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Old 08-13-2018, 10:04 AM   #31
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and in the process, gave them a soapbox that reaches millions.

I prefer they live in the dark little recesses and crevices of the world, never to be taken seriously or heard from. But the media has to drag them out for the world to see just so they can go 'See, See, We told you so.....Trump"

the idiocy is astounding.
The Trump effect has shown me exactly who my friends are who harbor racist/biggoted/hateful beliefs. I do t need a stupid staged white power party to tell me that there’s people out there who think there’s too much brown in their town.
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and in the process, gave them a soapbox that reaches millions.

I prefer they live in the dark little recesses and crevices of the world, never to be taken seriously or heard from. But the media has to drag them out for the world to see just so they can go 'See, See, We told you so.....Trump"

the idiocy is astounding.
Did you guys know that most wouldn't show up?

Do you forget what happened 1 year ago and w/the follow up?
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Did you guys know that most wouldn't show up?

Do you forget what happened 1 year ago and w/the follow up?
By follow up, do you mean the "Brown Guy" on the Boston Common that 40K+ people gathered together to call him a nazi?

Because that is part of the Idiocy that I'm referencing.

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The Trump effect has shown me exactly who my friends are who harbor racist/biggoted/hateful beliefs. I do t need a stupid staged white power party to tell me that there’s people out there who think there’s too much brown in their town.
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So are you saying that you never knew, or even had an inkling, that your friends were like that before Trump? I call BS on that one. Sorry, they couldn't have been that close to you, or you would have known.

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If I remember correctly last years event brought out thousands, people died and the President failed a no-brainer leadership moment...you can't expect them to stay in the dark little recesses when the President is stirring the same pot.
Yes it did, Yes they did, and Yes he did. And that was a big newsworthy event.

2 dozen marching on DC was a "Nothingburger" that should have been ignored. instead it was national news

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So are you saying that you never knew, or even had an inkling, that your friends were like that before Trump? I call BS on that one. Sorry, they couldn't have been that close to you, or you would have known.
well...Trump was never called a racist until he opposed a democrat in an election....that's all it really takes....it's political racism for the left, created in their heads to demean idealogical opponents...they are fully invested..."if you disagree then you must be"

oooh...there's a cool rhyme they can chant at their funny hat rallies
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So are you saying that you never knew, or even had an inkling, that your friends were like that before Trump? I call BS on that one. Sorry, they couldn't have been that close to you, or you would have known.
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well...Trump was never called a racist until he opposed a democrat in an election....that's all it really takes....it's political racism for the left, created in their heads to demean idealogical opponents...they are fully invested..."if you disagree then you must be"

oooh...there's a cool rhyme they can chant at their funny hat rallies
Maybe they can go with "If My Hat is Pink, My Opinions Stink"

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By follow up, do you mean the "Brown Guy" on the Boston Common that 40K+ people gathered together to call him a nazi?

Because that is part of the Idiocy that I'm referencing.
No, I mean President Trump refusing to specifically condemn a bunch of racists.

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well...Trump was never called a racist until he opposed a democrat in an election....that's all it really takes....it's political racism for the left, created in their heads to demean idealogical opponents...they are fully invested..."if you disagree then you must be"

oooh...there's a cool rhyme they can chant at their funny hat rallies
A little history for you of "the least racist person you know"
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...d-history-race

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2 dozen marching on DC was a "Nothingburger" that should have been ignored. instead it was national news
Somebody should have told the police they didn't need to show up.
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A little history for you of "the least racist person you know"
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I don't read your links
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Somebody should have told the police they didn't need to show up.
Well, Antifa still showed up, so......

I'm surprised CNN didn't run a headline that "Dozens of Police Show in Support" with pictures of them at the march. Might as well multi-task while they are at it.

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1973

Discrimination charge. Donald and Fred Trump are accused of violating the Fair Housing Act by discriminating against potential minority renters. They insist they are innocent and fight the sweeping charges.

1975

DOJ settlement. The Trumps settle with the Department of Justice over housing discrimination charges, agreeing to meet certain standards while not admitting any wrongdoing.

1978

Renewed discrimination charge. The Department of Justice accuses the Trumps of continuing to discriminate in spite of their settlement.

1983

Report: disproportionately white tenants. The New York Times reports that two Trump properties have populations that are 95 percent white.

