Pelosi defends MS-13 from Trump

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"calls Dems and the press enemies of the country and scum. Obama or Clinton never used such language - not even close"

Hilary said republicans are deplorable and irredeemable. Look up the definitions of those words. Again, not as vulgar as saying "scum", but of course she's expressing equal loathing for her opponents that Trump does, she's just using more elegant language. I don't give points for masking hate behind elegant language, perhaps you do.

John McCain and Mitt Romney are deplorable and irredeemable? Whatever...

No, Jim, she did not say all republicans are deplorable. You are generalizing and resorting to hyperbole, something you get on us liberals for all the time.

She was referring to the Trump supporters who were homophobic, xenophobic etc… That is not calling all republicans and certainly not specifically McCain and Romney deplorable. I think the folks that fall into those racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic are deplorable. On that I’d agree with her.

Listen, she wasn’t my first second or fifth choice for 2016, but I think she was a better choice than the jackass we have now. This isn’t a defense of a comment that probably could have been more tactful and less derisive, but don’t generalize to try and fit your agenda. I would also love to see Pelosi go, she isn’t the leadership I want in the current democratic party.


Quote (from politifact, I added bold),
We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, Jim, she did not say all republicans are deplorable. You are generalizing and resorting to hyperbole, something you get on us liberals for all the time.

She was referring to the Trump supporters who were homophobic, xenophobic etc… That is not calling all republicans and certainly not specifically McCain and Romney deplorable. I think the folks that fall into those racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic are deplorable. On that I’d agree with her.

Listen, she wasn’t my first second or fifth choice for 2016, but I think she was a better choice than the jackass we have now. This isn’t a defense of a comment that probably could have been more tactful and less derisive, but don’t generalize to try and fit your agenda. I would also love to see Pelosi go, she isn’t the leadership I want in the current democratic party.


Quote (from politifact, I added bold),
We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

Ok, so she called half of trump supporters ( tens of millions of people), the most disgusting things possible. You want to defend that, pretend it was something other than what it was, knock yourself out.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ok, so she called half of trump supporters ( tens of millions of people), the most disgusting things possible. You want to defend that, pretend it was something other than what it was, knock yourself out.
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I am not defending anything Jim, but context and full quotes matter (god I sound like Spence, ugh).

Yes, she called the half of Trump supporters who are racist, sexist, homophobic etc.. deplorable. If someone is a racist, sexist and homophobe, I agree, they are probably a deplorable human being...

Maybe it is only 25% of the trump supporters, that fit that bill.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, Jim, she did not say all republicans are deplorable. You are generalizing and resorting to hyperbole, something you get on us liberals for all the time.

She was referring to the Trump supporters who were homophobic, xenophobic etc… That is not calling all republicans and certainly not specifically McCain and Romney deplorable. I think the folks that fall into those racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic are deplorable. On that I’d agree with her.

Listen, she wasn’t my first second or fifth choice for 2016, but I think she was a better choice than the jackass we have now. This isn’t a defense of a comment that probably could have been more tactful and less derisive, but don’t generalize to try and fit your agenda. I would also love to see Pelosi go, she isn’t the leadership I want in the current democratic party.


Quote (from politifact, I added bold),
We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

Before trump, influential conservatives wanted to talk about the merits of the issues, liberals just want to demonize.

Example- I’m pro life. And I follow politics, and I follow the news. When I hear influential liberals talking about those who are pro life, I hear us described as anti choice, sexist, opposed to women’s health. You know what I have never heard, not once? The truth. I have never heard an influential liberal say, “ you know what? Pro life people base their position on empathy. I think it’s misguided empathy, but it’s based on empathy nonetheless.” I will never hear that, because it’s more politically effective to call he mysogynist like Hilary did.

Trump plays their dirty game, no question. He beats them at it, in fact.

But he didn’t come out of nowhere. He was the conservative answer to the dirty tactics the liberals and the media used against McCain ( the racist) and Romney ( the heartless plutocrat).
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[Pete F.]

