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04-09-2018, 06:51 PM
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Come on John.. your a smart man. You want a gun? You go in and buy a gun. You want bullets? No problem. A woman wants birth control? Hold on... let’s consult her employer’s religious beliefs first. Was she raped and wants to abort the rapist’s offspring? Let’s see if the government will let her do that. Some states make it very difficult and if some had their way they would outlaw it completely because a baby is a gift from god and a miracle.
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04-09-2018, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Come on John.. your a smart man. You want a gun? You go in and buy a gun. You want bullets? No problem. A woman wants birth control? Hold on... let’s consult her employer’s religious beliefs first. Was she raped and wants to abort the rapist’s offspring? Let’s see if the government will let her do that. Some states make it very difficult and if some had their way they would outlaw it completely because a baby is a gift from god and a miracle.
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Actually, it is easier to buy birth control than it is to buy a gun. You can, as you say, "go in and buy some birth control . . . no problem." But you can't just "go in and buy a gun." Some paperwork has to be done and you have to be qualified, among other obstacles. But if you're talking about insurance paying for birth control . . . well . . . actually, I think it is even an more difficult to get an insurance policy that will pay for your purchase of a gun than it is to get an insurance policy that will pay for your birth control.
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04-09-2018, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Come on John.. your a smart man. You want a gun? You go in and buy a gun. You want bullets? No problem. A woman wants birth control? Hold on... let’s consult her employer’s religious beliefs first. Was she raped and wants to abort the rapist’s offspring? Let’s see if the government will let her do that. Some states make it very difficult and if some had their way they would outlaw it completely because a baby is a gift from god and a miracle.
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Ya know Eben, that is not how this works.
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04-10-2018, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Come on John.. your a smart man. You want a gun? You go in and buy a gun. You want bullets? No problem. A woman wants birth control? Hold on... let’s consult her employer’s religious beliefs first.
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To get a gun I need to get a license. for that, first I need to take a safety course, then have a background check, and then get the approval of the Police Chief.
A woman can ALWAYS get Birth control, you're confusing her access to it with who gets the bill.
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04-10-2018, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
To get a gun I need to get a license. for that, first I need to take a safety course, then have a background check, and then get the approval of the Police Chief.
A woman can ALWAYS get Birth control, you're confusing her access to it with who gets the bill.
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You are talking about a handgun. :moon:
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04-10-2018, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
all i hear from you and other 2a supporters is the same broken record Their coming for our guns .. I ask who and your this is your answer ?
we all know who the control freaks are.. No we dont lets hear some names names maybe an organization or is this more deep-state voodoo
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Wayne: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/de...rnd/index.html
Pete: http://www.reformer.com/stories/will...ictions,536718
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A new low for this forum.
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Nahhhh, hold my beer ; )
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Originally Posted by Nebe
You are talking about a handgun. :moon:
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No Eben - in order to purchase a gun in Mass you must already have a gun permit (FID Card) - which means you have gone trough all the forms, background checks, and processes plus have waited one to two months (or more) in order to get the card.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I'm concerned because i think that eventually my children will not have the right to have guns.
My other concern is that many of the same people who are concerned about having gun rights think that people do not have the right to:
Burn a flag
Build a house
Do any drug they want
Not pay taxes
Have a boat
Eat horses
Have or eat a dog
Have more than one wife
Distill alcohol
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Interesting list. Missed your point - you want your kids to be able to do whatever drugs they want? Eat your dog?
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04-10-2018, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Wayne: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/de...rnd/index.html
Pete: http://www.reformer.com/stories/will...ictions,536718
That will be interesting, In Vermont if Republicans are pissed at their candidate it usually means a Democrat gets elected.
Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
I'm concerned because i think that eventually my children will not have the right to have guns.
My other concern is that many of the same people who are concerned about having gun rights think that people do not have the right to:
Burn a flag
Build a house
Do any drug they want
Not pay taxes
Have a boat
Eat horses
Have or eat a dog
Have more than one wife
Distill alcohol
Interesting list. Missed your point - you want your kids to be able to do whatever drugs they want? Eat your dog?
