GDP growth for the second quarter was +4.1%, second highest in 15 years

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hahaha ; )

I am more Libertarian but sadly cannot trust enough of the populace to handle a libertarian society - they just can't ; )

Yes - some basic views of Tea Party; low taxes, low intrusion by Gov, let others be, that overlap, that intersection, is where I would like to see things.

I like some of what Obama did but I am critical of other things. Not sure I moved right much. I know the left moved (and is moving) more left.

Ohhh, and clearly fighting stuff like the straw ban is a near RW militia view ; )

I didn't know you were fighting a straw ban. It is nuts that so many straws are used and end up in the ocean that it had come to this. Just like the populace can't handle libertarian society, it also can't handle making intelligent decisions about waste and waste management. That left enough for you?
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[Sea Dangles]

They also can't handle soft drinks,is that stupid enough too?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I didn't know you were fighting a straw ban. It is nuts that so many straws are used and end up in the ocean that it had come to this. Just like the populace can't handle libertarian society, it also can't handle making intelligent decisions about waste and waste management. That left enough for you?
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I throw my trash away, would you believe, in trash barrels. I recycle when it is the right thing to do. I am willing to bet you do too

We'll be at 30 trillion in debt in another decade but golly gee, we won't have plastic straws

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I throw my trash away, would you believe, in trash barrels. I recycle when it is the right thing to do. I am willing to bet you do too

We'll be at 30 trillion in debt in another decade but golly gee, we won't have plastic straws

There are 9 billion tons of plastic going in the ocean each year. It is calculated that there are 8 billion straws on the world's shorelines. They aren't recyclable, they aren't necessary, there are alternatives. The ones you use might end up in the trash, but there are 500 million used per day in this country and lots of those don't get in the trash and lots that do still end up in water ways. It is a simple fix to a major problem.Much easier than fixing the budget. I do trash them but I also haven't used one unless it was put in my cup without asking me in probably 20 years. I worry more about the affects of plastic on marine ecosystems than I do about someone's straw for their cup of Sprite.
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[Sea Dangles]

Oh my

Zimmy is on to something.🤡
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

They also can't handle soft drinks,is that stupid enough too?
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My personal favorite is how they want to change the voting age to 16 because kids are so much smarter these days, but want to raise the smoking age to 21 because kids just arent that smart at 18

[Sea Dangles]

My #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& sister in law thinks we should ban cars that can exceed 75mph
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

There are 9 billion tons of plastic going in the ocean each year. It is calculated that there are 8 billion straws on the world's shorelines. They aren't recyclable, they aren't necessary, there are alternatives. The ones you use might end up in the trash, but there are 500 million used per day in this country and lots of those don't get in the trash and lots that do still end up in water ways. It is a simple fix to a major problem.Much easier than fixing the budget. I do trash them but I also haven't used one unless it was put in my cup without asking me in probably 20 years. I worry more about the affects of plastic on marine ecosystems than I do about someone's straw for their cup of Sprite.
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US Plastic Straws - a terrible terrible gross mismanagement of the world ecosystem.



Linky: http://www.northeastern.edu/rugglesm...e-should-know/

Now it really is a problem, but a small one. It is TERRIBLY effective as fuel for the OutrageMachine, for both sides.

Next you won't be able to meltdown your straws in order to print an AR15 with a highcapacity semiautoclip.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

US Plastic Straws - a terrible terrible gross mismanagement of the world ecosystem.



Linky: http://www.northeastern.edu/rugglesm...e-should-know/

Now it really is a problem, but a small one. It is TERRIBLY effective as fuel for the OutrageMachine, for both sides.

Next you won't be able to meltdown your straws in order to print an AR15 with a highcapacity semiautoclip.

How much of China's mismanaged plastic originated in other nations?

[The Dad Fisherman]

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

How much of China's mismanaged plastic originated in other nations?

So other nations have to be penalized for China's mismanagement? I don't think we want to go down that road.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So other nations have to be penalized for China's mismanagement? I don't think we want to go down that road.

I read that as we are in the top 20 of plastic pollution. There are 195 countries so we are in the top 10% of contributors. Because china is worse we should ignore it? Seems like a pretty low standard to set. Outrage machine? The outraged seem to be all the children crying in the street over the fact that they won't get a straw at McDonald's. Never mind, I haven't seen that. Without this forum, I wouldn't have known anyone would be outraged.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I read that as we are in the top 20 of plastic pollution. There are 195 countries so we are in the top 10% of contributors. Because china is worse we should ignore it? Seems like a pretty low standard to set. Outrage machine? The outraged seem to be all the children crying in the street over the fact that they won't get a straw at McDonald's. Never mind, I haven't seen that. Without this forum, I wouldn't have known anyone would be outraged.
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I guess some just can't comprehend that it isn't really about the straws, its about the Ban.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Funny. But, and I am sure the faux news types won't tell you this, straws aren't banned outright in the places that have done it. It is a restaurant and bar ban. That little girl can take her straw anywhere she wants. Like they used to say at the end of gi Joe, knowing is half the battle.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I guess some just can't comprehend that it isn't really about the straws, its about the Ban.

