Pay and Pension in the White House

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Freaking GOP holds both houses of Congress and the Presidency and can't even fund the government. Big problem here is POTUS doesn't understand his own position and hence nobody can negotiate.

It required 60 votes in the senate. The GOP doesn't have 60 seats in the senate. The GOP can't force 9 democrats to vote for the funding if they don't want to.

Part of this, at least a part, is whether or not it's acceptable for the minority party to demand that an un-related issue (like, oh, say DACA) be inserted into a bill required to pass to keep the government operating.

When the GOP was in the minority and they threatened to do the same thing, Schumer et al had some harsh criticism for them. We have seen those videos. How is this any different form that?

They all stink, both parties, and we need non-ideologues who can actually solve problems.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It required 60 votes in the senate. The GOP doesn't have 60 seats in the senate. The GOP can't force 9 democrats to vote for the funding if they don't want to.

Part of this, at least a part, is whether or not it's acceptable for the minority party to demand that an un-related issue (like, oh, say DACA) be inserted into a bill required to pass to keep the government operating.

When the GOP was in the minority and they threatened to do the same thing, Schumer et al had some harsh criticism for them. We have seen those videos. How is this any different form that?

They all stink, both parties, and we need non-ideologues who can actually solve problems.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It required 60 votes in the senate. The GOP doesn't have 60 seats in the senate. The GOP can't force 9 democrats to vote for the funding if they don't want to.

Part of this, at least a part, is whether or not it's acceptable for the minority party to demand that an un-related issue (like, oh, say DACA) be inserted into a bill required to pass to keep the government operating.

When the GOP was in the minority and they threatened to do the same thing, Schumer et al had some harsh criticism for them. We have seen those videos. How is this any different form that?

They all stink, both parties, and we need non-ideologues who can actually solve problems.

The GOP couldn't even get all the Republicans on board. The issue here isn't the Dems or even DACA which most everyone (including Trump before his aids suggested it was a bad idea) supports...the issue is the disconnect between the Senate Republicans and the Whitehouse.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The GOP couldn't even get all the Republicans on board. The issue here isn't the Dems or even DACA which most everyone supports...the issue is the disconnect between the Senate Republicans and the Whitehouse.

"The GOP couldn't even get all the Republicans on board"

True. It's also true that if they had all the Republican senators, that would have had exactly zero effect on the outcome. True or false?

I like that there are moderate Republicans. Sometimes they do things I like, sometimes they don't.

"The issue here isn't the Dems or even DACA "

Then your issue isn't the shutdown. Because the Dems caused the shutdown by demanding that DACA be part of it. DACA has nothing to do with operational funding.

"even DACA which most everyone supports"

If that's true, then we have a responsibility to let our elected officials know that. That has nothing to do with the operational budget. The ems inserted it in there thinking it would put pressure on the GOP to pass it. It didn't work.

"the issue is the disconnect between the Senate Republicans and the Whitehouse"

No, it's not. Because even if all the Republican senators were in agreement, we'd be in the same exact situation. They don't have 60 seats.

They should let the dems have their way with DACA, and th eprice is the dems agree to the wall. Hell, the tax windfall we're getting from Apple alone will fund the wall.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The GOP couldn't even get all the Republicans on board"

True. It's also true that if they had all the Republican senators, that would have had exactly zero effect on the outcome. True or false?

I like that there are moderate Republicans. Sometimes they do things I like, sometimes they don't.

"The issue here isn't the Dems or even DACA "

Then your issue isn't the shutdown. Because the Dems caused the shutdown by demanding that DACA be part of it. DACA has nothing to do with operational funding.

"even DACA which most everyone supports"

If that's true, then we have a responsibility to let our elected officials know that. That has nothing to do with the operational budget. The ems inserted it in there thinking it would put pressure on the GOP to pass it. It didn't work.

"the issue is the disconnect between the Senate Republicans and the Whitehouse"

No, it's not. Because even if all the Republican senators were in agreement, we'd be in the same exact situation. They don't have 60 seats.

They should let the dems have their way with DACA, and th eprice is the dems agree to the wall. Hell, the tax windfall we're getting from Apple alone will fund the wall.

its called governance (The action or manner of governing)the GOP has not idea on how to Govern. The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! now they are the party of we dont know how... ..

[JohnR]

3 R senators didn't vote for it and 2 D senators did, IIRC.

I would actually be impressed if they could pass a real budget that is not a Continuing Resolution.

Originally Posted by wdmso

its called governance (The action or manner of governing)the GOP has not idea on how to Govern. The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! now they are the party of we dont know how... ..

Sure - all Republican's fault. Always the Republicans. Only the Republicans.

It is both parties

[Raider Ronnie]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1135700]3 R senators didn't vote for it and 2 D senators did,



Those 2 D are up for re-election
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[scottw]

2:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he is pleased that congressional Democrats "have come to their senses"


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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

2:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he is pleased that congressional Democrats "have come to their senses"


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Is that what he believes or what Stephan Miller told him to say?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

its called governance (The action or manner of governing)the GOP has not idea on how to Govern. The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! now they are the party of we dont know how... ..

"The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! "

Then using that logic, isn't that what the Democrats are now?

"the GOP has not idea on how to Govern"

It would appear that the public disagrees with you. The GOP controls the White House, both chambers of Congress, and a HUGE majority of state legislatures and governorships. How do you explain that?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! "

Then using that logic, isn't that what the Democrats are now?

"the GOP has not idea on how to Govern"

It would appear that the public disagrees with you. The GOP controls the White House, both chambers of Congress, and a HUGE majority of state legislatures and governorships. How do you explain that?

People are dumb

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

People are dumb

The people who want a high quality of life, but who don't want to overpay for it...they are dumb? Well, they are winning. Here in CT, we are losing productive citizens to places that are a better value - similar quality of life, far lower cost.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Here in CT, we are losing productive citizens to places that are a better value - similar quality of life, far lower cost.

Like where?