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Old 08-17-2017, 09:16 AM   #1
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...telling that you all seem to need to still blame obama...trump is at the helm and all of you wiggling and making excuses and lowering the bar of what should be acceptable from our president is pathetic and ultimately dangerous...this is not about party, this is about being an american (not arguing about the right to demonstrate and free speech but about hate that resulted in the death of an innocent women and our president's bizarre and naive reaction to it - that is quite different than each of us parsing through nuances of how we each feel which we clearly have a right to do)...and your attempts to morally equivocate nazi's to people protesting them is disturbing and ignorant...perhaps read a bit more history as well explain to many people died fighting those f'ers...
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you know those aren't real nazis right?....knuckle heads that like to dress up like nazis like it's halloween or something...the real nazis actually committed atrocities, a LONG time ago...check your history...these are mostly cowards and mentally defective individuals(that could be insensitive or not...hard to tell these days) looking for attention...and in some cases left wing activists dressed up to try to promote the idea through the compliant media that there is some huge nazi movement crisis in America
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you know those aren't real nazis right?....knuckle heads that like to dress up like nazis like it's halloween or something...the real nazis actually committed atrocities, a LONG time ago...check your history...these are mostly cowards and mentally defective individuals(that could be insensitive or not...hard to tell these days) looking for attention...and in some cases left wing activists dressed up to try to promote the idea through the compliant media that there is some huge nazi movement crisis in America
You sounded rational until you end it with a conspiracy theory ..
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...telling that you all seem to need to still blame obama...trump is at the helm and all of you wiggling and making excuses and lowering the bar of what should be acceptable from our president is pathetic and ultimately dangerous...this is not about party, this is about being an american (not arguing about the right to demonstrate and free speech but about hate that resulted in the death of an innocent women and our president's bizarre and naive reaction to it - that is quite different than each of us parsing through nuances of how we each feel which we clearly have a right to do)...and your attempts to morally equivocate nazi's to people protesting them is disturbing and ignorant...perhaps read a bit more history as well explain to many people died fighting those f'ers...
Gotta run because of work but a couple points:

  • Hold ALL politicians to a higher standard regardless of party
  • Historical context between administrations does matter
  • I really think Trump is a fool and a tool but he has not been afforded the same level of top cover that a Dem would get - because of Bias.
  • That bias and the disastrous polices of Dem Politicians are why I am no longer a Democrat but a moderate, unaffiliated, generally independent
  • I will put my history knowledge as better than 90% here - which is why I equate evil Commies with Evil Nazis
  • I think the US Constitution is the greatest document to protect human kind ever
  • The First Amendment even protects a s s hole Nazis and Klans and white Suprems - just as it protects good people like us and just as it protects those that would undermine it like Communitst, ANTIFA, Anarchists, etc.
  • If you cannot separate why that is a good thing, even if it protects the despicable showboating of the Nazis then you do not understand or give enough emphasis on the environment that allowed the original Nazis (or Commies) space to grow.

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So all this speak of Nazis and racists and slave owners of the past, are we still diligent about a terrorist attack? stupid distraction, more tearing down of a president and gives young liberals a cause to get behind. How about go to work and work hard.
this thread is a communication nightmare

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So all this speak of Nazis and racists and slave owners of the past, are we still diligent about a terrorist attack? stupid distraction, more tearing down of a president and gives young liberals a cause to get behind. How about go to work and work hard.
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No one had an issue trying to tear down the last president for 8 years Why is this unacceptable now?
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And I am adjusting my history knowledge down from 90% to better than 80% here on further reflection ; ) .


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I dont disagree with most of what you have said. However, how Trump has handled what happened in Charlottesville was careless and offensive and ultimately I fear dangerous. There should not be much disagreement about that.
I agree - like many things he has handled it poorly. He could screw up a sunny fall afternoon.

BUT I do think that it is unfair and unwise to say a there is no moral equivalent between the utlra right and their spew with the utlra left and theirs. Because Nazis.

That is a very simplistic and reactionary response that does not delve into WHY it is wrong and WHY other movements are also wrong. But is the response many make in their sky-is-falling kabuki theater rants.

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Good couple of posts and Boss as always, you are the voice of reason.
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Because Nazis.
I suspect the real nazis would be pretty depressed seeing their movement now represented by a bunch of toothless goobers playing dress up on occasion...

do we know who is in charge?
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No One......really??? NO ONE????

its just the other side of the same coin.

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No One......really??? NO ONE????

its just the other side of the same coin.
Nope, no one. No one at MSNBC did anything to give Obama a fair shake. They all hated him. That's the way I remember it.,
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Trump calls removal of Confederate monuments 'so foolish'

Trump: Removing statues rips apart US culture



I would like to see data on when theses Monuments were erected and what was said during the ceremony.. for example its not history if it was put in place in 1950 and the war ended in 1865..
if they were erected 30 years after the war then they historical ... not sure how that works?
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"No one" is quite an exaggeration but you are entitled to your opinion. I personally had a problem with the disrespect of the last president and it is uncalled for now no matter how much of a horrible person you think he is.

I did not say it's unacceptable now suddenly.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there should be a certain amount of respect.

Maybe he can get some negotiations done while battling everyone including media bashing 24/7, who knows, time will tell. I see his counterpunch got the mental guy in NK to back off the launch button at least.

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Old 08-17-2017, 10:31 AM   #16
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Gotta run because of work but a couple points:

  • Hold ALL politicians to a higher standard regardless of party
  • Historical context between administrations does matter
  • I really think Trump is a fool and a tool but he has not been afforded the same level of top cover that a Dem would get - because of Bias.
  • That bias and the disastrous polices of Dem Politicians are why I am no longer a Democrat but a moderate, unaffiliated, generally independent
  • I will put my history knowledge as better than 90% here - which is why I equate evil Commies with Evil Nazis
  • I think the US Constitution is the greatest document to protect human kind ever
  • The First Amendment even protects a s s hole Nazis and Klans and white Suprems - just as it protects good people like us and just as it protects those that would undermine it like Communitst, ANTIFA, Anarchists, etc.
  • If you cannot separate why that is a good thing, even if it protects the despicable showboating of the Nazis then you do not understand or give enough emphasis on the environment that allowed the original Nazis (or Commies) space to grow.

    We can have a further discuss later - perfect happy too.
I dont disagree with most of what you have said. However, how Trump has handled what happened in Charlottesville was careless and offensive and ultimately I fear dangerous. There should not be much disagreement about that.
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