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01-06-2018, 05:10 PM
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I'm going to give him props for keeping me safe when I'm flying.
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The stable genius
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01-09-2018, 03:58 PM
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01-10-2018, 04:11 AM
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his dog and pony show yesterday was genius....
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01-10-2018, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Steele says it's 70-90% accurate.
Fusion GPS leadership claim they ripped the conspiracy theories to shreds.
This obstruction of justice case seems to have engulfed most of the GOP.
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01-10-2018, 04:20 AM
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"When you look at it hard, two conclusions are impossible to escape: First, at the height of the 2016 campaign, Obama intelligence officials anxiously adopted Christopher Steele’s allegations of traitorous conduct by then-candidate Donald Trump rather than first subject his “dossier” to rigorous investigation — even though Steele himself admits that his “raw,” “unverified” reports might not be true. Second, at the same time the FBI was receiving Steele’s reports — which were based on multiple-hearsay from anonymous Russian sources, and paid for by the Clinton campaign — Obama intelligence officials were briefing congressional leaders about them, thereby ensuring that they’d be publicized just six weeks before Election Day."
....you know...it's a shame clinton and obama & co went to such lengths and still lost.... ....
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01-10-2018, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
"When you look at it hard, two conclusions are impossible to escape: First, at the height of the 2016 campaign, Obama intelligence officials anxiously adopted Christopher Steele’s allegations of traitorous conduct by then-candidate Donald Trump rather than first subject his “dossier” to rigorous investigation — even though Steele himself admits that his “raw,” “unverified” reports might not be true. Second, at the same time the FBI was receiving Steele’s reports — which were based on multiple-hearsay from anonymous Russian sources, and paid for by the Clinton campaign — Obama intelligence officials were briefing congressional leaders about them, thereby ensuring that they’d be publicized just six weeks before Election Day."
....you know...it's a shame clinton and obama & co went to such lengths and still lost.... ....
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The Steele dossier - which became public in January 2017 - was drawn together after an investigation funded by Republicans trying to block Mr Trump from becoming the party's presidential candidate. then once he was nominated the republicans walked away and the dem's step in Facts all the facts
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01-10-2018, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
The Steele dossier - which became public in January 2017 - was drawn together after an investigation funded by Republicans trying to block Mr Trump from becoming the party's presidential candidate. then once he was nominated the republicans walked away and the dem's step in Facts all the facts
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The Republicans who wanted to block Trump from becoming the Party's candidate are just as capable of dirty tricks as the Democrats are. They and the Democrats were both anti-Trump. Once he won the nomination, the dirty trick Republicans had to step aside and let the dirty trick Democrats take over.
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01-10-2018, 09:37 AM
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Ooooo the “dirty trick Democrats” you might as well say “crooked hillary” or “crazy Bernie”
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01-10-2018, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
The Steele dossier - which became public in January 2017 - was drawn together after an investigation funded by Republicans trying to block Mr Trump from becoming the party's presidential candidate. then once he was nominated the republicans walked away and the dem's step in Facts all the facts
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if it's a fact...which republicans?
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01-10-2018, 02:16 PM
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01-10-2018, 02:27 PM
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October 27, 2017 7:02 pm
Since its launch in February of 2012, the Washington Free Beacon has retained third party firms to conduct research on many individuals and institutions of interest to us and our readers. In that capacity, during the 2016 election cycle we retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple candidates in the Republican presidential primary, just as we retained other firms to assist in our research into Hillary Clinton. All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele. Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee, Perkins Coie, and the Clinton campaign.
Representatives of the Free Beacon approached the House Intelligence Committee today and offered to answer what questions we can in their ongoing probe of Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier. But to be clear: We stand by our reporting, and we do not apologize for our methods. We consider it our duty to report verifiable information, not falsehoods or slander, and we believe that commitment has been well demonstrated by the quality of the journalism that we produce. The First Amendment guarantees our right to engage in news-gathering as we see fit, and we intend to continue doing just that as we have since the day we launched this project.
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got any other "republicans"?
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01-10-2018, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
if it's a fact...which republicans?
