I did not vote for Trump - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JohnR · 02-26-2018, 08:04 AM

And I sure as hell did not vote for Hillary. I wrote someone in.

Some of the things Trump has done I have been in favor of, some of the things not, and a fan of several people he has staffed around him; Mattis, McMasters, Haley (that are FAR better than their predecessors) .

But if the Dems and Media keep their everyone is going to die bias up, Trump is going to win 2020 too.

spence · 02-26-2018, 08:19 AM

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But if the Dems and Media keep their everyone is going to die bias up, Trump is going to win 2020 too.

Watching some of the CPAC highlights this weekend -- and even of the media was cherry picking the most salacious stuff -- it's clear the GOP of even a decade ago has been cleansed. The base is shrinking...

Trump will likely lose bligly in 2020 because he won't be running against Clinton.

Nebe · 02-26-2018, 08:42 AM

Pence is giggling in th corner and wringing his hands with glee
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scottw · 02-26-2018, 08:42 AM

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Trump will likely lose bligly in 2020 because he won't be running against Clinton.

I love your predictions ...

PaulS · 02-26-2018, 08:52 AM

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Watching some of the CPAC highlights this weekend -- and even of the media was cherry picking the most salacious stuff -- it's clear the GOP of even a decade ago has been cleansed. The base is shrinking...

Trump will likely lose bligly in 2020 because he won't be running against Clinton.

CPAC

I’m Glad I Got Booed at CPAC

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/25/o...d-at-cpac.html

I’ve been a conservative my entire life. I fell hard for William F. Buckley as a teenager and my first job was as editorial assistant at Buckley’s National Review, followed by stints writing speeches for first lady Nancy Reagan and then working for the Gipper himself. Looking toward the 1988 race, Vice President George H.W. Bush wasn’t conservative enough for me. I went to work as a speechwriter for Representative Jack Kemp in 1986.
So you’d think that the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, would be a natural fit. It once was. But on Saturday, after speaking to this year’s gathering, I had to be escorted from the premises by several guards who seemed genuinely concerned for my safety.
What happened to me at CPAC is the perfect illustration of the collective experience of a whole swath of conservatives since Donald Trump became the Republican nominee. We built and organized this party — but now we’re made to feel like interlopers.
I was surprised that I was even asked to speak at CPAC. My views on Trump, Roy Moore and Steve Bannon are no secret. I knew the crowd would be hostile, and so I was tempted to pass.
But too many of us have given up the fight. We’ve let disgust and dismay lead us to withdraw while bad actors take control of the direction of our movement. I know how encouraged I feel whenever someone simply states the truth, and so I decided to accept CPAC’s invitation.
Like the Republican Party, CPAC has become heavily Trumpified. Last year, they invited alt-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos (and withdrew the invitation only after lewd tapes surfaced). This year, in addition to the president and vice president, CPAC invited Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, granddaughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen and niece of National Front leader Marine Le Pen.
Matt Schlapp, CPAC’s chairman, described her as a “classical liberal” on Twitter. This is utter nonsense. Ms. Maréchal-Le Pen is a member of the National Front party, and far from distancing herself from her Holocaust-denying, anti-Semitic and racist grandfather, she has offered him a more full-throated endorsement than her aunt has. “I am the political heir of Jean-Marie Le Pen,” Maréchal-Le Pen told the Washington Post last year. “He was a visionary. He was right about a lot of things.”
So it has come to this: a conservative group whose worst fault in years past may have been excessive flat tax enthusiasm now opens its doors to the blood and soil nationalists of Europe.
While there were reasonable, mainstream Republican speakers at CPAC, the lineup also featured demagogues like Sheriff David Clarke Jr. While he oversaw the Milwaukee County jail, one pregnant prisoner was repeatedly raped, and several prisoners died in the space of just six months. One was a mentally ill man who was denied water for seven days. No matter. The sheriff was cheered by the CPAC crowd.
My panel was about the #MeToo movement, which was a natural for me since my new book coming out in June, “Sex Matters,” grapples with the movement and other aspects of our fraught sexual ecosystem.
After every woman on the panel had a chance to speak and with 10 minutes remaining on the clock, the moderator threw a slow pitch right over the plate. She asked us about feminist hypocrisy. Ask me that at a cocktail party and I will talk your ear off about how the very people who had lectured us about the utter venality of workplace sexual harassment throughout the 1980s became suddenly quiescent when the malefactor was Bill Clinton.
But this time, and particularly in front of this crowd, it felt far more urgent to point out the hypocrisy of our side. How can conservative women hope to have any credibility on the subject of sexual harassment or relations between the sexes when they excuse the behavior of President Trump? And how can we participate in any conversation about sexual ethics when the Republican president and the Republican Party backed the sexes when they excuse the behavior of President Trump? And how can we participate in any conversation about sexual ethics when the Republican president and the Republican Party backed a man credibly accused of child molestation for the United States Senate?
I watched my fellow panelists’ eyes widen. And then the booing began.
I’d been dreading it for days, but when it came, I almost welcomed it. There is nothing more freeing than telling the truth. And it must be done, again and again, by those of us who refuse to be absorbed into this brainless, sinister, clownish thing called Trumpism, by those of us who refuse to overlook the fools, frauds and fascists attempting to glide along in his slipstream into respectability.
I spoke to a hostile audience for the sake of every person who has watched this spectacle of mendacity in disbelief and misery for the past two years. Just hearing the words you know are true can serve as ballast, steadying your mind when so much seems unreal.
For traditional conservatives, the past two years have felt like a Twilight Zone episode. Politicians, activists and intellectuals have succumbed with numbing regularity, betraying every principle they once claimed to uphold. But there remains a vigorous remnant of dissenters. I hear from them. There were even some at CPAC.
A substantial number of people applauded. And as I was hustled out of the building by security, various supporters gave me the thumbs up sign.
Just before I reached the exit, a woman approached me and called my name. “That was so brave!” she told me.
She was one of my fellow panelists. I hope she’s encouraged. I am.