I know that is what it is about for some of you. Poor personal freedom infringed now if you go to Seattle they won't stick a plastic straw in your soda without asking like they did last year. What is this world coming to?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

How much of China's mismanaged plastic originated in other nations?

Dunno - persoanlly I think it should bre recycled and ground here and then reused.

How much of the world's mismanaged plastic originated from China?

But going with your premise - how far do you want to go back with the plastic? To the middle East as oil / petroleum products? Dinosaurs? This is a good point - let's ban Dinosaurs and other Prehistoric Flora and Fauna For Little Sally's straw ; )

Originally Posted by zimmy

Funny. But, and I am sure the faux news types won't tell you this, straws aren't banned outright in the places that have done it. It is a restaurant and bar ban. That little girl can take her straw anywhere she wants. Like they used to say at the end of gi Joe, knowing is half the battle.
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The whole entire notion is ludicrous, that banning of straws anywhere will truly curtail the plastioceanic gyres that blight the oceans.

Want to fight pollution? Fine the people polluting. There are existing laws for this, rarely enforced. Start there.

Originally Posted by zimmy

I read that as we are in the top 20 of plastic pollution. There are 195 countries so we are in the top 10% of contributors. Because china is worse we should ignore it? Seems like a pretty low standard to set. Outrage machine? The outraged seem to be all the children crying in the street over the fact that they won't get a straw at McDonald's. Never mind, I haven't seen that. Without this forum, I wouldn't have known anyone would be outraged.
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And by the above NEU study we are 1/20th what the leading producer of tonnes of plastic pollution. If you add all other 175 producers we probably 1/30th of total plastipollution. But Santa Barbara will feel good they did something goshdarnit ; )

Someone needs to print a Rascinate out of recycled Plastic Straws, next to their AR15

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Funny. But, and I am sure the faux news types won't tell you this, straws aren't banned outright in the places that have done it. It is a restaurant and bar ban. That little girl can take her straw anywhere she wants. Like they used to say at the end of gi Joe, knowing is half the battle.
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Its not like the restaurants got together and said, this is a good idea, lets do it. The city councils are directing them to do it. Government taking time out of their busy days to legislate....straws...because......Turtles. Glad you're OK with that. Explains a lot

Glad to see that everything you learned in life you learned from GI Joe....explains even more.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

But going with your premise - how far do you want to go back with the plastic? To the middle East as oil / petroleum products? Dinosaurs? This is a good point - let's ban Dinosaurs and other Prehistoric Flora and Fauna For Little Sally's straw ; )

I think the Democratic Senators from California are in the process of introducing a bill called "The Extinct Species Protection Act" in the hopes of sustaining the numbers of all species currently listed as Extinct. Keeping these numbers at a Sustainable level will cost the tax payers, but it will be worth it in the end if we can keep just one Dodo colony at its current sustainable level.

I can just see Sarah Mclachlan cuddling up to a cave etching of a starving Dire Wolf pup.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Its not like the restaurants got together and said, this is a good idea, lets do it. The city councils are directing them to do it. Government taking time out of their busy days to legislate....straws...because......Turtles. Glad you're OK with that. Explains a lot

Glad to see that everything you learned in life you learned from GI Joe....explains even more.

Right and 50 years ago the textile companies in Connecticut dumped the dyes straight in the rivers and there was lead in gasoline. The companies didn't get together and say this is a bad idea, the government regulated it because it had negative impacts. The fact that your panties are in a bunch says more about you than the fact that I am ok with local governments having ordinances.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Right and 50 years ago the textile companies in Connecticut dumped the dyes straight in the rivers and there was lead in gasoline. The companies didn't get together and say this is a bad idea, the government regulated it because it had negative impacts. The fact that your panties are in a bunch says more about you than the fact that I am ok with local governments having ordinances.
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my panties arent in a bunch, I just think its one of the stupidest things I've seen in awhile.

on an I.Q. scale it falls between "Has to eat Oatmeal with a Straw" and 'Just Pull the Plug"

But, if your wish is to someday have the Government wipe your ass for you....enjoy

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/jumbo-...0-ct/155875.ip

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Dunno - persoanlly I think it should bre recycled and ground here and then reused.

How much of the world's mismanaged plastic originated from China?

But going with your premise - how far do you want to go back with the plastic? To the middle East as oil / petroleum products? Dinosaurs? This is a good point - let's ban Dinosaurs and other Prehistoric Flora and Fauna For Little Sally's straw ; )

It's a complex systems problem.

China has imported about 45% of the world’s plastic waste since 1992 for recycling, the study found.

In the U.S. alone, nearly 4,000 shipping containers full of plastic recyclables a day had been shipped to Chinese recycling plants.

An estimated 111 million metric tons of plastic waste will be displaced by 2030 as a result of China’s recent ban on the import of most plastic waste, according to new research.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ing/721879002/

Sounds like we've been "responsibly" exporting plastic to China for cheap disposal and what we get for our money is poor management which has a global impact.

