Trump to meet with Putin

[JohnR]

This has generally been my big beef with Trump - and was long before the election. But we need hard proof. No amount of "Resistance" will change that.

I resent that the Dems of the last 20 years are only now getting tough on Russia and only because it hurts Trump.

There is a lot of gray, the NatSec folks did good work and some of them did sh!tty work. Some of them made bad decisions. I sure as hell hope we can come back from it. Higher ups from last admin effed this up as much as the current crew are doing - actually the current crew, the serious ones, are doing better. Just the HMFIC is the problem.

Grossly Negligent.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump and the Fable of the snake. A boy saw a rattle snake who convinced him he was different not like other snakes if the boy carried him to the valley .. He did as the snake asked .. once there the snake coiled and bit him. he was shocked and ask the snake why he had bitten him??

The snake said You knew what I was when you picked me up !! and slithered away

we all knew what Trump was on election day...

cant act surprised or outraged we are way past that

And yet another example of ho hum. The Dems ran Hillary, a candidate so terrible, people voted for Trump in enough districts for her to lose.

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

There is no way Bama let's any meddling happen on his watch
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Obama sucks. He might be a better man the Trump but he had the opportunity to put this to bed back then and did not. He had the chance to put our Intel Services to fight this and he did squat.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Obama sucks. He might be a better man the Trump but he had the opportunity to put this to bed back then and did not. He had the chance to put our Intel Services to fight this and he did squat.

I met you long ago at a meet up at m and d's and respect you for what you have provided with the site, but you are dead wrong. Obama was always doing what he thought was best for the country. Same for Bush 1 and maybe even Reagan. Trump is treasonous and only does what he thinks is best for him. Anyone who still supports him can go to Guantanamo as a threat to the Homeland for the next decade or so as far as I am concerned. You say Obama's foreign policy was a disaster. This guy is legitimately the most dangerous thing to happen to our country in the 4 decades I have been alive.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I met you long ago at a meet up at m and d's and respect you for what you have provided with the site, but you are dead wrong. Obama was always doing what he thought was best for the country. Same for Bush 1 and maybe even Reagan. Trump is treasonous and only does what he thinks is best for him. Anyone who still supports him can go to Guantanamo as a threat to the Homeland for the next decade or so as far as I am concerned. You say Obama's foreign policy was a disaster. This guy is legitimately the most dangerous thing to happen to our country in the 4 decades I have been alive.
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someone has been watching way too much MSNBC

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

someone has been watching way too much MSNBC

Or Fox
https://youtu.be/7rJ9LCHxi8o
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by scottw

someone has been watching way too much MSNBC

Haven't seen a TV in more than a week, luckily.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I met you long ago at a meet up at m and d's and respect you for what you have provided with the site, but you are dead wrong. Obama was always doing what he thought was best for the country. Same for Bush 1 and maybe even Reagan. Trump is treasonous and only does what he thinks is best for him. Anyone who still supports him can go to Guantanamo as a threat to the Homeland for the next decade or so as far as I am concerned. You say Obama's foreign policy was a disaster. This guy is legitimately the most dangerous thing to happen to our country in the 4 decades I have been alive.
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I wonder if PaulS thinks Jim in CT has said anything more hateful than this.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Obama sucks. He might be a better man the Trump but he had the opportunity to put this to bed back then and did not. He had the chance to put our Intel Services to fight this and he did squat.

Originally Posted by zimmy

I met you long ago at a meet up at m and d's and respect you for what you have provided with the site, but you are dead wrong. Obama was always doing what he thought was best for the country.

Who was President when all this hacking and election meddling was occurring?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Who was President when all this hacking and election meddling was occurring?

I've heard his rationalization for not trying to put an end to it and it's a lame excuse, Obama had a duty to our country to stop the attacks regardless of the appearances. Like Trump, his base is ALWAYS looking backwards, blaming or rationalizing the actions of this clown, by comparing them to actions or inaction's of past administrations.

The base and vocal Trump supporters need to grow a pair and call a spade a spade. I think to catch the country and the man who ordered it red handed and to stand in front of the world not only say you believe Putin and Russia didn't hack, but to throw your intelligence community under the buss, is just wrong to say it mildly.

Trump is dangling on the ends of strings, being played by Putin, puppet and poodle.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Obama sucks. He might be a better man the Trump but he had the opportunity to put this to bed back then and did not. He had the chance to put our Intel Services to fight this and he did squat.

great point

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

this would make a great tee shirt....

also

trump is more fun than waterboarding

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

There is no way Bama let's any meddling happen on his watch
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Spence asked you something - did you see it?

[Sea Dangles]

Thanks John, nice response to a misguided attack.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thanks John, nice response to a misguided attack.
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I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo . Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions.