As she said the following day
"Last night I was ‘grossly generalistic,’ and that's never a good idea. I regret saying ‘half’ -- that was wrong. But let's be clear, what's really ‘deplorable’ is that Donald Trump hired a major advocate for the so-called ‘alt-right’ movement to run his campaign and that David Duke and other white supremacists see him as a champion of their values. It's deplorable that Trump has built his campaign largely on prejudice and paranoia and given a national platform to hateful views and voices, including by retweeting fringe bigots with a few dozen followers and spreading their message to 11 million people. It's deplorable that he's attacked a federal judge for his ‘Mexican heritage,’ bullied a Gold Star family because of their Muslim faith, and promoted the lie that our first black president is not a true American. So I won't stop calling out bigotry and racist rhetoric in this campaign. I also meant what I said last night about empathy, and the very real challenges we face as a country where so many people have been left out and left behind. As I said, many of Trump's supporters are hard-working Americans who just don’t feel like the economy or our political system are working for them. I'm determined to bring our country together and make our economy work for everyone, not just those at the top. Because we really are ‘stronger together.’ "

Of course when you are at the Trump Gloryhole, just be happy and don't look behind the curtain.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As she said the following day
"Last night I was ‘grossly generalistic,’ and that's never a good idea. I regret saying ‘half’ -- that was wrong. But let's be clear, what's really ‘deplorable’ is that Donald Trump hired a major advocate for the so-called ‘alt-right’ movement to run his campaign and that David Duke and other white supremacists see him as a champion of their values. It's deplorable that Trump has built his campaign largely on prejudice and paranoia and given a national platform to hateful views and voices, including by retweeting fringe bigots with a few dozen followers and spreading their message to 11 million people. It's deplorable that he's attacked a federal judge for his ‘Mexican heritage,’ bullied a Gold Star family because of their Muslim faith, and promoted the lie that our first black president is not a true American. So I won't stop calling out bigotry and racist rhetoric in this campaign. I also meant what I said last night about empathy, and the very real challenges we face as a country where so many people have been left out and left behind. As I said, many of Trump's supporters are hard-working Americans who just don’t feel like the economy or our political system are working for them. I'm determined to bring our country together and make our economy work for everyone, not just those at the top. Because we really are ‘stronger together.’ "

Of course when you are at the Trump Gloryhole, just be happy and don't look behind the curtain.

A self-serving apology, suggested by her campaign staff when people were justifiably offended by her insane remarks. Not impressed. I am certain she knew exactly what she was saying (like Obama's bitter clinger remarks), and equally certain she meant it.

I despise Trump, hate his behavior. I know exactly what's behind the curtain, I know how vindictive and self absorbed he is. I call out ugliness on both sides.

Integrity was not on the ballot in 2016, not anywhere.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

A self-serving apology, suggested by her campaign staff when people were justifiably offended by her insane remarks. Not impressed. I am certain she knew exactly what she was saying (like Obama's bitter clinger remarks), and equally certain she meant it.

Just curious how hard you type when you write this stuff.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"calls Dems and the press enemies of the country and scum. Obama or Clinton never used such language - not even close"

Hilary said republicans are deplorable and irredeemable. Look up the definitions of those words. Again, not as vulgar as saying "scum", but of course she's expressing equal loathing for her opponents that Trump does, she's just using more elegant language. I don't give points for masking hate behind elegant language, perhaps you do.

John McCain and Mitt Romney are deplorable and irredeemable? Whatever...

Did she say all Repubs. where deplorable? And didn't Clinton apologize the very next day? You use that tired old insult repeatedly bc there are so few to use - Whatever.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Just curious how hard you type when you write this stuff.

If that’s the best response you have, we know I’ve won. And the answer is not hard at all. You are confusing being right, with being angry.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Did she say all Repubs. where deplorable? And didn't Clinton apologize the very next day? You use that tired old insult repeatedly bc there are so few to use - Whatever.

She said half - tens of millions of people.