The Dad Fisherman · 02-26-2018, 09:03 AM

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And I sure as hell did not vote for Hillary. I wrote someone in.

Some of the things Trump has done I have been in favor of, some of the things not, and a fan of several people he has staffed around him; Mattis, McMasters, Haley (that are FAR better than their predecessors) .

But if the Dems and Media keep their everyone is going to die bias up, Trump is going to win 2020 too.

This
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Jim in CT · 02-26-2018, 10:10 AM

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But if the Dems and Media keep their everyone is going to die bias up, Trump is going to win 2020 too.

If the economy is still roaring and the media is so dishonest, you may be right.

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Watching some of the CPAC highlights this weekend -- and even of the media was cherry picking the most salacious stuff -- it's clear the GOP of even a decade ago has been cleansed. The base is shrinking...

Trump will likely lose bligly in 2020 because he won't be running against Clinton.

CPAC isn't the entire GOP, it's the hard-core right wing of the party. Just as not all Democrats agree with moveon,org or the Daily Kos, not all Republicans are as hard-line as what you see at CPAC.

Who will Trump be running against? Someone with broad populist appeal, like Liz Warren, Corey Booker, Bernie Sanders, or Senator Gillibrand?

CPAC isn't my cup of tea. But the left-wing equivalent looks like the 'Cantina Scene' from the original Star Wars movie.

zimmy · 02-26-2018, 01:04 PM

He will likely be in dire legal straights by then.
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Jim in CT · 02-26-2018, 01:20 PM

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He will likely be in dire legal straights by then.
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If he deserves to be there, that's exactly where I hope he is.

But not many predictions regarding Trump have come true. Even I was saying he was going to get creamed in the general election.

I don't like him. But I do enjoy watching the left blow a gasket every time he does anything. The people who run the left, still have absolutely no idea why he won. They have zero understanding of why he struck a nerve with people.

zimmy · 02-26-2018, 01:39 PM

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Even I was saying he was going to get creamed in the general election.

Then you weren't paying attention. The Simpsons had already shown us that he would be president. Doubt the Simpsons at your own risk. Though if Lisa follows him as president I will be shocked.

Jim in CT · 02-26-2018, 01:49 PM

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Then you weren't paying attention. The Simpsons had already shown us that he would be president. Doubt the Simpsons at your own risk. Though if Lisa follows him as president I will be shocked.

True! The Simpson's also predicted we'd win a gold medal at curling, I need to watch that show to see if they have any stock tips.

detbuch · 02-26-2018, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1138255]CPAC

I’m Glad I Got Booed at CPAC

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/25/o...d-at-cpac.html

But Mona Charen is a "Conservative," so we know her opinions are suspect. And she has said that gun control won't work, so she must be a liar.

Got Stripers · 02-26-2018, 06:17 PM

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And I sure as hell did not vote for Hillary. I wrote someone in.

Some of the things Trump has done I have been in favor of, some of the things not, and a fan of several people he has staffed around him; Mattis, McMasters, Haley (that are FAR better than their predecessors) .

But if the Dems and Media keep their everyone is going to die bias up, Trump is going to win 2020 too.

Moving to Costa Rico then.

zimmy · 02-26-2018, 06:35 PM

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But if the Dems and Media keep their everyone is going to die bias up, Trump is going to win 2020 too.

