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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I see, so the Trump campaign using stolen data in a social media scheme (via a company with ties to Russia and Ukraine) to influence the election is "nothing."

Was the information "stolen"? Did Facebook adequately protect the info? Did the Trump campaign steal anything? The rising hubbub seems to be aimed at Facebook for careless handling of info. Was anything that was done illegal? Is this something actually new?

Lionel is an experienced trial lawyer. He said it was not illegal. Check with him.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Was the information "stolen"? Did Facebook adequately protect the info? Did the Trump campaign steal anything? The rising hubbub seems to be aimed at Facebook for careless handling of info. Was anything that was done illegal? Is this something actually new?

Yes, some 50 million users were misled into giving up personal information and then the firm subsequently lied repeatedly about it. The effort was led by Steve Bannon who became Trump's chief strategist.

Muller has requested all correspondence.

Another piece of the puzzle.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Yes, some 50 million users were misled into giving up personal information and then the firm subsequently lied repeatedly about it. The effort was led by Steve Bannon who became Trump's chief strategist.

Muller has requested all correspondence.

Another piece of the puzzle.

That's a good one. Misleading and lying are crimes. Whos left in politics that is not a criminal?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Yes, some 50 million users were misled into giving up personal information

Another piece of the puzzle.

A former Obama campaign official is claiming that Facebook knowingly allowed them to mine massive amounts of Facebook data — more than they would’ve allowed someone else to do — because they were supportive of the campaign.

In a Sunday tweet thread, Carol Davidsen, former director of integration and media analytics for Obama for America, said the 2012 campaign led Facebook to “suck out the whole social graph” and target potential voters.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

A former Obama campaign official is claiming that Facebook knowingly allowed them to mine massive amounts of Facebook data — more than they would’ve allowed someone else to do — because they were supportive of the campaign.

In a Sunday tweet thread, Carol Davidsen, former director of integration and media analytics for Obama for America, said the 2012 campaign led Facebook to “suck out the whole social graph” and target potential voters.

The Daily Caller: "If Davidsen’s accusation is indeed true, it could prove a serious problem for Facebook. In the case of the Trump campaign, Facebook’s allowance for the misuse of its data was an accidental oversight; as far as the Obama campaign goes, it appears that it was completely intentional."

It appears that no laws were broken in either case, but that Facebook is the entity that has the problem of not properly securing its customer's data.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

A former Obama campaign official is claiming that Facebook knowingly allowed them to mine massive amounts of Facebook data — more than they would’ve allowed someone else to do — because they were supportive of the campaign.

In a Sunday tweet thread, Carol Davidsen, former director of integration and media analytics for Obama for America, said the 2012 campaign led Facebook to “suck out the whole social graph” and target potential voters.

Sounds like the Obama campaign was using available methods at the time while the firm Trump employed tricked users into providing information by claiming it was for research.

Not the same.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like the Obama campaign was using available methods at the time while the firm Trump employed tricked users into providing information by claiming it was for research.

Not the same.

No, it's not the same. Facebook willingly allowed the data mining of its users by the Obama administration. Not sure why that is ethical or not misleading. It sounds like Facebook allowed itself to be politicized, in spite of its unbiased face to the public. Kinda tricky, dontcha think?

If Cambridge Analytica used trickery, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ALLOWED ACCESS AS WAS O's ADMIN., then trickery was necessary in order to have the same access. And trickery is not a crime.

But I get it. If you prefer the goose to the gander, then it's OK if the goose does it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

No, it's not the same. Facebook willingly allowed the data mining of its users by the Obama administration. Not sure why that is ethical or not misleading. It sounds like Facebook allowed itself to be politicized, in spite of its unbiased face to the public. Kinda tricky, dontcha think?

If Cambridge Analytica used trickery, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ALLOWED ACCESS AS WAS O's ADMIN., then trickery was necessary in order to have the same access. And trickery is not a crime.

But I get it. If you prefer the goose to the gander, then it's OK if the goose does it.

actually...according to the article Facebook was tricked into providing the info but didn't complain because they were supporting the Chosen One

Spence thinks Obama is a World Class Golfer too....

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

No, it's not the same. Facebook willingly allowed the data mining of its users by the Obama administration. Not sure why that is ethical or not misleading. It sounds like Facebook allowed itself to be politicized, in spite of its unbiased face to the public. Kinda tricky, dontcha think?

If Cambridge Analytica used trickery, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ALLOWED ACCESS AS WAS O's ADMIN., then trickery was necessary in order to have the same access. And trickery is not a crime.

Data mining of users is part of the platform. It's how FB makes money. Their privacy policies also evolve and what was allowed under Obama wasn't the same as what was allowed just prior to Trump, via Steve Bannon when the data was collected.

The accusation being reported here is that the firm, established with right wing money used a sham research app to collect user data without notifying said users it was for political purposes.

FB certainly has some questions to answer but so does CA, Bannon and the Trump Campaign. Mr. Mueller is asking.

[scottw]

I thought it was interesting that the Obama campaign was actually the first to pay Fusion GPS through the same law firm that the Hillary campaign used to pay them to dig dirt and smear Romney...seem the pure and fabulous Obama was actually setting all sorts of standards for sneaky and bad behavior...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Data mining of users is part of the platform. It's how FB makes money. Their privacy policies also evolve and what was allowed under Obama wasn't the same as what was allowed just prior to Trump, via Steve Bannon when the data was collected.

The accusation being reported here is that the firm, established with right wing money used a sham research app to collect user data without notifying said users it was for political purposes.

FB certainly has some questions to answer but so does CA, Bannon and the Trump Campaign. Mr. Mueller is asking.

What was illegal?