Yes she apologized. I was deeply moved, almost brought to tears. Nothing looks more like a sincere apology, than a politician apologizing for a scripted remark that the polls show bombers. It just reeks of sincerity and authenticity.

So few insults to use against her? I’d get carpel tunnel syndrome before I scratched the surface.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

She said half - tens of millions of people.

Yes she apologized. I was deeply moved, almost brought to tears. Nothing looks more like a sincere apology, than a politician apologizing for a scripted remark that the polls show bombers. It just reeks of sincerity and authenticity. Far better than Trump who won't appologize for anything.

So few insults to use against her? I’d get carpel tunnel syndrome before I scratched the surface.
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Let's have a little contest. I'll donate a $1 for every insult Clinton made and you donate $.25 for every insult Trump made and we'll net the 2 and the proceeds can be donated to charity.

[Pete F.]

Here’s a start
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...r-insults.html
Then you can go to his public appearances
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here’s a start
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...r-insults.html
Then you can go to his public appearances
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How many time do you think Clinton was called the C word at Trump's rallys?

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Let's have a little contest. I'll donate a $1 for every insult Clinton made and you donate $.25 for every insult Trump made and we'll net the 2 and the proceeds can be donated to charity.

Not sure he can afford it even with his bigger paycheck.

Should read he comments above again, ignore for a moment exactly how big the deplorable bucket is and Clinton was exactly right.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many time do you think Clinton was called the C word at Trump's rallys?

In retrospect, she prob. was not called it at all given how upset the Repubs are its use.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many time do you think Clinton was called the C word at Trump's rallys?

A lot.

How many times was Ben Carson called the n-word at democrat rallies? Probably a lot.

I'm talking about the behavior of people ta the top. And group with tens of millions of people in it, is going to have bad people. That says nothing about the group, unless the group is provoking the bad behavior.

Trump does some of that, I would bet he's responsible for some barroom brawls. Al Sharptons words have put multiple innocent bystanders in the grave, and the left gives him his own TV show.

People see it, Paul. It's why Trump got elected, and it's why under obama's watch the democrats took an historic drubbing at all levels, it's exactly why the GOP controls the oval office, both houses of congress, and a huge majority of state governorships and legislatures. The proof is in the pudding.

The only reason why the left matters right now, is because they control the media and academia, and they were brilliant to seize those institutions. Absolutely brilliant. They may prevail because of it. As of now, they have a long, LONG way to go.

Republicans want to talk about the merits of their ideas, because they are confident their ideas are the right ideas. Democrats want to call us all racist, that's their go-to response. It's the last play of the desperate.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Let's have a little contest. I'll donate a $1 for every insult Clinton made and you donate $.25 for every insult Trump made and we'll net the 2 and the proceeds can be donated to charity.

I don't doubt I'd lose that bet between those two.

But if you extended that bet to cover all politicians, all influential talking heads in the media, and college campuses? I'd be a trillionaire.

Paul, when Bush destroyed the democrats by implementing the Surge (which the Dems opposed, and which worked amazingly well, which made them look like idiots), that's when the democrats stopped talking like adults, and started hitting below the belt. It started with Bush Derangement Syndrome, and continued through the 2008 and 2012 elections.

The Democrats are very good at slinging mud and at yellow journalism, it propelled them to victory in 08 and 12. So it's no surprise that the GOP found someone who is quite at home fighting dirty, and who is what better at it than they are.

He is beating them, clobbering them, at their own game. And they are going berserk, because they have nothing left. If Trump woke up and said "two plus two is four", the entire media would say "the hell it is!!" That's how crazy they are.

The results speak for themselves, in terms of political victories and TV ratings. Couldn't be more clear.

Look at what liberalism has done to our state's economy. And the democrats want to raise taxes and spend more. Even in CT, people are waking up. The democrats lead in the house has decreased from 60+ seats to 7, and the senate is tied, and Malloy is a national laughingstock.

Compare that to Nashville and the Carolinas, where they literally cannot build $450,000 houses fast enough. People see it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How many times was Ben Carson called the n-word at democrat rallies? Probably a lot.