1989

Central Park Five Ads. After five young men of color — known as The Central Park Five — are arrested for a brutal attack on a jogger, Donald Trump buys full-page newspaper ads stressing law and order and urging return of the the death penalty. He writes that white, black, Hispanic and Asian families have lost a sense of security in their neighborhoods. (The five men, who Trump called “crazed misfits,” were exonerated 13 years later.)

1990

Criticizes a whites-only club. Trump tells Vanity Fair he did not want to join a Palm Beach, Florida, club because it does not allow black or Jewish members.

1992

Trump hotel penalized for discrimination. A judge rules against the Trump Plaza Hotel in New Jersey, concluding the hotel discriminated in removing a African-American dealer from a table at the request of a wealthy player.

1993

“They don’t look like Indians to me,” Trump says during a Congressional hearing when talking about Native American casino officials, accusing them of working with organized crime. He adds that political correctness have given Native American status to some people who don’t “look like Indians.”

1995

Opens racially-inclusive club. Trump turns his Mar-a-Lago resort into a private club open to Jews, African-Americans and all races, breaking with many other local elite clubs in Palm Beach, Florida.

1996

Sued by 20 African-Americans. Twenty people from Indiana sue Trump, alleging he did not make good on promises to hire a large number of local minorities for his new casino.

FEB. 14, 2000

Calls David Duke a racist. In a “Today Show” interview, Trump calls David Duke a “bigot, a racist, a problem” and separately sends a statement to the New York Times, saying the Reform Party’s inclusion of Duke makes it a party he does not want to join.

OCT. 6, 2000

Secretly funds anti-Native American ads. Trump agrees to apologize and pay a fine for secretly financing sharp ads opposing a Native American gambling proposal. The ads included pictures of syringes and cocaine and asked “Are these the new neighbors we want?”

FEB. 10, 2011

First publicly doubts Obama. Trump tells conservative CPAC that President Barack Obama’s classmates never saw him at school. Politifact rated this statement “pants on fire.”

MARCH 23, 2011

Birtherism begins. Trump goes on “The View,” says that President Obama must show his birth certificate.

APRIL 21, 2011

Questions Obama’s place at Harvard. In an interview with the Associated Press, Trump questions how President Obama got into Columbia and Harvard. Later, he tells reporters Obama should “get off the basketball court.”

MAY 9, 2011

“I am the least racist person there is,” Trump says to FOX News, pointing to the fact that an African-American won “The Apprentice.”

APRIL 14, 2011

“I have a great relationship with the blacks,” Trump tells an Albany, New York radio show.

NOV. 1, 2011

Claims there are double standards when it comes to racism. In a YouTube video (now marked private), Trump accuses Jon Stewart of racism and says there is a double standard (Stewart seemed to use a voice imitating Herman Cain).

APRIL 24, 2013

Disputes innocence of The Central Park Five. Trump tweets that a documentary about the full exoneration of the five men of color in the Central Park jogger case is “one-sided” and didn’t explain their “horrific crimes.”

APRIL 24, 2013

Calls Jon Stewart by his Jewish birth name. Trump tweets that he’s smarter than “Jonathan Leibowitz – I mean Jon Stewart …”

JUNE 5, 2013

Repeats falsehoods on minorities and crime. During the ramp-up to George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin trial, Trump tweets that “the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our cities is committed by blacks and Hispanics.” This seems to come from a New York City report showing blacks and Hispanics were also the majority of crime victims. An FBI report disputes Trump’s claim nationally.

AUG. 5,

2013

Claims double-standard on “n—–”. On FOX News, Trump responds to Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel’s use of the word “cracker” for white people by saying there is unfair and greater backlash against Republicans who use “n—–” to describe black people.

JUNE 21, 2014

The Central Park Five settlement is a “disgrace,” Trump writes in an Op-Ed for the New York Daily News. He wrote that the five men falsely jailed were no “angels” and the city’s $40 million dollar settlement with them is a “heist.”

FEB. 25, 2015

Mexico “sending criminals.” Trump tweets that Mexico is corrupt and sends criminals over the U.S. border.

APRIL 28, 2015

“Thugs.” In midst of violent reaction to the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore, Trump tweets that “thugs” are happily and openly destroying the city.

JUNE 16, 2015

Mexico sending “rapists.” In the speech announcing his candidacy for president, Trump charges that Mexico is sending rapists and criminals to the U.S.

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I'm starting to see the point of why the press shouldn't have wasted the time to show up at a white nationalist neo-nazi march.

