Charlottesville

[JohnR]

Both sides ARE to blame. It is not a question of moral equivalency. If you break it down the @$$hole Gooose Stepping WhiteNats had a permit under the First Ammendment to show what @$$holes they are.

Then the GooseStepping Communists (admittedly the historical counter to Nazis if you look at history) started their sheit - again.

Both Antifa and the NeoNazis are complete and utter scum. One has cover by 1A and the other has cover by 1A and the Press. Both are incompatible with liberty.

If the Nazis/WhiteNays come to do a protest I might counter protest, but not if the effing commies are going to be there.

You wanna know a good indicator of how socialism/communism sucks so bad? The East German beer tasted like #^&#^&#^&#^& compared to west German beer.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Inadvertently stumbled upon a blm rally in Charleston tonight on my way to eat the best steak I ever sank my teeth into . They were huddled around a statue of a redneck named Calhoun. One person out of the 50 or so was black🤷🏿#^&♂️. This has given a cause to liberals who simply look for a cause. People need to get something to rally around but Kaepernick found it before Trump was even elected. Yet some folks like Wayne want to pretend it started with the cheetoh.
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Yep. ^^ This.

[Sea Dangles]

The same folks who condemn The Cheato for not using strong enough language regarding the latest struggle were silent when Obama refused to single out radical Islamic terrorism. Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..
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[detbuch]

This You Tube video clarifies who the fascists really are--and some of the roots of the Charlottesville violence:

[detbuch]

Then there's this from someone who was at the protest. Note how radical, uncivilized, extreme, unreasonable, fascistic, and all-around evil and disgusting Faith Goldy is:

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Inadvertently stumbled upon a blm rally in Charleston tonight on my way to eat the best steak I ever sank my teeth into . They were huddled around a statue of a redneck named Calhoun. One person out of the 50 or so was black🤷🏿#^&♂️. This has given a cause to liberals who simply look for a cause. People need to get something to rally around but Kaepernick found it before Trump was even elected. Yet some folks like Wayne want to pretend it started with the cheetoh.
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Funny some people are more upset over Kaepernick .. And I see no support for him exercising his 1st Amendment rights .. but Nazis thats different ... the problem is you thought this was never a problem .. theses people have always been around in the shadows as I said some blame O for BLM but wont hold the Cheeto same standard ..

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The same folks who condemn The Cheato for not using strong enough language regarding the latest struggle were silent when Obama refused to single out radical Islamic terrorism. Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..
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Trump loves saying “radical Islamic terrorism.” He has a tough time with “white supremacy.”


So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

read up O has explained many time why he wouldn't use “radical Islamic terrorism.” seem's you conveniently forgot who those people were who were most upset about Him not saying that... and how it fit their agenda.. FYI : the Right

[scottw]

not that they aren't deplorable, but you don't really hear much from these skin head/supremist/nazi whatevers very often.....you do, on the other hand...frequently hear from and witness the carnage from the other groups mentioned here on a regular basis, particularly over the last dozen years....and they easily lead the league in death, mayhem and destruction during that time...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny some people are more upset over Kaepernick .. And I see no support for him exercising his 1st Amendment rights .. but Nazis thats different ... ..

the question was never whether Kaepernick could exercise his 1st Amendment right..he's free to do so...the 1st Amendment limits government's(Congress shall make no law) ability to prevent him from doing so....says nothing regarding an employer's ability to prevent him from doing so through policy, punishment or dismissal....or other "companies" from refusing to hire him because they disagree with his views...where it applies to the knuckleheads in Charleston...they have the right to free speech and to peaceably assemble...seems civil disobedience has become a trending and popular form of protest

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..

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this is a constant

[scottw]

brilliantly stated...

"The current attack on Confederate monuments is only another front in the Left’s endless kulturkampf. The Left is committed to always being on the offense in the culture wars, and, with Donald Trump and his white-resentment politics installed in the White House and Republicans lined up queasily behind him, the choice of going after Confederate totems is clever. It brings out the kooks and the cranks, and some respectable conservatives feel obliged to defend them. Getting Republicans to re-litigate the Civil War is a great victory for the Democrats, who were, after all, on the wrong side of it as a matter of historical fact."

