What does it take to be an effective president

[Pete F.]

The paper is not about policy, though I am sure the authors views may have colored it somewhat one way or another, but about what qualities make an effective president.
He lists 6 qualities that he considered.
It was written in the last Bush administration.
What do you think Obama and Trumps weaknesses and strengths are in these categories? Not looking at their Policies.
It's not a test and you don't have to answer, but it is an important thing to think about as a voter.
Effectiveness as a Public Communicator
Organizational Capacity
Political Skill
Vision
Cognitive Style
Emotional Intelligence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The paper is not about policy, though I am sure the authors views may have colored it somewhat one way or another, but about what qualities make an effective president.
He lists 6 qualities that he considered.
It was written in the last Bush administration.
What do you think Obama and Trumps weaknesses and strengths are in these categories? Not looking at their Policies.
It's not a test and you don't have to answer, but it is an important thing to think about as a voter.
Effectiveness as a Public Communicator
Organizational Capacity
Political Skill
Vision
Cognitive Style
Emotional Intelligence

Are any of these things anywhere near as important, as policy?

Trump's political skill is beyond measure, otherwise Hilary would be POTUS. The biggest jerk ever, beat (crushed) the most inevitable candidate ever.

Trump maybe has the lowest emotional intelligence (whatever that is) ever, but who cares. I mean he's embarrassing, but I'd rather have an effective jerk than a decent guy who is clueless.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Are any of these things anywhere near as important, as policy?

Trump's political skill is beyond measure, otherwise Hilary would be POTUS. The biggest jerk ever, beat (crushed) the most inevitable candidate ever.

Trump maybe has the lowest emotional intelligence (whatever that is) ever, but who cares. I mean he's embarrassing, but I'd rather have an effective jerk than a decent guy who is clueless.

You could have the greatest policy in the world but history won't care if it only is in thought.
Political skill is more than getting elected.
You need to be able to get enough of a group to be able to enact thru legislation the things you want and not give up too much. If you don't get the legislation the next guy can wipe your work off the board. Look at the last president.
Here's a definition for you, success however is always subject to definition.
e·mo·tion·al in·tel·li·gence
noun
the capacity to be aware of, control, and express one's emotions, and to handle interpersonal relationships judiciously and empathetically.
"emotional intelligence is the key to both personal and professional success"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You could have the greatest policy in the world but history won't care if it only is in thought.
Political skill is more than getting elected.
You need to be able to get enough of a group to be able to enact thru legislation the things you want and not give up too much. If you don't get the legislation the next guy can wipe your work off the board. Look at the last president.
Here's a definition for you, success however is always subject to definition.
e·mo·tion·al in·tel·li·gence
noun
the capacity to be aware of, control, and express one's emotions, and to handle interpersonal relationships judiciously and empathetically.
"emotional intelligence is the key to both personal and professional success"

Ok for Gods sake, if something isn't implemented it's not policy, it's an idea. If it makes you feel better, I mean "implemented policy" is a million times more important than the soft skills you listed.

"Political skill is more than getting elected"

agreed. He also brought the NFL and ESPN to their knees, got Neil Gosrich confirmed, is helping the economy roll along, has terrorists on the run, got hos tax cuts passed.

"You need to be able to get enough of a group to be able to enact thru legislation the things you want "

That's obviously true, and it's equally obvious that he has that, it's not like everything he wants to do is getting blocked. He's doing a lot.

"emotional intelligence is the key to both personal and professional success"

well Trump is a billionaire, married to a hottie, who defied the odds and crushed the favorite candidate to get elected POTUS. So if emotional intelligence is "the" key to success, then he must have emotional intelligence coming out of his ears.

He's not a good guy, but he's a success by any definition.

In my opinion, "emotional intelligence" is the bullsh*t term-de-jour of human resources folks and motivational speakers who want to get paid to try to convince us that it's "the" key to success., and only they can help us harness the power of "the" key to success.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Trump's political skill is beyond measure, otherwise Hilary would be POTUS. The biggest jerk ever, beat (crushed) the most inevitable candidate ever.

He is good at inciting anger. He beat the most hated candidate ever. There are plenty of people here and all over america who would never vote for her no matter what. That is not political skill beyond measure. You are demonstrating your math skills again when you say he crushed her. 45 of 58 of presidential elections were won by larger margins in the electoral college (that is 77.6% were won by more; his victory is in the bottom 1/4 of all margins) and he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

He is good at inciting anger. He beat the most hated candidate ever. There are plenty of people here and all over america who would never vote for her no matter what. That is not political skill beyond measure. You are demonstrating your math skills again when you say he crushed her. 45 of 58 of presidential elections were won by larger margins in the electoral college (that is 77.6% were won by more; his victory is in the bottom 1/4 of all margins) and he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

He’s good at angering the other side. You’re telling me that republicans are angrier than democrats? I’ll ask for the 25th time, when was the last time you saw a politically motivated riot, started by republicans? We don’t have much to be angry at at the moment, unless you live in the People’s Republic Of Connecticut.

And he crushed her, it wasn’t close. He didn’t win by a nose.

What’s on display is your inability to accept that which doesn’t serve your personal agenda.

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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He’s good at angering the other side. You’re telling me that republicans are angrier than democrats? I’ll ask for the 25th time, when was the last time you saw a politically motivated riot, started by republicans? We don’t have much to be angry at at the moment, unless you live in the People’s Republic Of Connecticut.

And he crushed her, it wasn’t close. He didn’t win by a nose.

What’s on display is your inability to accept that which doesn’t serve your personal agenda.

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he crushed her? She won the popular vote...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

he crushed her? She won the popular vote...

And according to the tally that actually matters, he clobbered her. He devised a campaign strategy around getting electoral votes. She, perhaps never having bothered to learn how a presidential election works, spent all her time in NYC and CA which she was going to win anyway. She spent almost no time in places like Wisconsin. Too many deplorables, I guess.

If the popular vote mattered a frog's fat ass, Trump would have campaigned differently, who knows how it would have tuned out. We cannot know. What we do know, is that as far as electoral math goes, it wasn't close.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And according to the tally that actually matters, he clobbered her. .

Clobbered her by less than almost all other candidates clobbered there opponents. I guess if that makes you feel better...
If 0.6% of the vote in Florida and 0.35 % of the vote in pa flipped, she wins.
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