strengthens each side's beliefs. Maybe that is why these discussions are worth it? Don't get me wrong I like to mix it up as much as the next guy, but with all the legit craziness going on on Facebook, I'm beginning to question if its even worth it!