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

so you Trump supporters, who love to post links, complete transcripts of the latest news conference and spout what has been so wrong for so long, you don't have to convince me we need change; I just don't see this guy being the answer.

This is what I love about this forum. A thread about the Charlottesville riot and arguing about Trumps inability to lead, someone says they didn't see the presidents comments. I post the Press Conference so he can see said comments....BOOM!!!! TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

Sorry I thought that the actual comments said were relevant to the conversation, and the actual timeline of events might be important as well.

Carry On....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

[buckman]

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So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

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Describe Trumps base for me please . I need a good laugh
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[scottw]

August 16, 2017

"A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park. Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants the statue gone, and he wants George Washington’s name removed from the park. The pastor also said President Andrew Jackson’s name should be removed from nearby Jackson Park, because he also was a slave owner. He said he’s not necessarily asking the city rename the parks altogether. He suggested Washington Park could be named after former Mayor Harold Washington, and Jackson Park could be named after civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson or singer Michael Jackson."


yes...let's name playgrounds after Michael Jackson

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

This is what I love about this forum. A thread about the Charlottesville riot and arguing about Trumps inability to lead, someone says they didn't see the presidents comments. I post the Press Conference so he can see said comments....BOOM!!!! TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

Sorry I thought that the actual comments said were relevant to the conversation, and the actual timeline of events might be important as well.

Carry On....

I stated someone might not have seen the interview, never asked to see it word for word. My problem with Trump isn't with what he said, it's for what he didn't say at the very beginning. You can point out people from both sides did wrong, but not taking that initial oportunity to call a spade a spade is why I think he just isn't the leader many (even his own party are scratching their heads on this one) had hoped he might evolve into.

[boot man]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

This is what I love about this forum. A thread about the Charlottesville riot and arguing about Trumps inability to lead, someone says they didn't see the presidents comments. I post the Press Conference so he can see said comments....BOOM!!!! TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

Sorry I thought that the actual comments said were relevant to the conversation, and the actual timeline of events might be important as well.

Carry On....

You didn't know you were being set up? That's why I told him to watch for himself. He was looking for someone to report their opinion so he could attack it. No one did. But you posted next. As I tell my kids, I hope you learned from that mistake. Go in peace.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The same folks who condemn The Cheato for not using strong enough language regarding the latest struggle were silent when Obama refused to single out radical Islamic terrorism. Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..
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Well that is not fair. Everyone knows Obama, the pillar of repeatable integrity, would quickly call out terrorism when it was likely/possibly Islamic Extremism at the last possible moment, just like when police officers act stupidly. But then again, it really is not fair to cherry pick examples like I just did.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny some people are more upset over Kaepernick .. And I see no support for him exercising his 1st Amendment rights .. but Nazis thats different ... the problem is you thought this was never a problem .. theses people have always been around in the shadows as I said some blame O for BLM but wont hold the Cheeto same standard ..

1A is not that and you know better. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

Kaepernick was not arrested nor detained. He has been praised by some, criticized by others, as a result of his actions. Like the Nazis, CK was exercising his 1A rights - should he be denied them? If he chooses not to be peaceful, and same for Nazis or Antifa, he should be considered a candidate for arrest and charges.

Nazis, WhiteNats, as abhorrent as they are, do have the right under the Constitution to peacefully assemble and they were doing their "redress of grievances". The same rights that BLM, World Without Police, and the Antifa Communists that ironically would impose a state that prevents freedom of speech and liberty.

When we allow politicians and groups with agendas to start picking and choosing what citizens are offered Constitutional protection and what citizens are not, we have failed.

Originally Posted by scottw

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

Some were protesting that way and some have that as part of their core belief.

[boot man]

Originally Posted by scottw

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

Well by process of elimination, it wasn't in the name of Judaism, Islam, Santeria, .....

