Comey

[buckman]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Since there is no crime to "investigate," firing Mueller would be a nothing-burger. But it would be great political theater. The entertainment should last for months. Hope he does it.

I agree . Meanwhile he continues plugging along with his agenda .
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[wdmso]

It's called capt of the ship Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done to include Flynn. And asking comey to hope he could leave it alone .. no sure how Trump supports can't understand his meaning.. but yet again they love telling us what he ment to say.. even though we all understand the suggestion
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It's called capt of the ship Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done to include Flynn. And asking comey to hope he could leave it alone .. no sure how Trump supports can't understand his meaning.. but yet again they love telling us what he ment to say.. even though we all understand the suggestion
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He meant what he said . He hoped !
What did Lynch mean when she directed Comey to call Hillary's investigation a "matter" ??
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It's called capt of the ship Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done to include Flynn. And asking comey to hope he could leave it alone .. no sure how Trump supports can't understand his meaning.. but yet again they love telling us what he ment to say.. even though we all understand the suggestion
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"Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done "

Oh, I see. So when Comey also said that Obama's Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, pressured him to downplay the Hilary email investigation...then using your logic, Obama "owns" that, correct? Or are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar, a sexist, an unbelievable egomaniac, and a bully. We know these things, we know them for a fact.

But how do you criticize Trump for pressuring the FBI director, unless you can similarly criticize Obama?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done "

Oh, I see. So when Comey also said that Obama's Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, pressured him to downplay the Hilary email investigation...then using your logic, Obama "owns" that, correct? Or are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar, a sexist, an unbelievable egomaniac, and a bully. We know these things, we know them for a fact.

But how do you criticize Trump for pressuring the FBI director, unless you can similarly criticize Obama?

Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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Trump didn't ask either . Why are you repeating talking points instead of stating fact ? Most of what people assume is fact about what Trump is , what he said or what he has done is not based on fact, but on media assumptions , what ifs and made up lies .
Show me where he said to drop an investigation .
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

Trump didn't ask either . Why are you repeating talking points instead of stating fact ? Most of what people assume is fact about what Trump is , what he said or what he has done is not based on fact, but on media assumptions , what ifs and made up lies .
Show me where he said to drop an investigation .
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I hope you can let this go Or is that to cryptic for you... I hope you'll come home with me said the Jon to the prostitute , let me guess you think he was asking her on a date
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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Oh, I see now. It's OK to interfere with the FBI to get them to downplay an investigation, but not OK to ask them to back off.

"and still carry his water "

I am honest. Not the same as carrying anyone's water. All I as is that you hold democrats and republicans to the same standard, and it's apparently asking way too much.

" am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions"

I think it's fair to point out the glaring double standard. Doesn't mean I don't have complete disdain for the guy.

[boot man]

Are there tapes?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar,

Trump is now officially a politician. Lying in some form or other is primary political methodology.

a sexist,

He has placed women in key, very important positions in his administration. He has done so in his private business as well. He seems to adore and respect his wife and daughter. If divorce or unmarried sex is sexism, then most Americans are sexist.

an unbelievable egomaniac,

It is neither unbelievable, nor totally egomaniacal. He shows appreciation for work well done, and for things done for him personally, politically, and financially. And besides, he is now officially a politician. Big egos, as well as clever lying, are prerequisites for political office. For most, those are bad only when politicians on the other side are like that. For our guys, it's a good thing. You may be more of a political purist than you have expressed in the past. You are, though, backing his politics in spite of your personal dislike of him


and a bully.

Ditto the being a politician thing. His "bullying" is not as subtle as most, probably because he has so much and so many to fight against. And because his agenda is so radically opposed to what establishment politicians do who want to keep their power. He doesn't seem to care how "unpresidential" or politically incorrect he is. It doesn't seem that holding onto power above all else is what he is about.

His bullying may be more of a contentiousness against so much establishment opposition--including most of the media, the Democrat party, a big chunk of his own party, Holywood, entertainment shows, and his having been successfully demonized.

We know these things, we know them for a fact.

Maybe for a bit of fact, but more so as the very negative and overstated characterization of him successfully established by his opponents.

[scottw]

"The study found that US Presidents exhibit elevated levels of grandiose narcissism compared with the general population, and that presidents' grandiose narcissism has been rising over time.