I'd be astounded if it happened once.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd be astounded if it happened once.

I would lay money it happened many times at rallies during the primaries.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure he can afford it even with his bigger paycheck.

Should read he comments above again, ignore for a moment exactly how big the deplorable bucket is and Clinton was exactly right.

If you want to target the worst 1% or 2%, sure. Half? Nope.

Again, take the abortion issue. It's a whole lot easier to paint me as anti-woman, or anti-choice (which is beyond absurd), than it is to look at a hi-def ultrasound, and tell me that I'm not looking ta a human being.

When you are wrong on the facts and you know it, you avoid the truth like the plague, and sling mud.

The conservative platform:
life is precious

individual freedom is sacred

individuals are almost always responsible for their actions

charity for neighbors in need

strong national defense

support the free market, and the economic upward mobility it provides, which is a gift from God

fiscal responsibility

limited government, protection of individual rights

You can't make that wrong, you just can't. So you demonize it, again and again and again, until people assume it's true, but no one can explain why. If you ask why it's evil to believe these things, the answer you get is "because shut up!"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd be astounded if it happened once.

I'm sure you would be.

Spence, why did your party get its azz so resoundingly kicked, at all levels, during the Obama years?

Lemme guess...racism? Hate? Or was it because people like me got tired of being slandered, tired of being painted so dishonestly?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm sure you would be.

Spence, why did your party get its azz so resoundingly kicked, at all levels, during the Obama years?

Lemme guess...racism? Hate? Or was it because people like me got tired of being slandered, tired of being painted so dishonestly?

You mean those years where the Democratic Party held the presidency for two terms, the Senate more than half the time and a higher number of Governors more than half the time?

Yes, resoundingly kicked in deed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You mean those years where the Democratic Party held the presidency for two terms, the Senate more than half the time and a higher number of Governors more than half the time?

Yes, resoundingly kicked in deed.

The democrats lost almost 1,000 seats (at the national, state, and local level) during his 8 years. I see you left out state legislatures and the house of representatives, can't imagine why. I guess those don't matter...

[Sea Dangles]

It's quite amusing watching Jim slap around the circle jerk crew. A tired but decided beating but they lead with the chin.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The democrats lost almost 1,000 seats (at the national, state, and local level) during his 8 years. I see you left out state legislatures and the house of representatives, can't imagine why. I guess those don't matter...

House was flat. As for local stuff I see you're not posting any data.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

House was flat. As for local stuff I see you're not posting any data.

Dems controlled the house after the 2008 election, and had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. I have no idea what you are talking about, you're just making up jibberish now.

"I see you're not posting any data'

Even as biased as you are, I assumed you already knew this. But OK...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...loundered.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...der-obama.html

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...egislatures-o/


https://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/46905...ency-heres-why

Here's a quote from the above NPR article, is that too right wing for you?

"Every president sees his party lose hundreds of positions — it's the price a party holding the White House pays — but no president has come close to Obama. During Obama's eight years in office, the Democrats have lost more House, Senate, state legislative and governors seats than under any other president.

When Obama took office, there were 60 Democratic senators; now there are 46. The number of House seats held by Democrats has shrunk from 257 to 188.

There are now nine fewer Democratic governors than in 2009. Democrats currently hold fewer elected offices nationwide than at any time since the 1920s."

Spence, you said the house seats were flat under Obama, NPR says the democrats dropped from 257 to 188. I don't know how good or bad you are at math, but in your world, does 257 = 188??


Have fun with that. And the NPR stats DON'T take into account the 2018 thumping.

Not your best showing Spence, not your best showing...

[Sea Dangles]

TKO🥊
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

TKO🥊
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visions of Tyson putting his mouth guard in backwards after getting walloped by Buster Douglas

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many time do you think Clinton was called the C word at Trump's rallys?

"CRIMINAL"?.....probably quite often

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

visions of Tyson putting his mouth guard in backwards after getting walloped by Buster Douglas

c'mon...Spence....don't let them push you around like this...put on your pink hat and get back out there and make a fight of it!!!!