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02-22-2018, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Its actually that you hear what you want to hear.
This is what Trump actually said, which kind of echos what he said he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c7af90f414fb
" A gun-free zone to a maniac — because they’re all cowards — a gun-free zone is, let’s go in and let’s attack, because bullets aren’t coming back at us.."
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Two problems:
1. It wasn't a gun free zone. Guns didn't prevent Vegas, Douglas high, Fort Hood, Columbine...
2. Most of these crazed people are looking for a final shoot out, so the idea of "let's attack, because bullets aren't coming back" doesn't hold up.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-22-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Two problems:
1. It wasn't a gun free zone. Guns didn't prevent Vegas, Douglas high, Fort Hood, Columbine...
2. Most of these crazed people are looking for a final shoot out, so the idea of "let's attack, because bullets aren't coming back" doesn't hold up.
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although not technically a gun free zone, only one allowed to carry was the security guard(s). How many did they have on campus vs how many buildings.
Vegas is not a school, lets stay on topic. that's a different argument.
Fort Hood is actually a Gun Free zone, not allowed to carry unless on security detail/duty. Most military bases are, that is why he killed so many UNARMED SOLDIERS
Columbine was a Gun Free zone.
and my post wasn't in response to arming teachers, it was in response to clarifying what Trump said in regards to arming teachers.
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02-22-2018, 04:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
although not technically a gun free zone, only one allowed to carry was the security guard(s). How many did they have on campus vs how many buildings.
Vegas is not a school, lets stay on topic. that's a different argument.
Fort Hood is actually a Gun Free zone, not allowed to carry unless on security detail/duty. Most military bases are, that is why he killed so many UNARMED SOLDIERS
Columbine was a Gun Free zone.
and my post wasn't in response to arming teachers, it was in response to clarifying what Trump said in regards to arming teachers.
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I was responding to Trump's quote. Wouldn't have mattered if you out someone else posted it. I should have just quoted Trump.
Columbine had two armed guards.
No need to tell me what the topic is. Thanks. Whether you think mass shootings outside of schools are relevant to Trumps idea about soft targets is your opinion.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-22-2018, 05:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmy
Two problems:
1. It wasn't a gun free zone. Guns didn't prevent Vegas, Douglas high, Fort Hood, Columbine...
2. Most of these crazed people are looking for a final shoot out, so the idea of "let's attack, because bullets aren't coming back" doesn't hold up.
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Were the shooters looking for or expecting bullets to come back? The Las Vegas shooter was in an upper story room of a building away from the festival. The festival itself was a gun free or weapons of any kind free zone (the shooter in the attack on the republican base ball game also was also operating outside of the kill area and was stopped by guards on the field using handguns.) Fort Hood massacre--the victims were not allowed to be armed on base. The armed guards at Douglas High and Columbine failed. Better security was required, lesson learned.
What is the evidence that gun free zones hold up? Aren't the vast majority of gun homicides a result of an armed person killing an unarmed person or persons rather than being a shoot out?
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02-22-2018, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Were the shooters looking for or expecting bullets to come back? The Las Vegas shooter was in an upper story room of a building away from the festival. The festival itself was a gun free or weapons of any kind free zone (the shooter in the attack on the republican base ball game also was also operating outside of the kill area and was stopped by guards on the field using handguns.) Fort Hood massacre--the victims were not allowed to be armed on base. The armed guards at Douglas High and Columbine failed. Better security was required, lesson learned.
What is the evidence that gun free zones hold up? Aren't the vast majority of gun homicides a result of an armed person killing an unarmed person or persons rather than being a shoot out?
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There were tons of armed police in Vegas. Arming every person at the Vegas concert wouldn't have prevented the massacre.
There were armed guards at multiple sites with school shootings and the armed guards didn't prevent the event, prevent death or limit the death.
So now we went from guards to multiple armed teachers.
Were the shooters looking for returned bullets? We can only go based on social media posts and post crime analyses It is often the case that the analysis indicates that the perpetrators plan to go down in a shootout with police. Would a shootout with teachers change that? I don't think we know.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-22-2018, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Were the shooters looking for returned bullets? We can only go based on social media posts and post crime analyses It is often the case that the analysis indicates that the perpetrators plan to go down in a shootout with police.
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The last shooting the kid dropped the gun and blended in with the students to escape.
Not exactly what I call a blaze of glory
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