White, European heritage is usually Christian. But nobody said they were doing in the name of all Christians, just the twisted view of these Nazis and White Supremacists. Oh and those 2 fine people that were only there to protest the potential removal of a statue.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump loves saying “radical Islamic terrorism.” He has a tough time with “white supremacy.”


So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over
read up O has explained many time why he wouldn't use “radical Islamic terrorism.” seem's you conveniently forgot who those people were who were most upset about Him not saying that... and how it fit their agenda.. FYI : the Right

Nothing personal,but you honestly have a difficult time with the comprehension skills. Communication becomes futile with folks with limited skills. Go back to your Obama altar and enjoy your alternative universe.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by boot man

You didn't know you were being set up? That's why I told him to watch for himself. He was looking for someone to report their opinion so he could attack it. No one did. But you posted next. As I tell my kids, I hope you learned from that mistake. Go in peace.
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Jim didn't say boo about it, not sure how that was a setup. Guy says he was camping, didn't see it. I showed him.

How is that a setup.

Strange rules in this twisted universe
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The fact he didn't take the opportunity to specifically and IMMEDIATELY call out those groups for what they are and in the strongest language tell them by name, we as Americans will never allow your BS to gain momentum.

A strong leader with any common sense would still be able comment on people going too far and operating outside the freedoms of free speech on both sides and STILL take a very hard line stance on what those Nazi F-heads and white supremacists are spouting. He has no moral backbone at all, he clearly showed that in his private life, nothing has changed. He can come down hard and easily label the fake media, the lying Clinton's, the nut job FBI director, emasculate his own attorney general and other appointed cabinet members; but he can't label these groups for what they are?

I'm so glad I cast my vote elsewhere and not because I thought Hilary was that much better, mainly because I see this clown for what he is. I get there is a lot of bad corruption in Washington. I get there is way too much government. I get that term limits are way out of line. I get that things are way over regulated. I get all these things, so you Trump supporters, who love to post links, complete transcripts of the latest news conference and spout what has been so wrong for so long, you don't have to convince me we need change; I just don't see this guy being the answer. In fact I think he has become part of the problem, because his inability to take the fing reigns and govern means we all loose.

Where is the leadership? Where is the ground breaking legislation? Where is the new health care he promised for all and that it would happen quickly; the same day in fact......what a naive idiot to think that coming in. Where is the Mexican financed wall? Tax reform, better lock up Twitter and get to work. You have stiffened the boarders and made us weaker in our own back yard.

I hope for us all that he somehow get's his #^&#^&#^&#^& together. I hope for us all he can grow a pair and ignore the noise and do some God damn presidential governing; but I just think this guy is a big fat looser and I'm really not confident he can thicken his skin, get off his Twitter account long enough to do some actual governing.

"A strong leader with any common sense "

He's not a strong leader and he doesn't have a lot of common sense. That's not remotely the same thing, as him being a Nazi sympathizer.

You were the one who implied he is somehow to blame for a synagogue getting vandalized. Ivanka and her husband are Jews.

Criticize him all day long for being a bully, a jerk, a baby, a narcissist., a womanizer. There is all the evidence in the world that he is all of those things. There is zero evidence he sympathizes with white supremacists, and plenty of evidence he condemns them.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by boot man

Well by process of elimination, it wasn't in the name of Judaism, Islam, Santeria, .....

White, European heritage is usually Christian. But nobody said they were doing in the name of all Christians, just the twisted view of these Nazis and White Supremacists. Oh and those 2 fine people that were only there to protest the potential removal of a statue.
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we know that Jesus was both a man of color and a Jew/the original Christian...and probably opposed slavery....so not sure how Nazis and White Supremacists can be labeled or lumped in with or as being "Christians"?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

Sure, because Jesus was obviously a white supremacist. Don't you know anything?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sure, because Jesus was obviously a white supremacist. Don't you know anything?

he did have those 12 slaves that he liked to order around

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by boot man

You didn't know you were being set up? That's why I told him to watch for himself. He was looking for someone to report their opinion so he could attack it. No one did. But you posted next. As I tell my kids, I hope you learned from that mistake. Go in peace.
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I was looking for someone to show me a clip, or a transcript, that could rationally lead one to conclude that Trump supported the Nazis. TDF posted the transcript. I saw zilch in there that could be reasonably be interpreted, as defense of bigotry. I saw the opposite. And I do not like Trump one bit. But I am fair about it.