Wasn't there a college student whining about something somewhere they could cover so we could discuss that here?
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Wasn't there a college student whining about something somewhere they could cover so we could discuss that here?
Probably a Faux Something-ism or a Whatchama-phobe.

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well...Trump was never called a racist until he opposed a democrat in an election....
You mean not since he was sued in the 70's for housing discrimination? Or not since he became the champion of birtherism? Or not since the idiocy he promoted about the Central Park assault? Pretty sure those all predate him running for anything, but that's ok. It works for you.
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A little history for you of "the least racist person you know"
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...d-history-race
The vast majority of cases in your article are not racist. If you want to assume they are, that shows your predilection. The only one that comes close is the charge of "discrimination" against "potential" minority renters. Some of the entries are actually anti-racist.
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You mean not since he was sued in the 70's for housing discrimination?

Discrimination and racism are not the same thing.

Or not since he became the champion of birtherism?

Birtherism is not racism.

Or not since the idiocy he promoted about the Central Park assault? Pretty sure those all predate him running for anything, but that's ok. It works for you.
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Birtherism is not racism.
I'm a bit astounded you'd say something this dumb to be honest.
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[QUOTE=Pete F.;1148796]1973

I'm pretty confident that you don't read your links either...
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I'm pretty confident that you don't read your links either...
But incorrect, did you think I didn’t read it because it said something that could be construed as not racist?
I think he is a con man and will do whatever serves his interests with little concern for others, so if it benefits him it works in his worldview
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I do have a problem with the racist, anti-all-but-one type agenda put forth by the president, yes.

What agenda are you referring to as racist?

It is based mostly on lies and fear

Mostly? Whatever lies, or characterizations as lies, to which you refer, and whatever fear is supposedly invoked, those are standard fare in political agendas. Tools of the pernicious trade. I don't see Trump being more egregiously guilty of using those tools than were other run-of-the-mill Presidents.

It has emboldened many lousy segments of our country.

Political agendas tend to do that. Agendas to very generously help the poor encourage many to feel entitled, many to the point of being emboldened to seek forms of welfare rather than working, or to augment their income with government assistance rather than adding a part-time job, or to out and out cheat the system such as getting food stamps they don't need and selling them for profit.

Agendas to "invest" in education encourage many who aren't really college "material" to use government grants to waste the money and their time before dropping out, having lost the time they could have spent seeking employment suitable to their "skill sets."

Agendas that try to racially equalize incarceration and arrests, especially by criticizing law enforcement, embolden criminal elements and those who promote the notion of victimhood such as Black Lives Matter.

Agendas that weaken or attack our basically capitalistic economic system embolden groups like Wall Street Occupiers, or Antifa.

Agendas that weaken immigration enforcement embolden illegal immigrants.

Agendas that weaken parental control in raising children in favor of state regulation of child care and promote children's "rights" embolden children who have not yet experienced enough life and learning to "identify" as some preferable sexuality or gender.

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Everybody is not supposed to think like me, but luckily this forum isn't about everyone sharing how they feel and each of us patting each other on the back. Calling b.s. is what has been done for eons. I understand why a law and order person gets upset that the bigot aspect gets tied in to the discussion. The Republicans would have fixed the problem if it was just a law and order issue. They can't because their ranks are split and the law and order segment cant pass what is acceptable to them and the far right nuts will never get there agenda through. Stalemate. Some like to pretend the narrative is perpetually about racism, when racism isn't part of the story. It is part of the story.
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Is it part of the problem that when a city, like Detroit, which is overwhelmingly Black, fills the Council seats with Blacks? Fills the highest civil service positions with blacks? Is it a problem when a district is populated predominantly with Latinos that the elected politicians and board members are all Latino? Is it a problem when racial "minorities" dominate their turf and don't want to give up their domination?

Is it a problem when Asian countries or African countries, or Middle Eastern countries are dominated by their nominal races and strive to maintain that domination.

Or is it only a problem when "white" populations dominate their turf?

Where is that "part of the story" resolved the most? Can it ever be resolved? Which dominant race has ameliorated that part the most? When does that part cut both ways, or all ways?

My wife and I this past Sunday went to a Chautauqua community in Ohio. It was a great place to visit. A grand old 19th century hotel on the lake where we had a fabulous brunch and could see Lake Erie on the veranda. A beach where people swam and sunbathed and children frolicked, and off of which people boated and fished. It was a beautiful mix of mostly old and really old, but also newer architecture and expensive houses and lots of places to visit and shop. And this one is fairly "liberal." Our host was very Progressive. On the tour of the neighborhood, one of the houses had a sign in front which I had time, as we were driving by, to read only two of a list of politically correct things: "There is no illegal human being," and "Black Lives Matter." Do you know how many Blacks I saw boating, sunbathing, frolicking, shopping or just living there? ZERO.

