The apprentice lives.

[wdmso]

"Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."

he cant go any place with out talking about himself


"At this point, there is no proof of any such offense. But the piling on, the constant insinuation and innuendo is intended, if not to remove him form office, at least to weaken him to the point of being ineffective and an albatross around the neck of their opposition in the next election. "

Since when has proof been a bar Republicans hold dear ???. so much for personal responsibility
I recall wanting to impeach a pres for a blow job Lying under oath but now??

its sad to see his supports are going along playing the victim card when.. Trump is the source of all his problems ..

you cant expect proof when you fire the guy conducting the investigation or when none have submitted results of a pending investigation

[scottw]

no one used the words "I" and "me" more than his predecessor...it's documented


isn't lying under oath a crime? I think you can get up to 5 years...or a multi million dollar book deal

[JohnR]

Yes - you have the Sloppy Narcissist, Trump following the Neat Narcissist, Obama.

I hate Trump. He is a shallow, reflexive person with a filter that alternates between good tactical and opticalrectumitis. I am starting to think his ego for running for President (job is harder than he thought) is to rub elbows with other world leaders - like the next level of his biz CEO contemporaries.

But he is filling a niche that has not been filled for sometime, a more moderate, Constitutional / Law-centric position (arguably at least where/when it does not apply to him).

Law: Borders
Customs: Lawful entry
Customs: Import fees (I'm seeing people paying more in import fees then ever before)
2A:
National Defense: resolving some budgeting wrongs (CR not only reduced money but had money restricted to wrong places)

I can't stand Trump but I am not convinced he is worse than Hillary

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yes - you have the Sloppy Narcissist, Trump following the Neat Narcissist, Obama.

I hate Trump. He is a shallow, reflexive person with a filter that alternates between good tactical and opticalrectumitis. I am starting to think his ego for running for President (job is harder than he thought) is to rub elbows with other world leaders - like the next level of his biz CEO contemporaries.

But he is filling a niche that has not been filled for sometime, a more moderate, Constitutional / Law-centric position (arguably at least where/when it does not apply to him).

Law: Borders
Customs: Lawful entry
Customs: Import fees (I'm seeing people paying more in import fees then ever before)
2A:
National Defense: resolving some budgeting wrongs (CR not only reduced money but had money restricted to wrong places)

I can't stand Trump but I am not convinced he is worse than Hillary

pretty much sums it up...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I can't stand Trump but I am not convinced he is worse than Hillary

like I said before,

I'm not happy he won, But I'm happy as hell she didn't.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yes - you have the Sloppy Narcissist, Trump following the Neat Narcissist, Obama.

THat is a good way of describing them - although I would add Trump is a serial liar.

[Got Stripers]

His problem is he can't get out of his own way. He might accomplish much if he could keep his foot out of his mouth or his thumbs of the twitter keyboard long enough to focus on governing. He lives in the past and can't stand loosing even the most inconsequential battles.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

His problem is he can't get out of his own way. He might accomplish much if he could keep his foot out of his mouth or his thumbs of the twitter keyboard long enough to focus on governing. He lives in the past and can't stand loosing even the most inconsequential battles.
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I agree. His style is making me cringe
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

I agree. His style is making me cringe
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Oh yeah....absolutely
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[wdmso]

He is running out out of Road on the credibility Highway ...

just look at current approval ratings Most recent weekly average 38% May 8-14, 2017

Low point, three-day average 35% Mar 26-28, 2017

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

He is running out out of Road on the credibility Highway ...

just look at current approval ratings Most recent weekly average 38% May 8-14, 2017

Low point, three-day average 35% Mar 26-28, 2017

So it's going up
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[wdmso]

Trump has said the decision to appoint a special counsel to oversee the inquiry into Russian influence on his election is hurting America "terribly".

He told journalists on Thursday: "I respect the move, but the entire thing has been a witch hunt."

he wont stop

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

he wont stop

You and he have something in common.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump has said the decision to appoint a special counsel to oversee the inquiry into Russian influence on his election is hurting America "terribly".

