You guys are disappointing me

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

And if that's true, was the rest of the media obligated to run with it?


Do you remember Joe The Plumber?

Obama invited him to ask a question...
He asked a question...
Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer...

So instead of telling us why Obama's answer was the best answer for the country, the left mercilessly attacked the guy who they blamed for making Obama look bad.

That's what I am talking about. Always demonize the other guy, instead of discussing the merits of what each side believes. It wasn't Obama's fault, it was Joe's fault, for accepting Obama's invitation to ask a question. How dare he?

It's a vile tactic, yet sadly effective. The people finally had enough. And you still don't get it.

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.[/QUOTE]

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"

Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"
Here you go
"Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer..."


Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.
Trumps Gaslighting seems to have removed your ability to think critically

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?
Trumps effect on the economy is far less than he claims, look at the monthly GDP and employment for the last ten years and show me the magic, now remember that when he was campaigning all those numbers were BS. Now they have miraculously become real and he is taking credit for anything possible to move attention away from the "witch hunt"

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.[/QUOTE]
You seized on a dot in time that has long been forgotten to prove a nonexistent point. A media source becomes The media, if you repeat lies often and long enough they become true,
ask Donald Trump if it works

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"
Here you go
"Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer..."


Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.
Trumps Gaslighting seems to have removed your ability to think critically

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?
Trumps effect on the economy is far less than he claims, look at the monthly GDP and employment for the last ten years and show me the magic, now remember that when he was campaigning all those numbers were BS. Now they have miraculously become real and he is taking credit for anything possible to move attention away from the "witch hunt"

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.

You seized on a dot in time that has long been forgotten to prove a nonexistent point. A media source becomes The media, if you repeat lies often and long enough they become true,
ask Donald Trump if it works[/QUOTE]

"America was repulsed by the answer...""

I see. You are denying that when Obama said we need to "spread the wealth around" that America hated that answer. If you deny that, it's very difficult to see how we can have a rational discussion. Polling showed that answer was unpopular, which is why the liberal establishment focused its wrath on the guy who asked the question. Deny that all you want. But that's what happened.

"Trumps Gaslighting seems to have removed your ability to think critically"

I have been harshly critical of Trump.

"Trumps effect on the economy is far less than he claims"

Oh, I see.

You said hi sonly agenda is to make people forget Obama. He picked a superb Supreme Court Justice, he signed popular tax changes into law, he removed all kinds of burdensome business regulations.

"look at the monthly GDP and employment for the last ten years and show me the magic"

Unemployment isn't low? That's what you are saying?

"You seized on a dot in time that has long been forgotten to prove a nonexistent point"

Which is it? Is my example old, or is it irrelevant? Using a Down Syndrome baby as a political weapon obviously means nothing to you, as long as your side gains. You have the right to that opinion. I think it's disgusting.

I could have pointed to a million examples of media bias (CNN giving debate questions to Hilary comes to mind). I chose ones I found to be particularly offensive.

"You do know Bill Maher is a comedian, perhaps a political one"

I wasn't legitimizing Bill Maher. The only reason I posted that was to show the date of the rumors., it had nothing to do with Maher. Spence seemed to be saying that the rumors about Palin's grandson were not part of the 2008 presidential election, and obviously they were. So I'll ask again, why on Earth, would Karl Rove sabotage the McCain/Palin ticket, in the fall of 2008? Karl Rove wanted Obama to win? That's what Spence believes? In any event, you guys seemed to think those rumors came about in an election other than the 2008 election. It was in 2008.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence seemed to be saying that the rumors about Palin's grandson were not part of the 2008 presidential election, and obviously they were. So I'll ask again, why on Earth, would Karl Rove sabotage the McCain/Palin ticket, in the fall of 2008? Karl Rove wanted Obama to win? That's what Spence believes? In any event, you guys seemed to think those rumors came about in an election other than the 2008 election. It was in 2008.

The Rove whisper campaign was in the 2000 primary when McCain won NH and Bush need to win SC.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The Rove whisper campaign was in the 2000 primary when McCain won NH and Bush need to win SC.

You are talking about the rumors that McCain fathered his adopted daughter, not the rumors about Palin and her son. You were correct.

[Got Stripers]

Hope DJT isn't the white Bill Cosby, with porn stars and playboy models coming out of the woodwork now, we all know how easily distracted he can get and don't get me started on how thin his skin is.

Does it embarrass anyone that the president of our country feels the need to get into a sticks and stones can break my bones childish argument with Joe Biden over how Joe would have treated Donald had they met in high school?

He doesn't listen to advice by those that are paid to give it. He is obsessed with TV and the media; how is this guy doing a job for those that voted for him? If you feel he is doing a job, I suspect any means towards an end is OK. While I agree with "some" of what he has done, I think the example he is setting and the new acceptable conduct in the white house, is really IMHO so wrong on so many levels.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hope DJT isn't the white Bill Cosby, with porn stars and playboy models coming out of the woodwork now, we all know how easily distracted he can get and don't get me started on how thin his skin is.

Does it embarrass anyone that the president of our country feels the need to get into a sticks and stones can break my bones childish argument with Joe Biden over how Joe would have treated Donald had they met in high school?

He doesn't listen to advice by those that are paid to give it. He is obsessed with TV and the media; how is this guy doing a job for those that voted for him? If you feel he is doing a job, I suspect any means towards an end is OK. While I agree with "some" of what he has done, I think the example he is setting and the new acceptable conduct in the white house, is really IMHO so wrong on so many levels.

BUT HILLARY

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hope DJT isn't the white Bill Cosby,

shouldn't you be hoping he is so they can get him out of there asap?