What percentage of your population in that great Progressive North East is black?

I know, I know, you are not racists there. You are "liberal." You are Progressive. Skin color is not part of the problem with you. I'm not going to ask you the impertinent question, "how happy would you be if 80 to 90 percent of your population was black?" I know that you would resoundingly say that you would be perfectly happy. You are not racists. But what if the question were "How happy would you be if that 80 to 90 percent black population always voted for Republicans of the "conservative" stripe? Voted for all the things you think are stupid, foolish, and destructive of what you think made America great, destructive of your notion that the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be "interpreted" by personal opinion of what is good and right and voted for those who would appoint textual originalists?" And I certainly won't ask you if it would be a good and happy thing if your culture of "whiteness"--restaurants, movies, music, clothing styles, low crime rates, whatever, were replaced by a Detroit state of mind.

These are embarrassing questions. They can put people ill at ease. We like to think of ourselves as good people. We feel we harbor no ill will toward others who are different. We are egalitarian.

Are we really? Some white guys 250 years ago wrote a governing system that would create a country in which everyone is equal before the law. But they had no pretension that we are all equal in any other way.

Trying to achieve outcomes of equality in any other way besides before the law is not only destructive of that old governing system, it is destructive of actual individual rights and individual differences in favor of those ever conflicting group rights. That "part of the story," racism, is exacerbated, enlarged, and made impossible to solve at the collective or tribal level. We can far more easily live peacefully and productively together as individuals than we can as different tribes.

That old piece of paper, that never breathed a breath nor lived a life, but was always merely and fully law gives us the blueprint for the union of individuals, all equal before it, and under it, and abolishes the problem of race.

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That old piece of paper, that never breathed a breath nor lived a life, but was always merely and fully law gives us the blueprint for the union of individuals, all equal before it, and under it, and abolishes the problem of race.

Nowhere in the Constitution—or in the Declaration of Independence, for that matter—are human beings classified according to race, skin color, or ethnicity (nor, one should add, sex, religion, or any other of the left’s favored groupings). Our founding principles are colorblind (although our history, regrettably, has not been).

Do you honestly think the founders considered non whites or women when the wrote the constitution ... I say no why would they thats not how the world worked then ... to me this is the issue with originalist he U.S. Constitution is 229 years old the world changes but people still want a 299 year old interpretation in 2018
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That old piece of paper, that never breathed a breath nor lived a life, but was always merely and fully law gives us the blueprint for the union of individuals, all equal before it, and under it, and abolishes the problem of race.

It doesn't abolish race. It abolishes the problem of race before the law--only before the law. The crux of the Constitution, and of the founding, is INDIVIDUAL liberty. Not group rights

Nowhere in the Constitution—or in the Declaration of Independence, for that matter—are human beings classified according to race, skin color, or ethnicity (nor, one should add, sex, religion, or any other of the left’s favored groupings). Our founding principles are colorblind (although our history, regrettably, has not been).

Our founding rests on the principles in order to correct the foibles of history.

Do you honestly think the founders considered non whites or women when the wrote the constitution ... I say no why would they thats not how the world worked then ... to me this is the issue with originalist he U.S. Constitution is 229 years old the world changes but people still want a 299 year old interpretation in 2018
Our Founders considered individual liberty. They did not all have the same beliefs and convictions about societal norms. Being students of history, they understood that norms change. A contextual originalist does not adhere strictly to "intent." The Founders may have had different intents. But for whomever they intended their Constitution to apply, what matters to the textual originalist is the text and the original meaning of its words. Its principles of equality before the law and of individual freedom are derived from the Constitution's text today, or tommorow.

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Yes it did, Yes they did, and Yes he did. And that was a big newsworthy event.

2 dozen marching on DC was a "Nothingburger" that should have been ignored. instead it was national news
It's a news story that there are 24 white racists out there. We didn't know that until now? 24 people, whew, we better get cracking down on that movement Then Antifa showed up dressed like ninjas and started rioting.
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It's a news story that there are 24 white racists out there. We didn't know that until now? 24 people, whew, we better get cracking down on that movement Then Antifa showed up dressed like ninjas and started rioting.
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