He told journalists on Thursday: "I respect the move, but the entire thing has been a witch hunt."

he wont stop

that is because it IS

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

that is because it IS

Yes, there has been no interactions w/the Russians and the Trump campaign

Too bad the Trump admin. could not have sent someone to Andy's shootout. Andy could have taught them to shoot straight and not shoot themselves in the foot.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, there has been no interactions w/the Russians and the Trump campaign

Too bad the Trump admin. could not have sent someone to Andy's shootout. Andy could have taught them to shoot straight and not shoot themselves in the foot.

If you have proof you better leak it now . So far we have seen nothing .
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[PaulS]

Since it was a slow day politically this is what I did

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

that is because it IS

I said that about Benghazi and all the hearings and investigations by the R's showed that to be the case ..

and laid out my argument I dont see an argument laid out about how it has nothing to do with the russian but seems congress does but even that isn't enough


Not sure why the same standard of evidence is not required let the chips fall where they may . but i would guess you wouldn't accept the out come if it didn't match what you all ready think..

"I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Mr Trump told the Russian officials, the Times reported.
"I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

What a leader and people wonder why some are leaking " they must be trying to make America great again "

[buckman]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1122286]I said that about Benghazi and all the hearings and investigations by the R's showed that to be the case ..

Not sure why the same standard of evidence is not required let the chips fall where they may . but i would guess you wouldn't accept the out come if it didn't match what you all ready think..

"I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Mr Trump told the Russian officials, the Times reported.
"I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

What a leader and people wonder why some are leaking " they must be trying to make America great again "[/QUOTE.

Well except that they blatantly lied on TV about it being a tape . There is that 🙄

You do know that the New York Times and Washington Post is not news right ? Rumors do not equate with evidence
You sound like one of those nut jobs that believes the "Enquirer" is true
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[Nebe]

[QUOTE=buckman;1122289]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I said that about Benghazi and all the hearings and investigations by the R's showed that to be the case ..

Not sure why the same standard of evidence is not required let the chips fall where they may . but i would guess you wouldn't accept the out come if it didn't match what you all ready think..

"I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Mr Trump told the Russian officials, the Times reported.
"I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

What a leader and people wonder why some are leaking " they must be trying to make America great again "[/QUOTE.

Well except that they blatantly lied on TV about it being a tape . There is that 🙄

You do know that the New York Times and Washington Post is not news right ? Rumors do not equate with evidence
You sound like one of those nut jobs that believes the "Enquirer" is true
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With that logic
Neither is Fox News.
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=buckman;1122289]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I said that about Benghazi and all the hearings and investigations by the R's showed that to be the case ..



Well except that they blatantly lied on TV about it being a tape . There is that �� you seem to forget they changed that narrative 3 days into it ... Trumps administration has lied and the changed their narrative on every time they open their mouth .. and investagation were held and found nothing ... and how amazing since Trump got elected no more investigations into Benghazi ...


You do know that the New York Times and Washington Post is not news right ? Rumors do not equate with evidence

Wow now thats an Amazing statement what news do you think is Real

Yes rumors do not equate with evidence .. May be you should have had the same standard for Obama or Hillary then you'd have some creditability when you make comments like New York Times and Washington Post is not news right


Let the investigation run its course.... see the difference ... I'll accept the outcome ... will you ??? ( its a witch hunt ??? who runs both houses?? oh right the republicans ...

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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I said that about Benghazi and all the hearings and investigations by the R's showed that to be the case ..The R's were nowhere near as butthurt from losing the executive office as the Dem's and their extreme vitriole and hatred to the point of vicious claims to kill him by a thousands cuts and will not allow him to do his job. You want a socialist country where the government takes care of everyone at the expense of future national debt that is your choice, well it sure is not mine and a little more than half of the rest of this nation.




and laid out my argument I dont see an argument laid out about how it has nothing to do with the russian but seems congress does but even that isn't enough congress is kowtowing to left wing media hype public opinion




Not sure why the same standard of evidence is not required let the chips fall where they may . but i would guess you wouldn't accept the out come if it didn't match what you all ready think..who said I already decided, if there is evidence of a crime, then fine I'll accept that but I don't see any yet. It wouldn't surprise me either way

"I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Mr Trump told the Russian officials, the Times reported.
"I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

What a leader and people wonder why some are leaking " they must be trying to make America great again "

yep, drain the swamp

I guess he didn't tell us he is filling it back up with his swampy water.
better than communists though

[PaulS]

Yes, lets talk about something important like whiney college students.

