I'm voting for trump.

[scottw]

"Just 5.7 percent of the Clinton Foundation’s massive 2014 budget actually went to charitable grants, according to the tax-exempt organization’s IRS filings. The rest went to salaries and employee benefits, fundraising and “other expenses"(hookers).”

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

"Just 5.7 percent of the Clinton Foundation’s massive 2014 budget actually went to charitable grants, according to the tax-exempt organization’s IRS filings. The rest went to salaries and employee benefits, fundraising and “other expenses"(hookers).”

If you'd lift a finger you'd know why this is a really ignorant and stupid thing to post. Or you're just spreading misinformation for fun.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

If you'd lift a finger you'd know why this is a really ignorant and stupid thing to post. Or you're just spreading misinformation for fun.

name calling power tool....

not surprising when Hillary needs a private jet to travel 20 miles probably yapping about global warming and unequal income distribution the whole way


Despite taking in an additional $30 million in 2014, the Clinton Foundation spent 40 percent less on charitable grants in 2014 than in 2013. Even as it slashed charitable spending, the foundation increased the amount spent on salaries, employee benefits and compensation by $5 million in 2014. The foundation also spent $5 million more “other expenses” in 2014.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by spence

It's mind boggling that some people think an erratic, habitually dishonest, bigoted and conspiracy driven scam artist is going to nominate Justices who fit any certain profile.

He came out with a list of people who he would pick from....Has Hillary come out with a list or should I assume it is one of many who cover her arse.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's mind boggling that some people think an erratic, habitually dishonest, bigoted and conspiracy driven scam artist is going to nominate Justices who fit any certain profile.

What's mind-boggling, is that you only see one candidate who has issues with the truth.

[scottw]

he's bitterly clinging to her

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What's mind-boggling, is that you only see one candidate who has issues with the truth.

Trump either outright lies or just makes stuff up pretty much every time he opens his mouth. He does it as strategy to distract, confuse and toy with the media. It's embarrassing. That people lap it up is disturbing.

There's no way to compare the two.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Trump either outright lies or just makes stuff up pretty much every time he opens his mouth. He does it as strategy to distract, confuse and toy with the media. It's embarrassing. That people lap it up is disturbing.

There's no way to compare the two.

you've never listened to a Clinton speech??

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

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There's no way to compare the two.

Trump is more likable.....and has better hair...and dresses better...and has a better looking spouse and daughter(sorry Paul)...and I don't think his spouse is a sexual predator....etc...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Trump either outright lies or just makes stuff up

He does what you do. And what Hillary does. And what Obama does. Except Trump is more original.

He creates new "memes." You other guys just keep repeating the same old ones over and over--"racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, sexist, misogynists, haters, hate-magnets," and on and on. Hillary just did it with her basket of memes which were supposed to describe her newer meme, the "deplorables". Yeah, she kind of did create a new one.

If you want to call them outright lies, Trump doesn't own memetic aspersions exclusively. The fact that you're suckered into believing your political paramour's memes says more about you than what you try to say about Trump.

pretty much every time he opens his mouth.

"pretty much every time he opens his mouth" is a sort of meme. Shame on you resorting to such tactics.

He does it as strategy to distract, confuse and toy with the media. It's embarrassing. That people lap it up is disturbing.

And Hillary doesn't??? Maannn . . . your are deep in the tank. Come up for some fresh air. Notice, I used some memes.

There's no way to compare the two.

That entire sentence is a an old and successful meme. As far as it being true, that's a far different matter. Between the two, there are comparisons and differences. So, WTF are you talking about?

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That entire sentence is a an old and successful meme. As far as it being true, that's a far different matter. Between the two, there are comparisons and differences. So, WTF are you talking about?

He does what I do? That's insulting.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Trump either outright lies or just makes stuff up pretty much every time he opens his mouth. He does it as strategy to distract, confuse and toy with the media. It's embarrassing. That people lap it up is disturbing.

There's no way to compare the two.

Trump is more juvenile.

Her deplorables comment was at least as offensive, and inappropriate, as anything he has said. The impact on the polling since she said it, would seem to indicate I am right.

Spence, you are literally the only person I know, besides her, who doesn't think she lied about the sniper thing. Your radar is off.

[JohnR]

Nebe - you really voting for Trump? Really? Truly? Were you drinking?

Originally Posted by Nebe

You can boil this problem down to the fact that there are parents out there that expect teachers to be responsible for how their children preform at school. That work ethic is taught at home by 2 solid parents who love each other and their children. If you don't have a solid family you can't have solid kids. I'm all for a happy tranny population in Provincetown but not as parents.
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Agree. Having seen many single parent kids (and having been one for a while), 2 healthy parent environment is worlds ahead of a broken family or worse. Though I don't know where to go on the tranny comment (I know some same sex couples that a great parents - the tranny thing might be a bridge too far - would need to see what the numbers and studies say - not the hugatherapy types)

Originally Posted by spence

Clinton isn't against "guns," she's against "some guns" and a lot of very smart military people agree with her.

If that alone is a reason to support Trump we're farked.

And many do not.