The relentless increases in extraversion and narcissism in US Presidents through history, which this study found, could stem, the authors speculate, from the heightened demands on political figures to be publicly charismatic and flamboyant, as media coverage gets more intense."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-does-ego-rule

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Maybe for a bit of fact, but more so as the very negative and overstated characterization of him successfully established by his opponents.

Agreed 100%. He isn't nearly as evil as he is portrayed to be. But I don't think he is a good guy. Bush 43 is a really good and decent person. Trump isn't the personification of evil, but not a good guy IMHO.

He bragged about the size of his hands, at a presidential debate. I still have a hard time digesting that.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Agreed 100%. He isn't nearly as evil as he is portrayed to be. But I don't think he is a good guy. Bush 43 is a really good and decent person. Trump isn't the personification of evil, but not a good guy IMHO.

Sometimes "good guys" make lousy Presidents, and sometimes not-so-good guys are effective Presidents.

He bragged about the size of his hands, at a presidential debate. I still have a hard time digesting that.

The size of his hands thing was not braggadocio as much as a retort to a report that his hands were small (implying, idiotically, that his manhood member was therefor also small). It was Trump-like to respond to such idiocy, not Presidential, but he doesn't let anything go. Bush let too much go unanswered. Maybe you can suggest what the perfect balance is.

At any rate, Trump's showing the size of his hands was to disprove the idiotic allegation, not bragging. And, it was proven that the photo accompanying the idiotic article about the size of Trump's hands was photo-shopped--totally fabricated, as is the case in many accusations against Trump.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The size of his hands thing was not braggadocio as much as a retort to a report that his hands were small (implying, idiotically, that his manhood member was therefor also small). It was Trump-like to respond to such idiocy, not Presidential, but he doesn't let anything go. Bush let too much go unanswered. Maybe you can suggest what the perfect balance is.

At any rate, Trump's showing the size of his hands was to disprove the idiotic allegation, not bragging. And, it was proven that the photo accompanying the idiotic article about the size of Trump's hands was photo-shopped--totally fabricated, as is the case in many accusations against Trump.

"Maybe you can suggest what the perfect balance is."

What Trey Gowdy would say, is the right answer. Not what Milo what's-his-face would say. I don't even know what words to use to describe Trump anymore. But if they re-did the election tomorrow, and he was the GOP nominee, I'd vote for him in a second.

"it was proven that the photo accompanying the idiotic article about "

Was the video feed fake too? Because his words there...I dunno.


"totally fabricated, as is the case in many accusations against Trump"

The media has gone completely off the deep end.

[PaulS]

I thought that Flynn likely broke the law by failing to register as a agent of a foreign country as he didn't disclose the payments he received.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I thought that Flynn likely broke the law by failing to register as a agent of a foreign country

???

probably depends on what the meaning of "likely" is

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

and Bill Clinton, we were told, could be a complete dirt bag/reprobate in his personal/private life(and occasionally in the oval office)...yet simultaneously be a fabulous president...the two were in no way related...Obama could have all kinds of dubious acquaintances and predilections which.... actually made him more qualified for the office as they showed his "open mindedness". Kerry and Gore had HRC had flaws that we were told were either irrelevant or in some perverted way qualifiers for the office they sought

I've not enjoyed the mainstream news, NPR and on as much as I do currently....non-stop mindless cackling by self-important preeners who are offended by the fact that no one seems to be listening to them.....when you speak day in and day out using the same catch phrases filled with indignation bordering on lunacy complaining about things you've overlooked or condoned and defended not so many years ago, you tend to undermine you own credibility regardless of the seriousness of your message....

for Trumps supporters, every "attack" hardens their resolution...for the folks that find themselves on the same side of the aisle grudgingly affiliated it's just more shoulder shrugging...."Trump might be bad but you people are insane"

it's early...the fun is only beginning

I don't believe Trump has ever asked for a "gratuitous stroke"..though Bill Clinton no doubt regularly requested them... and Obama was tongue bathed in them like no other president in our history....

I liked some of the Schaedenfreude but I can't take 4 years of it (there won't be 8, Trump does not have the stamina).