[detbuch]

Not all people are gifted with the ability to talk about more than one subject.

[scottw]

Lester Holt referred to Roger Ailes as the "disgraced former FOX News Chief" this morning


I suspect that when Bill Clinton croaks he will likewise refer to Clinton and the "disgraced former US President and Commander-in -Chief "

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

Lester Holt referred to Roger Ailes as the "disgraced former FOX News Chief" this morning


I suspect that when Bill Clinton croaks he will likewise refer to Clinton and the "disgraced former US President and Commander-in -Chief "

But Holt is merely whining. You have to understand that shutting down free speech and selectively throwing mud on your opposition is just whining and not worth the bother to talk about when there is far more important stuff like discussing the earth shaking gravity of possible collusion for which there is no evidence.

[PaulS]

Mr. Brennan said. “I said American voters would be outraged by any Russian attempt to interfere in the election.”





Mr. Brennan’s prediction proved inaccurate. Though intelligence agencies are unanimous in their belief that Russia directly interfered in the election, it has become a divisive partisan issue, with Democrats far more likely than Republicans to accept the conclusion. Mr. Trump has declared that “Russia is fake news” and has tried to undermine the conclusions of his own intelligence services.





He has also tried repeatedly to beat back news reports about his campaign’s ties to Russia. White House officials tried to enlist the F.B.I. and C.I.A. to dispute stories early this year. Then, after the F.B.I. publicly confirmed its investigation, Mr. Trump asked Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, and Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, to publicly deny any collusion between Russia and his campaign, according to two former American officials. The Washington Post first reported Mr. Trump’s entreaties.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Mr. Brennan said. “I said American voters would be outraged by any Russian attempt to interfere in the election.”

Ten things Ramble:

1 - Where was the outrage by the dems for the past 90 years of russian / soviet attempts to influence politics in US ?

2 - There is evidence Russia worked with Trump team people.

3 - The evidence has not (yet) proved illegal from what we can see

4 - There is a lot of crap behind the scenes that if true will be bad for Trump - but most/all of it is hearsay

5 - The news channels have been very right and horribly wrong covering this. Sometimes bad luck, sometimes bad reporting, sometimes inherent bias

6 - Resist! Fascist methods to put down the supposed Fascists.

7 - Russians interfere and disrupt - IIWTD - IT IS WHAT THEY DO

8 - Political sabotage: many Anti-Trumpers are sabotaging Trump's team wrapping themselves in the cloak of patriotism even when it is merely for personal / political gain. Makes it difficult to separate the truth from fiction.

9 - IIWTD

10 - Hillary or Trump - we loose either way.

There is significant evidence Russia committed a massive operation to influence, dis-inform, disrupt, and undermine our faith in our government and electoral process. They succeeded as BOTH sides TEAR Each Other Apart, neither willing to team up.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Ten things Ramble:

1 - Where was the outrage by the dems for the past 90 years of russian / soviet attempts to influence politics in US ?

The Russians did more than attempt, they succeeded. And in the most critical way. The Soviet infiltration of FDR's cabinet and overall administration was key to delivering China and Eastern Europe to Communism. And the Dems covered that up and allowed it to continue. They destroyed Joseph McCarthy when he tried to call attention to what happened and to the fact that Soviet agents were still imbedded in the U.S. government.

Nor were the Dems outraged, or even interested, when it was revealed that Ted Kennedy, a sitting Senator, had tried to get the Russians to influence the election against Reagan. Nor was there any big deal about the Obama administration allowing the Uranium One deal as part of a supposed "reset" with Russia.

Romney was laughed at by the Dems when he said Russia was our number one enemy. The Cold War was supposedly over and the Dems wanted to work with Russia--then. Now, of course, Russia is the worst boogeyman, and Trump is supposedly colluding with them.

There is significant evidence Russia committed a massive operation to influence, dis-inform, disrupt, and undermine our faith in our government and electoral process. They succeeded as BOTH sides TEAR Each Other Apart, neither willing to team up.

The Democrats and fellow-traveler segment of the GOP both do a good job of undermining our faith in our government. The Russians can't hope to match the undermining of government done by our own people.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The Democrats and fellow-traveler segment of the GOP both do a good job of undermining our faith in our government. The Russians can't hope to match the undermining of government done by our own people.

Yet shoot or detain their own