You guys are disappointing me

[spence]

This is a fishing site after all, we have a six figure potentially illegal payment of hush money to cover up the affair with an adult actress...and you guys have nothing to say???

Sanders is done by the way. She can't even lie about the lying any more.

[PaulS]

Old news.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by spence

This is a fishing site after all, we have a six figure potentially illegal payment of hush money to cover up the affair with an adult actress...and you guys have nothing to say???

Sanders is done by the way. She can't even lie about the lying any more.

But Bill..........

[Nebe]

Boys will be boys.
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[Sea Dangles]

If grabbing muffs did nothing to his popularity did you expect this incident to cause a ripple?
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[JohnR]

What? Extramarital affair from a politician? Really? Hush money? Subterfuge?

I thought that was only in the movies??

[Nebe]

I know one thing. If Obama had this stuff going on, all the republicans would be having head asplode syndrome
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I know one thing. If Obama had this stuff going on, all the republicans would be having head asplode syndrome
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Of course they would, and since its Trump the Democrats are having HAS.

That statement is like one big "Well, Duh"
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

Sanders is done by the way. She can't even lie about the lying any more.

Borrowed from someone's Facebook feed - "Every time she says 'Look' the next words out are going to be a lie...."

[Got Stripers]

That crap is who Trump is and unless your living in a bubble, it’s what powerful men tend to think they can get away with. I’m more concerned about him trying to stroke some of his base in those steel states and starting a trade war, which isn’t going to help the economy as a whole.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

That crap is who Trump is and unless your living in a bubble, it’s what powerful men tend to think they can get away with. I’m more concerned about him trying to stroke some of his base in those steel states and starting a trade war, which isn’t going to help the economy as a whole.
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I agree - tarrif's are pretty dumb.
I agree - powerful men (and the occasional woman) DO think they can get away with this and have gotten away with it before.

Short version - treat people well and with respect, oh and don't go extracurricularextramarital and you don't need to worry about the other crap.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

That crap is who Trump is and unless your living in a bubble, it’s what powerful men tend to think they can get away with.
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Originally Posted by JohnR

I agree - powerful men (and the occasional woman) DO think they can get away with this and have gotten away with it before.

B.S. Who else has done this? H Reid, M. McConnell, J. Boehner, C. Schummer, P. Ryan? None of them.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I agree - tarrif's are pretty dumb.
.

Well it's good to see that Trump excluded Canada and Mexico. We should negotiate an agreement with those two countries where trade can flow freely between our three countries. You could call it something like that Northern Hemisphere Free Trade Agreement or something similar.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Borrowed from someone's Facebook feed - "Every time she says 'Look' the next words out are going to be a lie...."

Is that the “tell”
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[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Borrowed from someone's Facebook feed - "Every time she says 'Look' the next words out are going to be a lie...."

She starts nearly every statement with "look"

[wdmso]

Sarah Sanders says -- as far as she knows -- Trump didn't know of porn star payment


Trump Lawyer Obtained Restraining Order to Silence Stormy Daniels


So his lawyer is acting independently for his Client? 1st with the money and then the Restraining order .. yet Trumps says he is uninformed


But the elected POTUS can throw his hot dog down the hallway with a porn star while still being married to his Einstein visa wife who parents immigrated to the US via chain migration

but Sea Dangles is correct "If grabbing muffs did nothing to his popularity did you expect this incident to cause a ripple?"

Amazing how that works ... with the Family values and not enough god in society and video games are bad Crowd

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

She starts nearly every statement with "look"

:-)
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This is a fishing site after all, we have a six figure potentially illegal payment of hush money to cover up the affair with an adult actress...and you guys have nothing to say???

Sanders is done by the way. She can't even lie about the lying any more.

Please.

Bill Clinton was accused of rape. Not merely of being serially unfaithful, but of rape (also he made payoffs to at least one of his victims that we know about).

If Bill Clinton ran against the nicest, the most ethical Republican who ever lived, we all know who you would vote for. Which means your outrage is quite selective. Which means it's fake.

Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile. So was his opponent. But it only bothers you, I guess, when conservatives act this way.

If the democrats and their PR wing in the media hadn't unfairly portrayed McCain as a racist, and then unfairly portrayed Romney as a heartless plutocrat who objectified women (for keeping resumes in a binder for Christ's sake), if Obama hadn't called us bitter clingers, if Hilary hadn't called us deplorables, there would be no President Trump.

I'm not saying give anyone a pass. I'm saying be fair. The media can't come close to doing that. So my side nominated someone who could operate in that sleazy sphere, and do so quite effectively. Someone who could absorb the cheap shots without batting an eye, and throw elbows right back. He doesn't merely survive in the ring of mud-slinging, he loves it. That's his briar patch.

You asked for this, you got it. You plant potatoes, guess what? You get potatoes.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Please.

Bill Clinton was accused of rape. Not merely of being serially unfaithful, but of rape (also he made payoffs to at least one of his victims that we know about).

If Bill Clinton ran against the nicest, the most ethical Republican who ever lived, we all know who you would vote for. Which means your outrage is quite selective. Which means it's fake.

Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile. So was his opponent. But it only bothers you, I guess, when conservatives act this way.

If the democrats and their PR wing in the media hadn't unfairly portrayed McCain as a racist, and then unfairly portrayed Romney as a heartless plutocrat who objectified women (for keeping resumes in a binder for Christ's sake), if Obama hadn't called us bitter clingers, if Hilary hadn't called us deplorables, there would be no President Trump.

I'm not saying give anyone a pass. I'm saying be fair. The media can't come close to doing that. So my side nominated someone who could operate in that sleazy sphere, and do so quite effectively. Someone who could absorb the cheap shots without batting an eye, and throw elbows right back. He doesn't merely survive in the ring of mud-slinging, he loves it. That's his briar patch.

You asked for this, you got it. You plant potatoes, guess what? You get potatoes.

I’m confused is what you’re saying that anytime the media reports they should find somebody who did something equally as immoral, illegal or stupid as Trump has done for a comparison since what seems to happen is anytime Trump does something somebody says but Hillary or Obama or but Bill did this
The media reacts the way they do because for years Trump got attention by ranting and campaigning as a birther, about Presidents playing golf, taking vacations, not having gun control, infidelity etc. Funny how they are all things he has or is doing but he bought off his base with smoke and mirrors so they are upset that the media dares to say the Emperor has no clothes.
You probably think he has a nice head of hair.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’m confused is what you’re saying that anytime the media reports they should find somebody who did something equally as immoral, illegal or stupid as Trump has done for a comparison since what seems to happen is anytime Trump does something somebody says but Hillary or Obama or but Bill did this
The media reacts the way they do because for years Trump got attention by ranting and campaigning as a birther, about Presidents playing golf, taking vacations, not having gun control, infidelity etc. Funny how they are all things he has or is doing but he bought off his base with smoke and mirrors so they are upset that the media dares to say the Emperor has no clothes.
You probably think he has a nice head of hair.
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"I’m confused "

I wish the media would be honest with political candidates, regardless of party. When a candidate does something good, give him credit. When he does something bad, criticize him for it. But hold both parties to the same standard. Foxnews gives a pass to Republicans. Every other media outlet is 100% in the tank for democrats.

John McCain adopted a girl from, I think, Bangladesh, when she was a baby. An amazing act of love and generosity, correct? During the 2008 campaign, the New York Times ran a story suggesting that the girl was actually his biological daughter from an extramarital affair. It wasn't true. This is a man who got kicked in the ribs every day for 4 years, who never regained the full use of his arm after getting shot down, and that's the thanks he gets because he is a Republican. That's what I am talking about.

When Palin was running for VP, the media ran stories that her Down Syndrome baby, was actually not her child, but her grandchild. The media used a Down Syndrome baby as a club to use against someone with whom they disagree.

When Hilary lied about getting shot at in Bosnia, how many in the media held her accountable?


If you have no issue with that, you have that right. But a lot of people got fed up with the unfair attacks, so we (not me, but my side) nominated a guy who doesn't even blink when people treat him this way.

"The media reacts the way they do because for years Trump "

Oh, you are saying media bias is Trump's fault!! I see!!

The media abandoned honesty long before Trump entered politics, when the Iraq War went south. They hated Bush, and their determination to destroy him, was more important than their professional integrity. They haven't even tried to regain that integrity. CNN gave debate questions ahead of time, to their preferred candidate. Some "news" network.

Trump is not the reason why the media was so in the tank for Obama in 08 and 12.

"You probably think he has a nice head of hair"

You know absolutely nothing about me. There's very little about the way he conducts himself, that I like. But I agree with him on policy, far more often than I agree with Hilary. So I plugged my nose and voted for him. It wasn't pleasant, but it was very simple.

[PaulS]

Jim, I thought Repub. where morally superior? How many times have you tried making that BS arguement yet nothing you post and the actual facts demonstrates that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

John McCain adopted a girl from, I think, Bangladesh, when she was a baby. An amazing act of love and generosity, correct? During the 2008 campaign, the New York Times ran a story suggesting that the girl was actually his biological daughter from an extramarital affair. It wasn't true. This is a man who got kicked in the ribs every day for 4 years, who never regained the full use of his arm after getting shot down, and that's the thanks he gets because he is a Republican. That's what I am talking about.

Actually that was a whisper campaign started by Karl Rove.

When Palin was running for VP, the media ran stories that her Down Syndrome baby, was actually not her child, but her grandchild. The media used a Down Syndrome baby as a club to use against someone with whom they disagree.

A story that was broken by the mainstream media giant the Anchorage Daily News!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim, I thought Repub. where morally superior? How many times have you tried making that BS arguement yet nothing you post and the actual facts demonstrates that.

"Jim, I thought Repub. where morally superior? How many times have you tried making that BS argument"

If you are talking about elected politicians on either side, I have often said that there are plenty of scumbags on the right. I've said it again and again and again and again.

