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07-24-2018, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
An important distinction, Muslims here are doing a good job of assimilating. Not in Europe, where they want to set up places in their new countries, that look and operate like their old countries. That's a problem.
Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is awesome. Multiculturalism, isn't. Someone said "immigration without assimilation, is an invasion". That's not that far off.
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Many who claim they (immigrants ) dont Assimilate .. Feel Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is not awesome. Multiculturalism, is even worse. And any immigration is an invasion..
But what is Assimilation to theses people? Who don't understand the term or how it even works or what it looks like ....
what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable??
How does an Immigrant Assimilate thats acceptable in America Today ??
The current climate: I feel the answer is anywhere . But here! |
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07-24-2018, 09:33 AM
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Many who claim they (immigrants ) dont Assimilate .. Feel Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is not awesome. Multiculturalism, is even worse. And any immigration is an invasion..
But what is Assimilation to theses people? Who don't understand the term or how it even works or what it looks like ....
what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable??
How does an Immigrant Assimilate thats acceptable in America Today ??
The current climate: I feel the answer is anywhere . But here!
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"And any immigration is an invasion"
Who is saying that legal immigration, done by people willing to assimilate, is bad? Who?
"what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable?? "
FFS, look it up in the dictionary.
As far as Muslims go, it means letting girls go to school instead of enslaving them, not forcing them to dress like ninjas if they don't want to, and accepting duly constituted civil laws even when they conflict with your religion. Embracing the culture of your new country, instead of wanting to incinerate everyone who embraces that culture, would also be a good start. |
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07-24-2018, 05:18 AM
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Way too many generalizations in that to even bother with. You wanna go down the road of the Catholic priests and make generalizations? There are problems with every group that involves humans. When you say it goes to the core of being Muslim, that reflects on you, not Islam.
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the homosexual predators who became priests, did not seduce boys in the name of catholicism, they were not motivated to do so, by catholicism. as they fondled young boys, they didn’t cry out that jesus is great.
there is one religion, one, that cultivates large numbers of people willing to commit atrocities in the name of that religion. there is a reason why that is. you can ignore that if you want, but if your beliefs require you to ignore facts and empirical evidence, it might be time to get some new beliefs.
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07-24-2018, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
the homosexual predators who became priests, did not seduce boys in the name of catholicism, they were not motivated to do so, by catholicism. as they fondled young boys, they didn’t cry out that jesus is great.
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No, they used the trust created by the church as a tool to commit those acts. The tremendous power of the leadership of the church from parish to Rome, given by the church and parishioners, created a safe haven for those criminals to assault thousands of children. Muslim extremists distort Islam for their purposes. Obviously there is a connection between Islam and terrorism that can't be ignored. You are right that Muslims wanting to create countries in countries is a problem. It is interesting you say Muslims here are doing a good job assimilating since the Republican party platform is that we need to keep them out because they don't assimilate.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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07-24-2018, 09:24 AM
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the Republican party platform is that we need to keep them out because they don't assimilate.
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huh?? |
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07-24-2018, 03:06 PM
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huh??
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This is from a Fox news interview about a Muslim ban. Let me know if you need more clarification
On Fox News, Trump said this of Muslims who immigrate to the United States: "Assimilation has been very hard. It's almost — I won't say nonexistent, but it gets to be pretty close. And I'm talking about second and third generation. They come — they don't — for some reason, there's no real assimilation."
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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07-23-2018, 10:29 PM
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In most cities cab drivers are guests. Usually they smell like curry .
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07-24-2018, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
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No it is not.
And no one has been demonized more than Trump. A good portion of it is fair and accurate. A good portion of it is not. |
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07-24-2018, 02:04 PM
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Republican, not a Trumplican, short for Trump Supplicant
I've said plenty of times Trump already gives himself more credit than he's due.
You've sold your children's future, put your values away and what did you get for it?
A camper
Two Supreme Court picks
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07-24-2018, 05:31 PM
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Republican, not a Trumplican, short for Trump Supplicant
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wouldn't that be a Trumplicant ? |
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07-24-2018, 05:34 PM
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wouldn't that be a Trumplicant ?
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No, he has it right. |
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07-24-2018, 04:22 PM
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Sounds like an opinion
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07-25-2018, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
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A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month
A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month
A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month
yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall
Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America
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07-25-2018, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month
A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month
A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month
yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall
Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America
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I bet the mother in NC, would say that another $100 in her pocket every month, isn't crumbs. It's taking the kids mini golfing or to the movies, two more times a month.
The good thing is, we'll soon see how single moms in NC view that tax cut, we will see who they vote for in a coupe of months, so the speculation will end.
