Texas Shooting

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

So a bullied teen wears a Trench (tribute to past shooter) coat to school daily and nobody had a clue, sorry not buying it. Searching for all the details of past school shootings possibly could have been flagged if the right people were watching for it. Maybe it’s time to raise the age well above 17 and hold these “parents” responsible when the good boy they never thought capable goes ballistic.
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Too many people doing nothing but pointing out the imperfections in proposed solutions. They are making perfect be the enemy of good.

I'm of the opinion that the solution involves a whole lot more than guns (unless you have a way to confiscate the tens of millions that are already out there, which is impossible). We have a cultural, behavioral problem (and in my opinion, a spiritual problem) as much as we have a gun availability problem. Crappy parents, single parents, kid spending 22 hours a day online, bullying, isolationism, the violence we bombard our kids with. The further away we get from traditional family values, the more broken our moral compass becomes.

If we're serious, first thing, you limit schools to 1-2 entrances with metal detectors at each. That will cost $$, but will save some lives.

[JohnR]

Individual schools need a security assessment - what works for one (less entrances for example) may not work for others.

Less entrances brings up its own set of problems.

We do need some kind of Gun Violence Red Flag system that will pass Constitutional rules on individuals - including a process that restores rights when unproperly applied.

We may need better laws on safe storage.

All these things can help but if bot sides can't work together we are not going to have any solutions. The Ban Gun folks are only willing to confiscate, for many there is no compromise. The pro 2A folks (of which I support) are very hesitant to move on some issues when the Ban Guns people are going to again increase pressure when and if anything is done.

We already see the Ban / Confiscate people run with slogans and denigrate others that do not toe their party line and fully advocate for up to and including a complete ban.

Yep - those are the people I am going to compromise with /sarc

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Individual schools need a security assessment - what works for one (less entrances for example) may not work for others.

Less entrances brings up its own set of problems.

We do need some kind of Gun Violence Red Flag system that will pass Constitutional rules on individuals - including a process that restores rights when unproperly applied.

We may need better laws on safe storage.

All these things can help but if bot sides can't work together we are not going to have any solutions. The Ban Gun folks are only willing to confiscate, for many there is no compromise. The pro 2A folks (of which I support) are very hesitant to move on some issues when the Ban Guns people are going to again increase pressure when and if anything is done.

We already see the Ban / Confiscate people run with slogans and denigrate others that do not toe their party line and fully advocate for up to and including a complete ban.

Yep - those are the people I am going to compromise with /sarc

"Less entrances brings up its own set of problems."

Every proposed solution, will create a new set of issues to tackle. Maybe those problems are preferable to the problem of putting tiny caskets in the ground.

"The Ban Gun folks are only willing to confiscate, for many there is no compromise. The pro 2A folks (of which I support) are very hesitant to move on some issues when the Ban Guns people are going to again increase pressure when and if anything is done. "

Many on the left are fixated on solving this with gun restrictions, and common sense suggests that of all proposed solutions, gun solutions aren't going to reduce the body count as much as other solutions. But the folks who believe that the 2A is absolute aren't bending either. The pro 2A folks are going to have to throw everyone else a bone to get something done, and bump stocks and high capacity magazines are a likely offering. We can argue all day long about all the ways to kill people without bump stocks and high capacity magazines, but how do we look at our kids if we do nothing? How?

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Many on the left are fixated on solving this with gun restrictions, and common sense suggests that of all proposed solutions, gun solutions aren't going to reduce the body count as much as other solutions. But the folks who believe that the 2A is absolute aren't bending either.

Why should they bend? because banning an inanimate object has worked out so well in the past with prohibition and drugs etc. What makes them think it can even be accomplished without deaths on both sides


The pro 2A folks are going to have to throw everyone else a bone to get something done, and bump stocks and high capacity magazines are a likely offering.

Are you kidding? those people have been and will continue to pick away piece by piece until everything is not allowed, don't you get it? Swalwell and the other nutcases are not the kind of people you comprimise ANYTHING.


We can argue all day long about all the ways to kill people without bump stocks and high capacity magazines, but how do we look at our kids if we do nothing? By treating them with respect and communicating with intelligence informing of the right thing to do. Society has gone into lalaland where everything is given to them like ............... ah forget it, you know what has happened How?

We are doing something, but it is never enough

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Too many people doing nothing but pointing out the imperfections in proposed solutions. They are making perfect be the enemy of good.

I'm of the opinion that the solution involves a whole lot more than guns (unless you have a way to confiscate the tens of millions that are already out there, which is impossible). We have a cultural, behavioral problem (and in my opinion, a spiritual problem) as much as we have a gun availability problem. Crappy parents, single parents, kid spending 22 hours a day online, bullying, isolationism, the violence we bombard our kids with. The further away we get from traditional family values, the more broken our moral compass becomes.

If we're serious, first thing, you limit schools to 1-2 entrances with metal detectors at each. That will cost $$, but will save some lives.

You hit the nail on the head, gun's are not the problem, although access by these troubled teens is. Parents just get a pass on being miserable at one of the most important jobs of their lives and kids today just don't value life like we older generations do.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You hit the nail on the head, gun's are not the problem, although access by these troubled teens is. Parents just get a pass on being miserable at one of the most important jobs of their lives and kids today just don't value life like we older generations do.

Unfortunately we can't pass legislation that makes people behave responsibly.

I'd like to see what percentage of mass shooters (or for that matter, what percentage of all murderers) were raised in homes where ...

(1) there are two parents committed to the kids
(2) one parent stays at home raising the kids when they are little, and watches them like hawks and loves them like crazy
(3) families eat dinner together most nights at the dining room table, with all electronics turned off, where everyone listens to each other and gives a damn about what everyone else says
(4) where the kids know that no matter what, their parents love them
(5) where the entire family goes to church once in awhile, and talks together about what was said.
(6) where the kids are involved in SOME activity besides watching TV, be it sports, music, scouting, drama, whatever. And the parents make every effort to be at every practice/performance.

I'd be willing to bet that a staggering low % of murderers come from these types of homes. So you can't help but wonder, why one of the 2 major political parties, never stops mocking those values, and never stops saying that 'progress' is made by getting further and further away from those values.

That ideal sure ain't easy. It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to work...and in most cases, it does.