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ask them
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42586855
or ask Trump he claimed he knew who the republican was
this is what an authoritarian leader looks like
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-...-us-libel-laws
He made the comments on the day that his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, filed a defamation lawsuit against Fusion GPS and Buzzfeed in relation to a disputed dossier on alleged ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.
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01-10-2018, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
got any other "republicans"?
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Don't need any other Rebulicans. They hired Fusion GPS and stopped the funding before the Steele doc. bc Trump was going to win the Rep. nomination. Then the Dems. paid for the continued research which included the Steele doc.
Who paid for it is irrelevant. What was in it is the important thing and whether it can be proven. Trump is not going to be found guilty of anything based on a doc.
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01-10-2018, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
ask them
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42586855
It seems BBC doesn't know either. Nor does it seem that they have been able to verify any allegations of collusion in the Dossier.
or ask Trump he claimed he knew who the republican was
But Trump is a liar.
this is what an authoritarian leader looks like
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-...-us-libel-laws
He made the comments on the day that his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, filed a defamation lawsuit against Fusion GPS and Buzzfeed in relation to a disputed dossier on alleged ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.
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Sounds like a typical politician calling for a study or an investigation.
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01-11-2018, 05:32 AM
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this is amusing isn't it?
the "republicans" = Washington Free Beacon
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"Facts all the facts" = "ask them"
good grief....
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01-11-2018, 07:48 AM
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this is amusing isn't it?
the "republicans" = Washington Free Beacon
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"Facts all the facts" = "ask them"
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It is a conservative website hired by Rubio. Do you think they don't vote Repub?
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01-11-2018, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
It is a conservative website hired by Rubio. Do you think they don't vote Repub?
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a. how would you know how "they" vote? how does BBC vote?
b. I guess by that standard we can consider the mainstream media "democrat"?
Trump has really sent you guys over the deep end
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01-11-2018, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
a. how would you know how "they" vote? how does BBC vote?
b. I guess by that standard we can consider the mainstream media "democrat"? Their own website says "conservative".
Trump has really sent you guys over the deep end
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I think the only people who have gone off the deep end are trying to make a case that bc GPS was paid for by the Dems, the doc. isn't credible.
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01-11-2018, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I think the only people who have gone off the deep end are trying to make a case that bc GPS was paid for by the Dems, the doc. isn't credible.
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I don't think anyone said it's not credible "because the dems paid for it"...it's credibility has come under question for other reasons mentioned below...the fact that the dems paid for it and worked in conjunction with the highly politicized obama justice department and FBI to undermine the American election process is what is truly troubling...
if you replace "republicans" with "democrats"...you guys would be screaming FASCISM!!!
again, since you guys can't seem to process ...
"Obama intelligence officials anxiously adopted Christopher Steele’s allegations of traitorous conduct by then-candidate Donald Trump rather than first subject his “dossier” to rigorous investigation — even though Steele himself admits that his “ raw,” “ unverified” reports might not be true. Second, at the same time the FBI was receiving Steele’s reports — which were based on multiple-hearsay from anonymous Russian sources, and paid for by the Clinton campaign — Obama intelligence officials were briefing congressional leaders about them, thereby ensuring that they’d be publicized just six weeks before Election Day."
"none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele."
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01-11-2018, 09:06 AM
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b. I guess by that standard we can consider the mainstream media "democrat"?Their own website says "conservative".
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are there no conservative democrats left?
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01-11-2018, 09:28 AM
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I think the biggest problem is that people confuse an intelligence dossier with facts.
An intelligence dossier is the reason you investigate further. The special prosecutor is investigating and we will see what he finds.
My opinion is that Trump has always pushed the legal envelope in business and I don't think he sees politics any differently.
Few of us are not guilty of that in some way.
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01-11-2018, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I think the biggest problem is that people confuse an intelligence dossier with facts.
An intelligence dossier is the reason you investigate further.
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to be clear...this is not an American or British Intelligence dossier...this is a PRIVATE dossier...written by a former intelligence officer contracted by Clinton and the DNC as part of a dirt digging mission...of which.."Parts of the dossier have been confirmed, while others have yet to be proved or disproved,[8][9] including, as 2017 drew to a close, the dossier's allegations of collusion.[10][11] The media, intelligence community, as well as most experts have therefore treated the dossier with caution"
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After Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign. Fusion GPS later contracted Steele to compile the dossier.[13] Following Trump's election as president, Steele continued working on the report, with funding from Democrats ceasing and financing finally coming directly from Glenn R. Simpson of Fusion GPS.