The business tax cuts are also helping regular people. Unemployment is down, companies are instantly more profitable, and thus jobs a bit more secure. That's not nothing. Not in my opinion. But I'm not fanatically focused on promoting an anti-Trump agenda, I just go where common sense and the facts take me. Thanks to the corporate tax cuts, many businesses are instantly more profitable. That's good not only for the business owners, but for the employees. We don't all work on plantations anymore. There are a lot of generous companies out there., who are investing in growth, raising minimum wages, giving bonuses, etc... |
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07-25-2018, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I bet the mother in NC, would say that another $100 in her pocket every month, isn't crumbs. It's taking the kids mini golfing or to the movies, two more times a month.
The good thing is, we'll soon see how single moms in NC view that tax cut, we will see who they vote for in a coupe of months, so the speculation will end.
The business tax cuts are also helping regular people. Unemployment is down, companies are instantly more profitable, and thus jobs a bit more secure. That's not nothing. Not in my opinion. But I'm not fanatically focused on promoting an anti-Trump agenda, I just go where common sense and the facts take me. Thanks to the corporate tax cuts, many businesses are instantly more profitable. That's good not only for the business owners, but for the employees. We don't all work on plantations anymore. There are a lot of generous companies out there., who are investing in growth, raising minimum wages, giving bonuses, etc...
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A single mother in North Carolina making less than $ 40,000 will save will save about $650. a month
A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 save more than $13,000. 1083 a month
A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than save $ 1,300 next year. wow 108 a month
If the taxes went this way see above we would be in agreement ... this would be great for America the single mother and middle class family would have real disposable money they could spend save or re invest and the business guy falls into a movie and mini golf and should be happy he gets a tax break  |
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07-25-2018, 06:45 AM
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It’s the deficit, not crumbs
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter, below 2017’s pace, and considerably less than in 2014 and 2015:
This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. By this point, almost all economists recognize that income tax cuts no longer stimulate the economy enough to reduce deficits, as supply-siders thought they would back in the 1980s. But economists still held out some hope that lowering the corporate tax, which is believed to be more harmful than the personal income tax, would have a more salutary effect on the budget. Unfortunately, that hope appears to be fading, as fiscal deficits increase rapidly.
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07-25-2018, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
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This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. .
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That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.
Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore? |
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07-25-2018, 08:30 AM
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That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.
Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore?
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You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO |
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07-25-2018, 11:08 AM
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[QUOTE=Pete F.;1147356]
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter
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Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.
Because (1) the economy is soaring, and (2) democrats can't bring themselves to admit that...the democrats are getting more and more creative/extreme in terms of economic "improvements" that they will bring to the table, like "free" tuition, a guaranteed income, and unicorns that poop gold and pee milk shakes.
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07-25-2018, 12:00 PM
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Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.
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The GDP numbers are going to be very high, mostly fueled by companies stockpiling goods and materials to avoid paying higher prices due to the tariffs.
It's not spin, it's all in the numbers.
Of course Trump is going to take another victory lap and you'll once again fail to see beyond your nose.
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07-25-2018, 12:11 PM
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1147405]
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And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter
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Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.
Because (1) the economy is soaring, and (2) democrats can't bring themselves to admit that...the democrats are getting more and more creative/extreme in terms of economic "improvements" that they will bring to the table, like "free" tuition, a guaranteed income, and unicorns that poop gold and pee milk shakes.
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Soaring?
Remember this is a country, not a real estate deal, you need good longterm policy, not just a great meeting.
Lots of people in my industry who have concerns, do you think this is a liberal publication?
https://www.constructionequipment.co...13&bid=2184490
Meanwhile Bernie and the chick from Queens had thousands attend a rally in flyover land that promoted the things that obviously scare you most.
Healthcare
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07-25-2018, 09:33 AM
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There is a lot of passion on both sides, that's a good thing. It means people care.
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07-25-2018, 10:24 AM
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Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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07-25-2018, 10:39 AM
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Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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07-25-2018, 10:53 PM
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That was a complete jackhat move. It isn't unique to one side for someone to be that big of a jackhat but that is pathetic.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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07-25-2018, 10:41 AM
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Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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Black unemployment has never been lower. If he's a racist, he's apparently not a very good racist.
Hilary, in a prepared speech, called half the country deplorable, irredeemable, racists, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. Why isn't that as bad as anything Trump has ever said?
When Trump bashes those who disagree with him, he gets called out for it - as he should.
When Obama ("Republicans gotta stop just hatin' all the time") or Hilary do the same thing, they get a pass. Why? Because they are more polished and articulate? Is the delivery more important than the message? I don't think so. |
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07-26-2018, 07:18 AM
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Jim,
I've worked with guys like Trump
Identify a problem
Blow it up as much as possible and tell everyone you have a problem.
Piss everyone off
The problem gets solved, they always do
Run around telling everyone they solved the problem and they should be praised
Other guys would just solve the problem in cooperation with the others involved.
Then I solicit pricing from the subs or suppliers involved and they say who's the PM, if it's him I don't want anything to do with it or I'm adding.
Not the way to manage effectively longterm, but it is certainly Baby Donny Bonespurs method
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