Originally Posted by PaulS

Or fire a special prosecuter that is investigating you.
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Originally Posted by detbuch

Since there is no crime to "investigate," firing Mueller would be a nothing-burger. But it would be great political theater. The entertainment should last for months. Hope he does it.

We don't know there is no crime. We have reason to believe DJT is not the focus of the investigation - at least until he stepped on his crank.

Originally Posted by PaulS

I thought that Flynn likely broke the law by failing to register as a agent of a foreign country as he didn't disclose the payments he received.

And possibly other things as well. I would hope it would be fair and fast for the sake of our county but I now expect it might be painful and long. IN the end, hard to say who will have done worse by out Country; Obama, Obama to Trump, or the mythical Obama to Hillary

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I liked some of the Schaedenfreude but I can't take 4 years of it (there won't be 8, Trump does not have the stamina).

I view it as entertainment....politicians are reality tv stars, they don't say things because they mean them, they read from scripts for effect and to cause reaction....and I don't think the media and the left can keep up the pace either...they've become a caricature....obsessed with a caricature ......predictable daily manufactured indignation that has become comical...much to Trumps pleasure and benefit

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

I view it as entertainment....politicians are reality tv stars, they don't say things because they mean them, they read from scripts for effect and to cause reaction....and I don't think the media and the left can keep up the pace either...they've become a caricature....obsessed with a caricature ......predictable daily manufactured indignation that has become comical...much to Trumps pleasure and benefit

The problem is that it quickly develops into an impediment to democracy. Just because the Progressives eff up Democracy when it suits them doesn't mean it should be allowable on the right. All must be held to a higher standard. Trump, like Slick Willy and the Bride of Frankenstein, has few standards.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I thought that Flynn likely broke the law by failing to register as a agent of a foreign country as he didn't disclose the payments he received.

My reference was to your "Or fire a special prosecuter that is investigating you." Your quote did not refer to Flynn, it obviously referred to Trump. If not, it made no sense. What crime did Trump commit that the special prosecutor is investigating?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

My reference was to your "Or fire a special prosecuter that is investigating you."

that was apparently a fake news story that Paul found on the internets...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

My reference was to your "Or fire a special prosecuter that is investigating you." Your quote did not refer to Flynn, it obviously referred to Trump. If not, it made no sense. What crime did Trump commit that the special prosecutor is investigating?

The investigation is to determine if members of Trumps TEAM coordinated with Russia. I am OK with them finding out.

If they didn't then knock it the eff off.

[PaulS]

John - I would like to say thank you to you, our dear exalted leader for spreading your blessings on us by graciously and magnanimously allowing us to serve and fulfill your agenda in having this forum.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

John - I would like to say thank you to you, our dear exalted leader for spreading your blessings on us by graciously and magnanimously allowing us to serve and fulfill your agenda in having this forum.

can't decide if that's creepy or snarky

[boot man]

Originally Posted by scottw

can't decide if that's creepy or snarky

Creepy from the original source, snarky from scottw. Just my guess.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

John - I would like to say thank you to you, our dear exalted leader for spreading your blessings on us by graciously and magnanimously allowing us to serve and fulfill your agenda in having this forum.

Errr, OK ?

My Agenda? How does this forum get me closer to serious time with Gal Gadot?

Originally Posted by scottw

can't decide if that's creepy or snarky

Snark I'm more than OK with

[PaulS]

Come on I was channeling my inner Reince.
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[Got Stripers]

I do not recall

[PaulS]

Who cares?
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[detbuch]

Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch
Since there is no crime to "investigate," firing Mueller would be a nothing-burger. But it would be great political theater. The entertainment should last for months. Hope he does it.

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Reply by JohnR
We don't know there is no crime. We have reason to believe DJT is not the focus of the investigation - at least until he stepped on his crank.

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Reply by Detbuch
If we don't know if there is a crime, why is there an investigation? Doesn't a crime actually have to be established before there is an investigation? It seems awfully strange to be investigating if a crime has been committed. That sort of process has no bounds. The "investigation" has already seemed to leave the Russian collusion by Trump behind and is morphing into obstruction of justice by Trump and can morph into something else if there is no end until SOME crime is found to have been committed by SOMEBODY.

No doubt, that is what some hope happens.