Most presidential rankings I've seen put Obama in the low teens, some even top ten.

Trump right now is in Harding territory.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo . Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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You mean like Bernie?

PS - I was not feeling so much a victim of attack. I do think Obama is not in the top 20, let alone Besty Evahhh. I gave my reasoning for this.

[JohnR]

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

If the IC or Mueller determines that Trump IS under Putin's thumb - AND CAN PROVE IT - than we have something we need to follow.

I've stated before I do not like how T gets all meek around VVP and this is one of my biggest concerns.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

Doesn't meet the standard for Treason but he certainly could pass the bar for impeachment. Indictments have been handed out and Trump is impeding prosecution of the law against his oath to defend the Constution. Clinton was impeached for far, far less.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

If the IC or Mueller determines that Trump IS under Putin's thumb - AND CAN PROVE IT - than we have something we need to follow.

I've stated before I do not like how T gets all meek around VVP and this is one of my biggest concerns.

It is a betrayal of the country. It gives aid and comfort to an enemy. It puts a foreign entity above the country. True, it is not to an enforceable standard. 9/11 was an outside entity attacking us and the country was united against it. This is the most powerful person in the world, with support of 30-40 percent of the country, aligning with a modern dictator over crimes against our democracy. It will be a full chapter in the history books in twenty years.
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[Sea Dangles]

Very misguided
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

A) did you read what the comment was in response too.
B) I’m far removed from his “Base”. I didn’t vote for the man, or the woman for that matter.
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Dude - yer my Spirit Animal

Originally Posted by spence

The significant election meddling wasn't even brought to Obama's attention until the summer of 2016. It's not like they have real-time visibility into everything that's going on and it's not like there was no response. Obama did choose to delay some of the response until after the election to not create an even bigger election issue. Neither option was ideal so they drew a moderate line. I don't have an issue with that.

Regardless, what's even the point? Much larger issue is we have a national security apparatus insisting Russia will do it again and a POTUS who still denies it ever occurred.

And it a problem with the previous administration for one reason, and a problem for the current administration in another.

Gee - wish we had some warning on whom would be our number one geopolitical foe.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Gee - wish we had some warning on whom would be our number one geopolitical foe.

Yea, Obama took office and instructed the gov to cease all counter intelligence operations around Russia. It's a wonder how we even detected it in the first place. Good thing special agent McBiff wondered why that BLM meme kept on showing up in his facebook feed.

I think people have watched so many movies they think we have super powers, minority report kind of stuff. We're good yes, but you can't unhack something.

[Pete F.]

Now Trump will slowly walk it back
Watch his tweets, he’s started already
Mr it’s all me
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now Trump will slowly walk it back
Watch his tweets, he’s started already
Mr it’s all me
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The tragic irony is that Trump supporters say they like him because he's a tough guy and stands up for America. Yet in front of Putin he's a lapdog and betrays his own nation.

[detbuch]

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

In August 2014 Binney was among the signatories of an open letter by the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to German chancellor Angela Merkel in which they urged the Chancellor to be suspicious of U.S. intelligence regarding the alleged invasion of Russia in Eastern Ukraine.[19][20][21] In the open letter, the group said:

[A]ccusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.[20]

guess Russia never invade they did

Binney claims the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election is false, and that the DNC e-mails were leaked by an insider instead

On January 23, 2018, Binney made an appearance on the Infowars During the show, host Alex Jones announced that Binney had been able to provide him with the actual memo, and the purported leaked document was shown on air.[27] However, this was in fact a public document that had been available on the website of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence since at least May 2017.

should we take him seriously no but some one has

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

In August 2014 Binney was among the signatories of an open letter by the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to German chancellor Angela Merkel in which they urged the Chancellor to be suspicious of U.S. intelligence regarding the alleged invasion of Russia in Eastern Ukraine.[19][20][21] In the open letter, the group said:

[A]ccusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.[20]

guess Russia never invade they did

Binney claims the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election is false, and that the DNC e-mails were leaked by an insider instead

On January 23, 2018, Binney made an appearance on the Infowars During the show, host Alex Jones announced that Binney had been able to provide him with the actual memo, and the purported leaked document was shown on air.[27] However, this was in fact a public document that had been available on the website of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence since at least May 2017.

should we take him seriously no but some one has

Did you watch the video?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Did you watch the video?

If it’s on video that makes it true
Next you’ll be saying the twin towers was fake
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If it’s on video that makes it true
Next you’ll be saying the twin towers was fake
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Did you watch the video?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

That I don't have an hour to watch it ; )

At least not yet anyway

[spence]

Good god, they shot down a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing passenger aircraft.
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