Yes, banning straws isn't going to fix the problem but this is like the climate deniers who scoff at every mention to kill the debate ignoring that we still have a big issue to address.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Right and 50 years ago the textile companies in Connecticut dumped the dyes straight in the rivers and there was lead in gasoline. The companies didn't get together and say this is a bad idea, the government regulated it because it had negative impacts. The fact that your panties are in a bunch says more about you than the fact that I am ok with local governments having ordinances.
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Example of good regulation - add clean air to that as well.

But straws?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a complex systems problem.



Sounds like we've been "responsibly" exporting plastic to China for cheap disposal and what we get for our money is poor management which has a global impact.

Yes, banning straws isn't going to fix the problem but this is like the climate deniers who scoff at every mention to kill the debate ignoring that we still have a big issue to address.

We have existing laws that will reduce existing plastic polution. Having the PD pull over Billy Schmucaktelli and give him a fine when he tosses a Big Mack Combo out the window might be a good start.

Hopefully the judge does not dismiss it for cruel and unusual punishment like they do in so many instances.

Between the lack of enforcement and the lack of judicial sentencing there is little deterrence to the litterbug.

I'm pretty confident you do not litter, I know I don't and I'm pretty sure most (all?) people here don't.

[wdmso]

remember the Light bulb outrage

2010 Right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh cited promotion of eco-friendly light bulbs No Republican complicit in nannyism, statism, can be rewarded .”


Incandescent bulbs subject to strict efficiency standards

The effect will be to make current 100-watt bulbs obsolete — and that has sent conservative lawmakers, libertarians, some environmental activists and owners of Easy-Bake Ovens into a frenzy of activity to get the law repealed or, at least, to stockpile the bulbs before they disappear from store shelves.

Now the right and others are outrage about going back to paper Straws.... its bringing something back from the 50's you think they would be excited seeing they love Nostalgic policys

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

remember the Light bulb outrage

2010 Right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh cited promotion of eco-friendly light bulbs No Republican complicit in nannyism, statism, can be rewarded .”


Incandescent bulbs subject to strict efficiency standards

The effect will be to make current 100-watt bulbs obsolete — and that has sent conservative lawmakers, libertarians, some environmental activists and owners of Easy-Bake Ovens into a frenzy of activity to get the law repealed or, at least, to stockpile the bulbs before they disappear from store shelves.

Now the right and others are outrage about going back to paper Straws.... its bringing something back from the 50's you think they would be excited seeing they love Nostalgic policys

Go try to drink a Strawberry Fribble through a Paper Straw.

We'll wait ; )

(side note; Haven't had one in 30 years but dang it sounds good, no? )

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

my panties arent in a bunch, I just think its one of the stupidest things I've seen in awhile.

on an I.Q. scale it falls between "Has to eat Oatmeal with a Straw" and 'Just Pull the Plug"

But, if your wish is to someday have the Government wipe your ass for you....enjoy

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/jumbo-...0-ct/155875.ip

Stupidest just after print your own a.r. 15? I am not sure why you care what Seattle and cities in California do, but I imagine the Rush and Hannity types are getting their listeners lathered up.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

We have existing laws that will reduce existing plastic polution. Having the PD pull over Billy Schmucaktelli and give him a fine when he tosses a Big Mack Combo out the window might be a good start.

Not sure that's the point. It's the volume of plastics that are put into the system in general that's leading to the ocean volumes regardless of the entry point via trash, recycling mishandling, tsunami, fishing nets etc...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Go try to drink a Strawberry Fribble through a Paper Straw.

We'll wait ; )

(side note; Haven't had one in 30 years but dang it sounds good, no? )

Don't know what a strawberry Fribble is, but bet it has to melt a little before it works in a plastic straw. Something tells me drinking it out of a lid similar to a hot coffee lidvwill work just fine. Or buy stock in wheat straw, then you can make money at a lower tax rate than your regular job and you will help the farmers hammered by Tweety's tariffs who aren't covered by his pre-election bribes, I mean handouts, no subsidies it is . More manly to drink out of a real straw straw anyway.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure that's the point. It's the volume of plastics that are put into the system in general that's leading to the ocean volumes regardless of the entry point via trash, recycling mishandling, tsunami, fishing nets etc...

I think there is a great misunderstanding about the waste cycle. Into the trash often times doesn't equate to into the landfill for eternity. Anyway, if people in Seattle don't like it, they will vote out the council or bring their own straws. They won't need the government to wipe anything for them.
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[wdmso]

let bring this back a bit


Despite Strong Economy, Federal Deficit Soars


Corporate tax receipts are down for the year, while government spending is up. Even with a fast-growing economy, the Treasury Department expects to borrow more than $750 billion to pay its bills during the last six months of this year.

"The federal budget deficit is ballooning, skyrocketing, soaring, whichever way you want to describe it,"

"Let me be 100 percent clear about one thing: The tax cuts are never going to pay for themselves," said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. "They can grow the economy, but not enough to come anywhere close to offsetting the cost of them."

"Last time we had a recession, our debt was half the level it is today, relative to the economy,"


And all this is Good How ??? Trump has trump has scammed America His base see him as infallible believe him over facts ..

Its not Trump deranged syndrome thats the issue in America .. the issues is with his Base its called the stockholm syndrome..