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01-30-2017, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
He has betrayed our ideals, America does not treat human beings with such utter contempt, we’ve never had such an indifference to others’ welfare and never inflicted such needless pain and suffering. Why are the Saudi’s or UAE excluded? Trump does not have a shred of empathy or compassion. He has only an insecure ego, quick to be insulted and to insult.
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Paul S, WDMSO...
Obama banned refugees from war-torn Iraq for 6 months, no one on the left went berserk about what he was doing. Bill Clinton banned immigration from war-torn Sierra Leone, no one went berserk about what he was doing.
A temporary ban, until we can figure out how to do it safely. Seems very, very consistent with the oath he just took. I don't like the ban, I especially don't like the religious litmus test. But if it was OK when Obama and Bill Clinton did it, I can only think of reason for the uproar over Trump doing the same thing.
WDMSO: "the ban was just to feed the base their hunk of red meat..
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So what was it, when Obama and Bill Clinton did it? |
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01-30-2017, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
So what was it, when Obama and Bill Clinton did it?
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brilliant strategy |
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01-30-2017, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
brilliant strategy
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And even worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize, apparently.
Nope, no double standard. |
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01-30-2017, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
So what was it, when Obama and Bill Clinton did it?
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I was talking about Trump in general and not specifically to the recent ban but I believe that there was never a 'ban" by Obama. If I remember correctly, we discovered someone who had been admitted from Iraq was later found to have some terrorist connection or something similiar so they decided to look at all of the people who were previously admitted and to impose new harsher checks and that delayed those in the pipeline. I think the entry of green card and visa holders was not impacted also.
Trump claimed he discussed it w/various departments (state, homeland, etc) and they have all said he didn't.
So the slow down w/Obama was as a result of an actual incident while Trump's is not. |
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01-30-2017, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I was talking about Trump in general and not specifically to the recent ban but I believe that there was never a 'ban" by Obama. If I remember correctly, we discovered someone who had been admitted from Iraq was later found to have some terrorist connection or something similiar so they decided to look at all of the people who were previously admitted and to impose new harsher checks and that delayed those in the pipeline. I think the entry of green card and visa holders was not impacted also.
Trump claimed he discussed it w/various departments (state, homeland, etc) and they have all said he didn't.
So the slow down w/Obama was as a result of an actual incident while Trump's is not.
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"I believe that there was never a 'ban" by Obama."
A 6-month moratorium. Look it up. http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...rrorism-fears/
"Obama was as a result of an actual incident while Trump's is not"
Oh, I see! So according to you, then, it's better to wait until after an incident happens and then respond, than it is to prevent a terrorist incident. I'd rather stop the incident before it happens.
This is a brutal problem Paul. Like it or not, Trump's first priority is the welfare of Americans over the welfare of anyone else. That's not always easy. If Trump did this because he is a bigot, shame on him. If he did this because he genuinely feels there is a risk to letting refugees in, well then, that sounds an awful lot like what Obama and Clinton did. And that didn't stop Obama and Clinton from becoming liberal heroes. |
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01-30-2017, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"I believe that there was never a 'ban" by Obama."
A 6-month moratorium. Look it up. http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...rrorism-fears/Breitbart  find another source - one that is honest. As I said it did not effect people w/green cards or visas like this did.
"Obama was as a result of an actual incident while Trump's is not"
Oh, I see! So according to you, then, it's better to wait until after an incident happens and then respond, than it is to prevent a terrorist incident. I'd rather stop the incident before it happens. Increased vetting was put into place after that incident to prevent future incidents (which have not happened).
This is a brutal problem Paul. Like it or not, Trump's first priority is the welfare of Americans over the welfare of anyone else. That's not always easy. If Trump did this because he is a bigot, shame on him. If he did this because he genuinely feels there is a risk to letting refugees in, well then, that sounds an awful lot like what Obama and Clinton did. And that didn't stop Obama and Clinton from becoming liberal heroes. |
Do some research and you will see it is VASTLY different from what Obama did. You're getting your info. from a source that has been dishonest in the past. |
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01-30-2017, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Do some research and you will see it is VASTLY different from what Obama did. You're getting your info. from a source that has been dishonest in the past.
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"Do some research and you will see it is VASTLY different from what Obama did"
How so, Paul? I made my claim, I supported it with a link.
I figured you'd like my source. When 95% of the media won't report anything that makes Obama look anything less than perfect, the options do get limited. If The New York Times took their profession seriously, they would have reported on it. I haven't heard anyone (except you) deny that Obama implemented a ban. Yes, the ban was enacted after it was alleged that terrorists had smuggled themselves in with the refugees. Seems to me, that alone, suggests Trump has a point.
Isn't it better to be proactive than reactive, when it comes to terrorism? You made it sound like waiting until after the incident happened, is the better way to go. |
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01-30-2017, 11:31 AM
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Where those 2 from Iraq? |
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01-30-2017, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Where those 2 from Iraq?
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No, but they came through the same vetting process you just claimed works better since 2011. |
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