Originally Posted by spence

Trump either outright lies or just makes stuff up pretty much every time he opens his mouth. He does it as strategy to distract, confuse and toy with the media. It's embarrassing. That people lap it up is disturbing.

There's no way to compare the two.

Hillary outright lies, makes stuff up, and has the media covering for her. Though she does not suffer to as high a degree of mental touretts that Trump does.

[detbuch]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1108573]Nebe - you really voting for Trump? Really? Truly? Were you drinking?

Many of us are voting for Trump, not because of who he personally is, but because he is on the ticket for the party that has any realistic chance of reversing the Progressive takeover of the American political process and reshaping it into their own authoritarian image.

Trump got the nomination. For good or ill, that's the big elephant fact in the room. If he wins, he won't be around forever. Probably only one term, if he lasts that long. And we still haven't been transformed to the point that the President is a total dictator. We're inching toward that, at least toward the point where he is the visible figurehead of an all-powerful central government.

So he will be held in check not only by Progressives, but by those in his party who oppose that kind of transformation. Because so many in his party oppose him, his use of the bully pulpit will only go as far as his majority in Congress will allow him--if he has a majority. That would, as well, at least temporarily, hold in check our trajectory into authoritarianism. So the only real concern, as far as the future direction of the country goes, would be whom he nominates for the Court. And, like anything else he will do, he will be advised. And, I am guessing, his advisers won't be Progressive.

[Nebe]

What part of the 2nd amendment is so hard to understand ? " The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed "

So spence, you support infringing on those rights?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

What part of the 2nd amendment is so hard to understand ? " The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed "

So spence, you support infringing on those rights?
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You didn't define arms.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

You didn't define arms.
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Neither does the Constitution. If the Framers had intended to specify only specific weapons, they would have done so. Obviously, they meant "arms" in the general meaning of military or other weapons.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Neither does the Constitution. If the Framers had intended to specify only specific weapons, they would have done so. Obviously, they meant "arms" in the general meaning of military or other weapons.

So I guess nukes are in scope then. Those are pretty general in the meaning of military or other weapons.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

So I guess nukes are in scope then. Those are pretty general in the meaning of military or other weapons.
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So I guess you're an extremist in spite of your pretension that you aren't. Who is it that can afford to buy an arsenal of nukes? And where do they buy them? At your local gun shop or at Walmart? Can they even find a legitimate nuke manufacturer that would fill their order?

I suppose if Trump or Soros could afford diminishing their fortunes merely to buy a bunch of nukes, and found a legitimate manufacturer who would sell them, they would have a right to do so. On the other hand, there seem to be worldwide treaties banning the ownership of nukes by those who don't already have them. And it seems that the vast majority of people support that. And I suppose that if a majority of American citizens by vote in three fourth of the States supported an amendment to the Constitution that limited or abolished the second amendment and the Supreme Court held that as constitutional, that would be the end of it.

And why do you not believe that is the Progressive end game?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

What part of the 2nd amendment is so hard to understand ? " The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed "

So spence, you support infringing on those rights?
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Of course he does. That's what liberalism is. He also supports infringing upon the right to freedom of religion. That's just as explicit in the Constitution as the right to keep and bear arms.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Quite the contrary, I've repeatedly said he's very erratic. I do think his offensive remarks are a combination of calculation and just revealing who he really is.

You said "Trump either outright lies or just makes stuff up pretty much every time he opens his mouth. He does it as strategy to distract, confuse and toy with the media." Sounds pretty calculating to me--and every time he opens his mouth. Sounds like he is always calculating, not very erratic.

And lie about his numerous failures and scandals. Must have been nice to start a career with millions of dollars and the system in your father's pocket. When that cashflow dried up there's always Wall Street to fleece, and the taxpayers. Good thing he's possibly got Russian oligarchs propping his business up. One thing Trump is good at is profiting off of other's losses.

The way you put it, it sounds like he really knows how to work the system. Sounds pretty savvy. Sounds pretty effective. He knows how to get things done in a milieu of corruption such as existed in New York and New Jersey(and exists now in most government and big union entities). You had to know the right people who could help you work with and around corrupt unions, corrupt politicians and corrupt State, City, and Federal officials, as well as dangerous Mafia bosses. I'm sure Trump learned a lot of things about big money being in bed with government, and with shady people who had to be dealt with. He knew he had to cozy up to Democrats, attend a wedding or two, make some big donations. You know, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

Sounds like he knows how to make deals with powerful people and groups. Perhaps he's learned enough to handle shysters like Putin and Iranian bureaucrats without giving away the store.

As for profiting off of other's losses, that's what big money people do. Your boy Warren Buffet is good at that. If you are in the stock market in any way, you do it too. And that's what businesses do when they compete with others.

I think we're a long way from that.

I hope your right, except that "a long way from" still implies that it will happen. You progressives are very persistent.

But if that is so (that we have not already arrived at the point where the President can, without the approval of Congress, do whatever he wants), then why are you guys so afraid of Trump? Perhaps, you should all be more afraid of our corrupted, authoritarian government. And maybe Trump can be the guy who blows it up.

[Slipknot]

exactly right debutch

I'd pay money to see a debate between you and spence rather than watch a presidential debate