How did I set TDF up? What did I do with what he posted? Did I use it against him? I read it, and concluded that if Trump says "I condemn bigotry and violence" 35 times, I conclude he's therefore not a Nazi sympathizer. If Trump says "I condemn bigotry", and everyone on the left hears "I like bigotry", I think that's your problem, not his problem.

[doc]

...telling that you all seem to need to still blame obama...trump is at the helm and all of you wiggling and making excuses and lowering the bar of what should be acceptable from our president is pathetic and ultimately dangerous...this is not about party, this is about being an american (not arguing about the right to demonstrate and free speech but about hate that resulted in the death of an innocent women and our president's bizarre and naive reaction to it - that is quite different than each of us parsing through nuances of how we each feel which we clearly have a right to do)...and your attempts to morally equivocate nazi's to people protesting them is disturbing and ignorant...perhaps read a bit more history as well explain to many people died fighting those f'ers...

[scottw]

you know those aren't real nazis right?....knuckle heads that like to dress up like nazis like it's halloween or something...the real nazis actually committed atrocities, a LONG time ago...check your history...these are mostly cowards and mentally defective individuals(that could be insensitive or not...hard to tell these days) looking for attention...and in some cases left wing activists dressed up to try to promote the idea through the compliant media that there is some huge nazi movement crisis in America

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by doc

...telling that you all seem to need to still blame obama...trump is at the helm and all of you wiggling and making excuses and lowering the bar of what should be acceptable from our president is pathetic and ultimately dangerous...this is not about party, this is about being an american (not arguing about the right to demonstrate and free speech but about hate that resulted in the death of an innocent women and our president's bizarre and naive reaction to it - that is quite different than each of us parsing through nuances of how we each feel which we clearly have a right to do)...and your attempts to morally equivocate nazi's to people protesting them is disturbing and ignorant...perhaps read a bit more history as well explain to many people died fighting those f'ers...

Gotta run because of work but a couple points:

• Hold ALL politicians to a higher standard regardless of party
• Historical context between administrations does matter
• I really think Trump is a fool and a tool but he has not been afforded the same level of top cover that a Dem would get - because of Bias.
• That bias and the disastrous polices of Dem Politicians are why I am no longer a Democrat but a moderate, unaffiliated, generally independent
• I will put my history knowledge as better than 90% here - which is why I equate evil Commies with Evil Nazis
• I think the US Constitution is the greatest document to protect human kind ever
• The First Amendment even protects a s s hole Nazis and Klans and white Suprems - just as it protects good people like us and just as it protects those that would undermine it like Communitst, ANTIFA, Anarchists, etc.
• If you cannot separate why that is a good thing, even if it protects the despicable showboating of the Nazis then you do not understand or give enough emphasis on the environment that allowed the original Nazis (or Commies) space to grow.
  
  We can have a further discuss later - perfect happy too.

[Slipknot]

So all this speak of Nazis and racists and slave owners of the past, are we still diligent about a terrorist attack? stupid distraction, more tearing down of a president and gives young liberals a cause to get behind. How about go to work and work hard.
this thread is a communication nightmare

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

you know those aren't real nazis right?....knuckle heads that like to dress up like nazis like it's halloween or something...the real nazis actually committed atrocities, a LONG time ago...check your history...these are mostly cowards and mentally defective individuals(that could be insensitive or not...hard to tell these days) looking for attention...and in some cases left wing activists dressed up to try to promote the idea through the compliant media that there is some huge nazi movement crisis in America

You sounded rational until you end it with a conspiracy theory ..
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