Bernie appears to be a hypocrite on taxes

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

How about gun deaths ? I know how to stop that... Take away everyone's guns. Simple right? What's a little violation of your freedom?
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Over sixty percent of gun deaths in this country are suicide. The idea that taking guns from that sixty percent would eliminate the suicides is wishful thinking. Most of the other gun homicides would not be eliminated as homicides because they too would occur by other means. As it is, over 30% of homicides are done by other than guns. And gang violence accounts for a good portion of homicides. Eliminating guns would not get rid of gangs. Getting rid of gangs would be the easier solution. So taking guns away from everyone would eliminate gun deaths, but not most of the violent deaths. On the other hand, making law-abiding people gunless would leave them at the mercy of those gangs, criminals, or others, who could illegally purchase guns from a growing black market in guns.

And, I know . . . I know . . . we don't have to fear our government. But there are those instances in history when people were disarmed and then slaughtered by the government that disarmed them. Nazi Germany, Soviet Ukraine . . . etc. Disarming everyone could lead to more deaths, not less.

Anyway, what does gun control have to do with terrorist attacks? Wouldn't everyone being armed prevent or minimize some terrorist attacks.

[Nebe]

But then there was nafta.
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Originally Posted by Nebe

But then there was nafta.
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Please explain.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

But then there was nafta.
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That hut some people, no doubt. Did it play a role in the 2008 crash?

[Nebe]

Not going to waste my time.
Nafta screwed the American worker beyond belief.
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Originally Posted by Nebe

Not going to waste my time.
Nafta screwed the American worker beyond belief.
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I wouldn't say NAFTA has been a wild success but it hasn't "screwed" the American worker either. It's actually helped a lot of US based businesses create jobs here and kept a lot of manufacturing in the Americas versus Asia.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

I wouldn't say NAFTA has been a wild success but it hasn't "screwed" the American worker either. It's actually helped a lot of US based businesses create jobs here and kept a lot of manufacturing in the Americas versus Asia.

coming from the guy who would piss on your leg and tell you it's raining

I guess everyone has an opinion, and some have been brainwashed with so much bull that they believe it

so keeping a job or 2 in Mexico or Central America instead of going to China helps the people and businesses in the US how exactly? Tell that to the folks who lost their jobs and are out of work

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Not going to waste my time.
Nafta screwed the American worker beyond belief.
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true. But it helped the American consumer beyond belief, because things are so much cheaper.

We need to get out of the manufacturing mindset, and steer kids towards the best jobs that are likely to exist in the next 40 years. It's a bit more restrictive, but it's not impossible. Engineering, accounting, ANYTHING related to healthcare...

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

true. But it helped the American consumer beyond belief, because things are so much cheaper.

We need to get out of the manufacturing mindset, and steer kids towards the best jobs that are likely to exist in the next 40 years. It's a bit more restrictive, but it's not impossible. Engineering, accounting, ANYTHING related to healthcare...

Or the trades . Also a lot of jobs are going to be lost in the next 10 years due to automation .

Spence , what government branch do you work for anyways ? I'm just curious .
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Originally Posted by buckman

Or the trades . Also a lot of jobs are going to be created in the next 10 years due to innovation .
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Fixed.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Fixed.

So you are voting for Trump . You had us all fooled
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

Spence , what government branch do you work for anyways ? I'm just curious .

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the one that's completely screwed up and doesn't know it

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by buckman

Spence , what government branch do you work for anyways ? I'm just curious .
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[Sea Dangles]

Still does
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[Nebe]

Ross Perot called it.

Imagine if we never had nafta. We might still have a strong middle class. Heck.. Maybe Spence wouldn't have to shop at Marshalls anymore
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[Nebe]

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[Nebe]

Any treaty that sends any job across our borders screws American workers. And by workers I mean "the masses".

And all the savings? Right to the share holders and upper management. No wonder a ceo gets paid millions.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And all the savings? Right to the share holders and upper management. .
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The savings also went to anyone who buys anything.