Obviously, I think that conservatism (the platform) is vastly superior to liberalism...morally, economically, spiritually, culturally, and way you want to compare them.

In terms of comparing the people? Depends on if you mean national politicians, local politicians, regular citizens who are fairly devout to the ideology, or regular citizens who are only casually devout to that ideology, or if you mean the media.

When talking about politicians and media talking heads, I find that conservatives generally want to debate the merits of an issue, because they think they can win the debate. Liberals tend to want to shut down the conservative, or to demonize him as a racist/sexist/xenophobe/homophobe/Islamophobe, because they know they don't have an argument that plays well. Demonizing the opponent, is what one does, when one can not defeat the opponent in the debate.

I have asked this MANY times Paul, when was the last time conservatives rioted, in order to prevent a liberal speaker, from speaking? It doesn't happen. Why do you suppose that is?

I can no longer make any claim to moral superiority of Republican presidents. Before the election of 2016, I was very comfortable making that claim, at least regarding the last 30 years. Not anymore. That makes me sad. But if the only way to defeat Hilary was to elect a Republican who was a jerk, I sleep like a baby given that choice.

The Democrats, and the media, refused to fight fair in presidential elections. So we nominated someone who was quite comfortable fighting dirty, and winning the dirty fight.

You reap what you sow.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually that was a whisper campaign started by Karl Rove.

[QUTOE]When Palin was running for VP, the media ran stories that her Down Syndrome baby, was actually not her child, but her grandchild. The media used a Down Syndrome baby as a club to use against someone with whom they disagree.

A story that was broken by the mainstream media giant the Anchorage Daily News![/QUOTE]

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

And if that's true, was the rest of the media obligated to run with it?


Do you remember Joe The Plumber?

Obama invited him to ask a question...
He asked a question...
Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer...

So instead of telling us why Obama's answer was the best answer for the country, the left mercilessly attacked the guy who they blamed for making Obama look bad.

That's what I am talking about. Always demonize the other guy, instead of discussing the merits of what each side believes. It wasn't Obama's fault, it was Joe's fault, for accepting Obama's invitation to ask a question. How dare he?

It's a vile tactic, yet sadly effective. The people finally had enough. And you still don't get it.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

A story that was broken by the mainstream media giant the Anchorage Daily News

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

And if that's true, was the rest of the media obligated to run with it?


Do you remember Joe The Plumber?

Obama invited him to ask a question...
He asked a question...
Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer...

So instead of telling us why Obama's answer was the best answer for the country, the left mercilessly attacked the guy who they blamed for making Obama look bad.

That's what I am talking about. Always demonize the other guy, instead of discussing the merits of what each side believes. It wasn't Obama's fault, it was Joe's fault, for accepting Obama's invitation to ask a question. How dare he?

It's a vile tactic, yet sadly effective. The people finally had enough. And you still don't get it.

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

No, Jim just can't keep his own rants straight. Two different election cycles.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

And if that's true, was the rest of the media obligated to run with it?


Do you remember Joe The Plumber?

Obama invited him to ask a question...
He asked a question...
Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer...

So instead of telling us why Obama's answer was the best answer for the country, the left mercilessly attacked the guy who they blamed for making Obama look bad.

That's what I am talking about. Always demonize the other guy, instead of discussing the merits of what each side believes. It wasn't Obama's fault, it was Joe's fault, for accepting Obama's invitation to ask a question. How dare he?

It's a vile tactic, yet sadly effective. The people finally had enough. And you still don't get it.

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.[/QUOTE]

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"

Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, Jim just can't keep his own rants straight. Two different election cycles.

The claim that Trig was her grandson, was made right after she got selected as the VP candidate in 2008. My facts are very in order.

So if you can tell me why Karl Rove would be sabotaging the McCain/Palin ticket just after the 2008 Republican Convention, I'm all ears.

Here's a link to the rumors that Bill Maher was helping to spread, in September 2008.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...y-her-grandson

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"
Here you go
"Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer..."


Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.
Trumps Gaslighting seems to have removed your ability to think critically

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?
Trumps effect on the economy is far less than he claims, look at the monthly GDP and employment for the last ten years and show me the magic, now remember that when he was campaigning all those numbers were BS. Now they have miraculously become real and he is taking credit for anything possible to move attention away from the "witch hunt"

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.[/QUOTE]
You seized on a dot in time that has long been forgotten to prove a nonexistent point. A media source becomes The media, if you repeat lies often and long enough they become true,
ask Donald Trump if it works

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The claim that Trig was her grandson, was made right after she got selected as the VP candidate in 2008. My facts are very in order.

So if you can tell me why Karl Rove would be sabotaging the McCain/Palin ticket just after the 2008 Republican Convention, I'm all ears.

Here's a link to the rumors that Bill Maher was helping to spread, in September 2008.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...y-her-grandson

You do know Bill Maher is a comedian, perhaps a political one, but still not necessarily any more truthful than the originator of Little Adam Schiff, Little rocket Man (who he is now going to meet with, that is really scary), Lying Ted, Sloppy Steve, Pocohantas, Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Crazy Megyn and Honeybunch.