Especially if the ruskis can convince a substantial portion of the population that his opponent is running a child sex ring out of a pizza shop basement.
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Sea Dangles · 02-26-2018, 06:45 PM

I love the irony of defending a cheater who couldn't win while Obama did nothing about the Russian meddling.
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TheSpecialist · 03-02-2018, 05:06 PM

This ^^^^^^^^^

spence · 03-02-2018, 05:42 PM

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while Obama did nothing about the Russian meddling.
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I can't say I enjoy this but positions of ignorance do on occasion make me smirk a little bit.

Raider Ronnie · 03-02-2018, 06:44 PM

The only thing that is going to stop Trump from a 2nd term will be a bullet to the head shot by an anti gun liberal nut job politician or one of their supporters.
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spence · 03-02-2018, 06:49 PM

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The only thing that is going to stop Trump from a 2nd term will be a bullet to the head shot by an anti gun liberal nut job politician or one of their supporters.
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I think it's more likely he will be impeached or in jail.

Nebe · 03-02-2018, 06:54 PM

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The only thing that is going to stop Trump from a 2nd term will be a bullet to the head shot by an anti gun liberal nut job politician or one of their supporters.
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Lmao.
Lock him up....
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Raider Ronnie · 03-02-2018, 07:00 PM

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I think it's more likely he will be impeached or in jail.

If they haven’t locked up Hillary by now it’s not possible to lock up anyone in Washington.
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spence · 03-02-2018, 07:02 PM

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If they haven’t locked up Hillary by now it’s not possible to lock up anyone in Washington.
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Intent.

Nebe · 03-02-2018, 07:08 PM

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If they haven’t locked up Hillary by now it’s not possible to lock up anyone in Washington.
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Half or more of the bull#^&#^&#^&#^& you spew is Russian propaganda.
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wdmso · 03-03-2018, 08:27 AM

the only person left in the White House pretty Soon will be Trump

Who's left ? and in their right mind would take a job there .. to replace His A team

Funny to See Hillary mentioned

Some one said I hope Hillary watchs Fox new Because thats the only place She is President

everyone was worried about her Email server (classified stuff)

But Trumps peoples cant get Security Clearances but have had access for over a year ...

Kushner started working at the White House, he has walked on the edge of what's ethically appropriate. The clearest example of this is his work with top-secret information despite not having been cleared to access it.

Kushner's business got $500M in loans after White House meetings

and its everyones Fault but Trumps the media and the Dems Bias is a fantasy conjured up by Right wing media ..

These issues are real issues not manufactured by the media or the left like some Alex Jones story

So please stop talking about his 2nd Term lets see if he can get thru next week month then year.. its called Crawl ,Walk then Run this administration is still in the crawl phase

Nebe · 03-03-2018, 08:51 AM

You want this drama to end? End the phalicy that the 24 hour news cycle is actually “news”. Bring back the law that states that if you call it “news” it had better damned we’ll be 100% factually correct without opinion. Teach Americans to be capable of independent thought.
When that happens, sanity will return to our lands.
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The Dad Fisherman · 03-03-2018, 10:05 AM

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You want this drama to end? End the phalicy that the 24 hour news cycle is actually “news”. Bring back the law that states that if you call it “news” it had better damned we’ll be 100% factually correct without opinion. Teach Americans to be capable of independent thought.
When that happens, sanity will return to our lands.
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Good luck with that, pretty soon we'll be voting for elected officials via Facebook poll
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PaulS · 03-03-2018, 12:07 PM

Remember when the real scandals were when Obama wore a tan suit in the White House and then there was a picture of him with his feet on the desk.
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Got Stripers · 03-03-2018, 02:29 PM

I don't think his own party has the stomach for another term of crazy fly by the seat of your pants policy decisions; the proposed tariff without any brainstorming with his own party or a panel of economists with brains and a clear understanding of the implications is the perfect example.

I'm all for looking at some new gun legislation, no what a minute I forgot I have a meeting with my NRA chums, can I get back to you on that one.

No offense to the women reading this, but this nut job is locked in a constant state of menopause, he doesn't know if he is coming or going on policy decisions. But we do know his staff is for the most part going.

Slipknot · 03-03-2018, 03:20 PM

I was hoping he would not even run for a second term so they could nominate a candidate like Rand Paul.

Jim in CT · 03-03-2018, 04:02 PM

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Remember when the real scandals were when Obama wore a tan suit in the White House and then there was a picture of him with his feet on the desk.
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Yeah, let's not remember trampling on the religious freedom of Christians, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, the IRS targeting conservatives, the utter failure of Obamacare to lower costs or let people keep their doctors...we were worried about his wardrobe.