...and of course we know that the Clinton campaign and the Obama justice dept used this to try to sway an election that they were fully confident of winning.....
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01-11-2018, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
to be clear...this is not an American or British Intelligence dossier...this is a PRIVATE dossier...written by a former intelligence officer contracted by Clinton and the DNC...of which.."Parts of the dossier have been confirmed, while others have yet to be proved or disproved,[8][9] including, as 2017 drew to a close, the dossier's allegations of collusion.[10][11] The media, intelligence community, as well as most experts have therefore treated the dossier with caution"
from wiki
After Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign. Fusion GPS later contracted Steele to compile the dossier.[13] Following Trump's election as president, Steele continued working on the report, with funding from Democrats ceasing and financing finally coming directly from Glenn R. Simpson of Fusion GPS.
...and of course we know that the Clinton campaign and the Obama justice dept used this to try to sway an election that they were fully confident of winning.....
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You should read the Simpson testimony released this week. It's credible and very damning.
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01-11-2018, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I think the biggest problem is that people confuse an intelligence dossier with facts. exactly
An intelligence dossier is the reason you investigate further. The special prosecutor is investigating and we will see what he finds.
My opinion is that Trump has always pushed the legal envelope in business and I don't think he sees politics any differently.
Few of us are not guilty of that in some way.
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That is exactly correct. Word is that what was in the doc. confirmed what the FBI had already heard -maybe from their source in the Trump admin. if those reports are true.
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01-11-2018, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
to be clear...this is not an American or British Intelligence dossier...this is a PRIVATE dossier...written by a former intelligence officer contracted by Clinton and the DNC as part of a dirt digging mission...of which.."Parts of the dossier have been confirmed, while others have yet to be proved or disproved,[8][9] including, as 2017 drew to a close, the dossier's allegations of collusion.[10][11] The media, intelligence community, as well as most experts have therefore treated the dossier with caution"
from wiki
After Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign. Fusion GPS later contracted Steele to compile the dossier.[13] Following Trump's election as president, Steele continued working on the report, with funding from Democrats ceasing and financing finally coming directly from Glenn R. Simpson of Fusion GPS.
...and of course we know that the Clinton campaign and the Obama justice dept used this to try to sway an election that they were fully confident of winning.....
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Most people know it was not created by the US or British intelligence service but rather by the former head of the Russian desk of MI6 (I believe).
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01-11-2018, 10:08 AM
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"none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier.[COLOR="Red"
No one here claimed that. WDMSO said in post 66 "The Steele dossier - which became public in January 2017 - was drawn together after an investigation funded by Republicans trying to block Mr Trump from becoming the party's presidential candidate."[/COLOR] The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele."
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You seem to be stuck on the point that the free beacon was no longer paying for GPS' work at this point. Again, who paid for it makes no difference.
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01-11-2018, 10:12 AM
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You seem to be stuck on the point that the free beacon was no longer paying for GPS' work at this point.
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I don't think I've mentioned Free Beacon as an issue...read what you copied..Free Beacon says they're not connected to Steele or the dossier ...they're not relevant to the story as far as i'm concerned...you brought them into the conversation
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01-11-2018, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Word is that what was in the doc. confirmed what the FBI had already heard -maybe from their source in the Trump admin. if those reports are true.
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yeah..."word"
you sound like Spence now
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01-11-2018, 10:25 AM
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I don't think I've mentioned Free Beacon as an issue...read what you copied..Free Beacon says they're not connected to Steele or the dossier ...they're not relevant to the story as far as i'm concerned...you brought them into the conversation
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So what is bothering you then that caused you to make 12 posts on this page? Is it that wdmso said "republicans"?
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01-11-2018, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Most people know it was not created by the US or British intelligence service but rather by the former head of the Russian desk of MI6 (I believe).
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I believe a part of it was corroborated by an inside source.
Steele wasn't just a Russian expert, according to the testimony he was hired party leaders because his expertise was spotting russian propaganda.
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