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No, just that all those things can be done in some other countries.
We are not quite as free as we like to think.
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04-10-2018, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
No, just that all those things can be done in some other countries.
We are not quite as free as we like to think.
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free to move...
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04-10-2018, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
No Eben - in order to purchase a gun in Mass you must already have a gun permit (FID Card) - which means you have gone trough all the forms, background checks, and processes plus have waited one to two months (or more) in order to get the card.
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Perhaps that's a key contributor to MA's ultra low gun death rate.
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04-10-2018, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Perhaps that's a key contributor to MA's ultra low gun death rate.
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Perhaps it isn't. Other states with less strict gun laws also have low gun death rates. What was Massachusetts' gun death rate before having its current laws?
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04-10-2018, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Perhaps that's a key contributor to MA's ultra low gun death rate.
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Maybe because Massachusetts is ranked #1 in mental health care? Oh that's right, we aren't supposed to connect mental health to the gun control issue.
http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/i...ranking-states
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or maybe it's because Mass is top 3rd of the country for unemployment?
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
or maybe it's the rather low Suicide rate in Mass, since that gets lumped into all the stats about gun violence.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/suicide.htm
one thing I noticed is that if you bounce the Suicide by state against the Unemployment by state, the States with the highest unemployment seem to be in the states with the highest suicide rates.
so maybe if we looked at the more socio-economic issues instead of an inanimate object, maybe we can figure something out.
Last edited by The Dad Fisherman; 04-10-2018 at 10:15 AM..
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04-10-2018, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
so maybe if we looked at the more socio-economic issues instead of an inanimate object, maybe we can figure something out.
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but why would we want to do that Kevin? Oh , I know, it takes more effort and politicians are lazy and do things the easy way with little effort because they don't friggin care. We all know gun control is about control, yet some follow along mindlessly like sheep.
The rest of your post is spot on also but it does not fit the Left's agenda
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05-01-2018, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Maybe because Massachusetts is ranked #1 in mental health care? Oh that's right, we aren't supposed to connect mental health to the gun control issue.
http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/i...ranking-states
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or maybe it's because Mass is top 3rd of the country for unemployment?
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
or maybe it's the rather low Suicide rate in Mass, since that gets lumped into all the stats about gun violence.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/suicide.htm
one thing I noticed is that if you bounce the Suicide by state against the Unemployment by state, the States with the highest unemployment seem to be in the states with the highest suicide rates.
so maybe if we looked at the more socio-economic issues instead of an inanimate object, maybe we can figure something out.
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It’s a lot easier to blame the inanimate object, than it is to accept responsibility for ourselves. One of the cornerstones if liberalism is that no one is responsible for the things they do.
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04-10-2018, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Wayne: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/de...rnd/index.html
yes but they did not ban guns now did they .. they banned assault rifles well with in their right to do so not all guns
Pete: http://www.reformer.com/stories/will...ictions,536718
Nahhhh, hold my beer ; )
No Eben - in order to purchase a gun in Mass you must already have a gun permit (FID Card) - which means you have gone trough all the forms, background checks, and processes plus have waited one to two months (or more) in order to get the card.
Interesting list. Missed your point - you want your kids to be able to do whatever drugs they want? Eat your dog?
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but nice try
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04-10-2018, 05:11 PM
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but nice try
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Through legislation they told their citizens if they have something that was legal yesterday - turn it in or be fined 200-1000 dollars per day. Unless you jump through a bunch of hoops.
For all practical purposes they are confiscating those firearms.
Can you guess who won't be turning them in? The people that already own them illegally.
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04-10-2018, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
The Trump vector seems the closest we've gotten the past century, but in this case it's the gun zealots who are his blind supporters.
Still, it's so far off to be a non threat and a foolish errand at that. While the system had a hiccup in 2016 it seems like the key parts are still working if at times a bit clumsy.
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Trump is the most likely vector?
It really should not matter who is President, but thanks for your inclusive approach.
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04-10-2018, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
You are talking about a handgun. :moon:
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No, I am talking about any gun.
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